I’ve always found it interesting, how Christians can sometimes fail to recognize a false teacher, yet often unbelievers show they realize when someone is not true to Christian doctrine better than many Christians.

So prior to the elections, one of the many pieces of tripe I watched off my DVR was the Saddleback Forum. Where Rick Warren had a sit down chat with the then 2 leading US Presidential candidates, John Sidney McCain, III and Barack Hussein Obama, Junior. Now in ancient Rome “citizens” who were not very poor could vote for Senators, but we have no record in scripture of the Apostles taking it upon themselves, to help any saint decide which Senator to vote for. (When speaking about ancient Rome, some who acknowledge historically saints chose to abstain from political involvement, often act as if nobody could have voted at all if they desired.) Oh, but we’re talking about Rick Warren, so of course scripture and church history mean nothing when this man can make a spotlight for himself. (And I’m not trying to tell anyone not to vote. I voted, although not for any of the Presidential candidates, I voted in other races. I’m just telling the honest truth, that we Christians today have spun a view of politics, that is not in agreement with the posture of many saints before us.) While I’m not against Christians making a choice to vote, I do have an issue with pastors who feel they must (or should) present publicans to the church. The only message the church should play host to is the Word of God, not politicians holding ear tickling sessions. So any pastor who “host” a session for his “church”, to indulge publicans, is to me a pastor that is not focused on the teaching and preaching of the Word of God. But I watched the Saddleback Forum and thought it was junk.

Well, before I had an opportunity to watch the Saddleback Forum, my brother in Christ and reader of this blog Remnant, told me to check out Michael Savage’s comments about the forum. I waited till after I viewed the Saddleback Forum in full and even till after the election, before I decided to listen to Michael Savage’s comments, which I had archived to listen to. (Yes I still record various talk radio programs from time to time.) Well it was interesting listening to Michael Savage’s comments about the Saddleback Forum. Because although Michael Savage is an unbeliever primarily concerned about immigration issues, his view of the forum, Rick Warren and the candidates was very much on point. It was how I felt, although my primary concern was the matter of this nation’s shedding of innocent blood via abortions and embryonic stem cell research. It was interesting to hear Michael Savage explain, that what Rick Warren puts up as Christianity is not really the gospel and actually an effort to twist and pervert the gospel.

So give Michael Savage’s take a listen.

Michael Savage on the Saddleback Forum, Rick Warren, McCain and Obama, recorded 8/18/2008 – MP3 Audio (Size: 1.38 MB)
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Related posts:

• False Christ Claiming Homosexuals Celebrate That Mega-Pastors Opened Doors and Ate With Them. Nevermind 1 Corinthians 5:11.
• Just More of Rick Warren Showing Why You Should Avoid Him.
• Rick Warren Tells Unbeliever Alan Colmes, Just ?Skip? the Parts of His Book That Focus on Salvation in Christ Alone. Is This How Christians are to Show Love to Unbelievers?
• What?s the Matter With Rick Warren? A Lot!
• Rick Warren Explains His Desire For the World. (Davos) This Time I?ll Let You Sound The Alarm.
• If You Are A Christian and Disagreed With Me About Rick Warren Before, I Doubt You?ll Continue Disagreeing With Me After Seeing This!
• Rick Warren, Robert Schuller, Leith Anderson, John Stott, and Others Sign a Pact With the Devil.
• The Formation of a New Baal Cult Continues.

The audio in the YouTube clip below is from 2001.

The video below is from this year.

Related post: How The First Thing Barack Hussein Obama, Junior Plans To Do As President Will Increase Deaths In America By Over 100,000 A Year.

Today we remember those who have served in America’s armed forces and honor those still serving.

A salute of honor to all who served.

OK, I’ve already mentioned I’m not voting for any of the Presidential candidates and all of them disinterest me so much, that I’ll be skipping that portion of the ballot.

I’ve reviewed the US State Senate candidates for my state (TN) and decided I don’t like any of them either. All of them (except one I’ll explain in the next paragraph) seem to compromise on the the value of human life. They all (except one who I won’t be voting for) approve of abortion in some cases for sake of convenience. I only find a necessity to consider abortion if the life of the mother is in danger, nothing more. Simply because if the mother dies, that puts the baby at risk too and no need in possibly having 2 dead people. In cases where there is no major risk of anybody naturally dying during pregnancy, I am totally against even thinking of abortion. I’ve mentioned, I don’t compromise on this any more. Lamar Alexander is the incumbent running in the US Senate race and he approves of experimentation on babies, also known as embryonic stem cell research. He’s also OK with babies being murdered if “conceived via rape or incest”. That is considered a 100% Pro-Life view, but I disagree. No baby should be given the death penalty just because they were conceived in an act of rape or incest. It’s not the baby’s fault and the baby should not face being murdered, when they are not the one harming anyone.

There is a Libertarian named Daniel Towers Lewis running for US Senate here in Tennessee. I can’t vote Libertarian, because Libertarians are just too easy on what they call “victimless crimes”. Sorry, but I don’t want dope dealers, pimps, Johns and hookers feeling they can have free reign over my community. But I mention Daniel Towers Lewis, because he has a very interesting take to how the abortion issue should best be addressed. Please take a quick read of his viewpoint on the matter. Also, Mr. Lewis has a take on the issue of government’s role in marriage, that is worth reading. (If this guy ever gets off the Libertarian bandwagon and tightens up on law enforcement a bit, I might seriously consider voting for him.)

I am voting for everything below the US Senate level, just skipping President and US Senate races on the ballot.

For US Congress, I’m voting for Eduardo Bryan ‘Ed’ Choate, Senior. If you’ve been reading enough posts on this blog to surprise me, you remember I mentioned I was very close to voting for Mr. Choate when he ran for US Senate. I think over the past couple years, I’ve come a bit more in agreement with Choate and I’m a little less fond of candidates who push that “states rights” is acceptable when it comes to the issue of abortion. I still don’t agree with Mr. Choate on everything, but I am more in agreement with him now than in the past. See Eduardo Bryan ‘Ed’ Choate, Senior’s position on the issues here.

Since Ed Choate ran for the US Senate in 2006, I’ve had an opportunity to speak with him directly via phone. We were able to have a good conversation about our faith and our view of politics. I had no idea when I moved to the Chattanooga area, that I was moving into his US Congressional district, but we were able to get in touch with each other. Honestly, I’m not very against the incumbent Mr. Choate is running against, Zach Wamp. Wamp will probably win and I won’t be very disappointed by that. (From what I’ve found, Mr. Wamp is against abortion and against so-called embryonic stem cell research.) But Choate is an Independent Pro-lifer. He does not owe any political party anything. Choate realizes America’s currency has no backing and that’s not a good thing. He understands that the USA would do better to cut ties with globalization groups like the United Nations. Ed knows America should use its resources instead of pandering to junk science. Also, Ed knows illegal aliens should not be coddled or given amnesty. And before any of you cry that I’m somehow being “harsh” to people from Latin America, because I don’t care to give illegals amnesty (as someone already said to me today), you better take a look at Ed’s biography .

I figured I’d document this somewhere before I forget the details. And I figure I’d some day want to mention this on the blog for some reason. So I figure I’ll just blog about it, because it was an interesting occurrence.

There’s a cult of Joseph Smith Junior (Mormon) building not very far from where I live. There are buildings for other cults and also church buildings near by, but I’ve been awaiting the day the Mormons here in this town come to my door. And today was the day. (It always seems to happen the day you’re least thinking about it though.) 2 female Mormon missionaries came to my door. I was really thinking 2 men would come, since I’ve usually had to deal with men they send out when living in other places, but I guess these local Mormons figured they’d try sending the women out. So these 2 rather cordial women were on my doorstep. Given 2 John 1:10-11, I never permit Mormon missionaries across my doorstep.

So there I was having to maintain my convictions with two women, when it would have been much easier to do with leaving two men on the doorstep. I know some folks let them inside for the talk, but I don’t. And it’s 50 degrees fahrenheit here today and windy! So this made their mission a little more impossible. Because not only was I unreceptive to their efforts to recruit me into their heretical fold, I had them doing it in the cold. (And hey, if they were near death or hurting I’d help them, but they were in good health and dressed warm, so leaving them on the doorstep didn’t really hurt them any at all.)

So they started talking about how they wanted to tell me about how “Jesus after being in Jerusalem came to America and shared what can be found in the Book of Mormon.” This basically left me with the angle of response regarding how:

• There is no evidence of such in the Bible. To which they responded that John 10:16 is supposedly biblical proof of Jesus coming to America. I informed them, that the other sheep were visited through the advancement of the Gospel to other parts of the world. They were sort of in agreement with that, but still felt Jesus came to America. I told them Jesus coming to America is not in the Bible, but the other details of what they promote invalidate their source. (See the next point below.)
• I informed them how Mormon writings have no foundation in historical fact. How the Bible has been vetted for historical accuracy and come up confirmed regarding Jesus, what He said and where He said it. While the Mormon writings have no historical basis like the Bible and biblical accounts are confirmed even by history and historical research.
• I told them how their talk of Lamanites (I mentioned the Lamanites, they didn’t know I knew about their claims regarding that) has no historical validation and no DNA for people today really confirms their claims. No money for the people they claimed lived in the northern Americas has been found, no weaponry related to the wars they claim occurred has been found. And so I looked at them after presenting evidence and said to them they are believing something that has no scientific validation at all, but the Bible is well verified. One of the ladies seemed a little shaky at this point (looking like she thought perhaps there’s something wrong with Mormonism), but the Mormons usually seem to send 2 people where 1 person is well brainwashed with another who is new to their game. So the well brainwashed one started speaking about how they totally believe all the made up nonsense.
• The well brainwashed one was saying during our discussion how they ask people to pray and come to know the truth. I told them I prayed and found the truth in the Bible. But I found their materials had no foundation in fact at all.
• The well brainwashed one (the other was totally silent once the very brainwashed one jumped in to try and run cover) tried to claim they believe what is in the Bible. I informed them they actually do not, because they’re speaking about things they claim Jesus did, that are not biblical.
• So then the well brainwashed one mentioned that she did not desire a prolonged debate and they were going to leave. I told them in closing, that speaking of a Jesus who they claim did things that He never really did is to actually speak of another Jesus, not the true Jesus of the Bible. That they need to stick to the Bible and dump the other materials. I informed them that their teachings really don’t acknowledge God in truth, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
• They said they would pray for me and asked me to pray for their ongoing missionary efforts. In response to their request I pray for their efforts, I told them NO, I would pray for them, but not for their efforts in regards to what they are trying to tell others that is unbiblical.
• They left and upon closing the door I wished I had been able to get into talk about the cover-up regarding the many, many wives of Joseph Smith Junior, but given things started with talk about a false Jesus who came in His physical body to America, I had to go with talking about that and was on that angle the entire time.
• I guess it would have been good to get into talk about salvation by grace through faith, but I was hoping to have more time before they’d run off.

So basically I found today, given the cold weather, when cultists come to my door, my time to engage them is going to be very limited. They’re not going to want to debate much in adverse weather. (Usually my doorstep talks with Mormons and Jehovah-less Witnesses can be rather lengthy, but those did take place in warmer weather.) Which is a given, but I’ll have to keep it in mind for future encounters, so I know to tell the truth and don’t be long winded about it when the weather is bad.

I just like to document these experiences, in case it somehow helps a fellow saint or even helps a person loss in the cult of Joseph Smith Junior to come to know the truth.

(No comments promoting the cult of Joseph Smith Junior will be posted, 2 John 1:10-11 goes for this blog too.)