December 5, 2009

Men of Depraved Mind and Deprived of the Truth, Who Suppose That Godliness is a Means of Gain. (Part 1)

by @ 10:53 pm. Filed under Nuts on Parade

A sister in Christ named CC, who also escaped the false prosperity doctrine that is promoted by Eddie Long forwarded me a copy of a sermon Fast Eddie seemed rather proud of. According to CC and the sermon transcript, Fast Eddie was so fond of his hack of a sermon, he “preached” it on a Sunday 12/4/2005 and then had the full sermon transcript handed out to those who attended the Wednesday night service show on 12/7/2005. (So we are around the 4 year anniversary of a moment Eddie Long was rather proud of.) He wanted to make sure everyone got a copy of this one! And so to show you how far deluded Eddie Long is, so that you know I’m not making it up when I warn you to avoid Eddie Long, I’ve included the full “sermon” transcript below. As CC informed me and you can see from some of the statements, this “sermon” was delivered with much attitude, an upset and angry attitude. So read it all in the links below. If you find it to be a “good” sermon, I encourage you to read the commentary further in this post, because you’re allowing a false teacher to exploit you.

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Eddie Long 12/4/2005 service transcript page 1.
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Now that you’ve read it, let’s review this wayward teaching and explain why it is wayward. To speak to every statement would require a book, so just certain statements will be reviewed in detail. But this “sermon” is SO BAD it’s really full of way more error than will be detailed below.

He begins with talk about people trying to figure out how to pay their bills. Starting the focus from sentence #1 on MONEY. And then he uses the following to assert he has support in scripture for his feeling that God wants to give you some money.

2 Corinthians 8. God wants to give you a gift today. I know it’s Christmas and everybody wants to give somebody something. Everybody look at me and I’ll tell you what it is. He wants to give you some money.

From the outset, the position is to hack a portion of a Pauline letter and claim the people listening to him can have God toss them cash like an ATM in the sky! Or as Fast Eddie plays it, access to wealth. What you’ll soon find, is that Fast Eddie skips over key verses in 2 Corinthians 8 during his “sermon”, in a manner that alters the Word of God into something heretical. God used the apostle Paul TO WARN THAT LIARS LIKE EDDIE LONG WOULD COME ALONG AND DO THIS!

(The following scipture was not part of Eddie Long’s message, for obvious reasons.)

1 Timothy 6:5 (New American Standard Bible)

5 and constant friction between men of depraved mind and deprived of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain.

The apostle Paul told poor debt slaves not to consider godliness as a means of gain, but Fast Eddie is asserting that God wants to give everyone who is listening to him money. There is a direct contradiction between what the apostle Paul was speaking about regarding money and what Eddie Long is promoting. Scripture being the final authority, this makes Eddie Long a liar and one who is best avoided.

Eddie continues, in speaking how he is going to break a cycle (of low money) and nothing is going to stop him from doing it.

Nothing is going to keep me from breaking this cycle and destroying it in the name of Jesus. When the Lord went into the temple and read in the book of Isaiah saying, “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me because he has anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor,” He became poor to make us rich.

I’m going to mention and talk about money-that makes you quiet and quenches your spirit, but if you want some, you’d better hear it. The majority of people around this nation are tormented by poverty, “It is the spirit of poverty,” it is a spiritual disease, not denominational, but generational curse: in the Baptist church in the Catholic church–it is all over.

Notice Eddie speaks about how he will break the cycle and nothing will stop him. Very self centered. Then he tacks on “the name of Jesus”, to give the appearance he’s acting for good. He’s lost the truth of Christ becoming poor for us to be rich. Eddie Long has made “gospel” synonymous with “money”. Jesus did not die on a cross for us to have some money, the Apostles remained hungry and homeless, 1 Corinthians 4:11. Again we see Eddie Long is preaching another gospel. Jesus warned against going after riches of this world and spoke of giving something better than money.

John 6:27 (New American Standard Bible)

27 “Do not work for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you, for on Him the Father, God, has set His seal.”

Eddie Long speaks of listening to him to get some money, while THE LORD JESUS CHRIST said don’t work for the food of this life, but work for the great gift He gives, eternal life. It should be obvious to those with ears to hear, that Eddie Long’s message is an antichrist message. The name “Jesus” is used as a prop, while the real worship is of money.

Eddie claims poverty is a spirit. So since the Apostles and Christ were hungry and homeless, Fast Eddie’s view leaves Christ and the Apostles looking like they were dominated by an evil spirit!

Also notice how Eddie Long speaks of Baptists and Roman Catholics in the same sentence, as if both are promoting the truth. Ignoring Roman Catholicism promotes false worship and acting like all everybody needs is some money.

Eddie then goes on to totally mangle Luke 6:38 and act as if it is the blueprint for material riches. Because while acting like saints should be focused on “the power to get wealth” in a material sense, his deluded mind can’t properly read scripture. But lets read that passage of scripture in full context, with some of the preceding verses, to ensure we clearly see what Jesus was talking about in verse 38.

Luke 6:27-38 (New American Standard Bible)

27 “But I say to you who hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you,

28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.

29 “Whoever hits you on the cheek, offer him the other also; and whoever takes away your coat, do not withhold your shirt from him either.

30 “Give to everyone who asks of you, and whoever takes away what is yours, do not demand it back.

31 “Treat others the same way you want them to treat you.

32 “If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them.

33 “If you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners do the same.

34 “If you lend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners in order to receive back the same amount.

35 “But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High; for He Himself is kind to ungrateful and evil men.

36 “Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.

37 “Do not judge, and you will not be judged; and do not condemn, and you will not be condemned; pardon, and you will be pardoned.

38 “Give, and it will be given to you. They will pour into your lap a good measure–pressed down, shaken together, and running over. For by your standard of measure it will be measured to you in return.”

Notice, verse 38 when read with the preceding verses is not about giving Eddie Long money. It’s not about giving any pastor money or even the chruch money in this particular verse. (Certainly we should give to a good church, but that’s not what this passage is about.) As verse 30 brings things into proper context, it’s about giving to everyone who ask and verse 27 plus the latter portion of verse 30 makes it more focused on being able to calmly endure when enemies take what is yours. This is a passage of scripture most saints spend a lifetime trying to carry out properly. But it’s certainly not about being an Eddie Long fanatic and giving him money with the assumption it will make you rich. Also, before verse 38, verse 37 speaks about not passing judgment and condemnation, giving pardons. So verse 38 is certainly not focused on money. Meaning, the return for doing as Jesus commanded and helping enemies, is a multiple in return of the kindness you show to people who are not already your friends. Notice, Eddie Long’s view of things is totally incompatible with what the verses are actually saying. This further proves not only that Eddie Long peddles a false gospel, but that listeners have to be doing home study, to ensure they won’t be misled. Ultimately, one has to pray that God guides them properly via the Holy Spirit when reading the Word of God, so you don’t misread like Fast Eddie. Because only by God’s grace will you get it right!

Eddie had already mentioned earlier that the offering had been held back so he could speak this. To ensure maximum funds in the offering plate. This is known as preaching the money out of people’s pockets. Playing on emotions, to try and up the take in the collection plate.

Here’s a statement from Eddie during this mess that he calls a great sermon:

If you don’t give and you’re broke later, then we’re going to give you a video-we ain’t gonna give you nothing

As in no money if you’re in need. Now look back up at Luke 6:27-38 and see how Eddie further proves he’s preaching another gospel, not the Gospel of the Lord Jesus.

The False Teacher Extrodinare goes on to proclaim:

If I ain’t preaching to nobody else, I’m giving myself an offering.

Given his lies, it’s a shame anyone else gave him anything. Notice he’s focused on himself.

Now here’s a big time heresy statement from Liar Long:

Giving releases the hand of God, gives permission (to God) to get involved in your finances.

Lord willing, you already see Eddie’s talk about money is bogus. But notice he’s speaking about a human giving God permission to do something. No man holds back the hand of God! This is an error of the highest order, to think God moves on permission from man. God lets rain fall on both the just and the unjust, Matthew 5:45. Plenty of evil people have plenty of material wealth. Those who are saved, really saved, did not “choose” God or give God any “permission” to save them. God chose them, as scripture verifies:

John 15:16 (New American Standard Bible)

16 “You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you.

We who are saved, simply responded to work God performed, He pricked our hearts, despite our own prior unwillingness to embrace Him, Romans 3:9-18.

And we don’t get anything in a material sense based off doing some work that grants God “permission”. All is as the Lord wills for HIS OWN good pleasure!

James 4:15 (New American Standard Bible)

15 Instead, you ought to say, “If the Lord wills, we will live and also do this or that.”

It is THE LORD who wills, not man. It is the Lord who reigns, no man has God on a leash like some earthly dog! It is God who permits, God who saves, God who gives, God who rules.

I would recommend anyone holding onto Arminianism aka “Free Will” doctrine, seriously consider giving it up and instead fully acknowledge the sovereignty of God in the affairs of otherwise fully depraved man.

(To be continued. Lord willing Part 2 is upcoming, to further analyze the so-called sermon.)

5 Responses to “Men of Depraved Mind and Deprived of the Truth, Who Suppose That Godliness is a Means of Gain. (Part 1)”

  1. speakingtruth Says:

    Well it’s about time you presented this thesis, brother – you’ve been working on it for almost a full year 🙂 !

    Seriously, you have (once again) exhaustively made the case that those who follow Eddie Long should RUN AS FAR AWAY AS THEY CAN AS FAST AS THEY CAN. You and I both sat under this hireling for a number of years, and we’ve seen the antagonists – from Neal Ellis to Paul Morton to Don Mears to TD Jakes and many, many more – come in to explain why they were going to rob us, rob us, then encourage Eddie to rob us even more…all of the guise of “you can’t get blessed unless you give to the mand of gawd first”.

    There’s a part 2 to this? Good grief – I need to rinse of all the muck after reading the 1st part. May God keep you brother…

  2. Lennie Says:

    This is what I find disturbing. I don’t know how many members he has, but let’s say it’s 10,000. Not even 5 out of 10,000 people have noticed something odd about a man who only talks about money and who really never preaches sermons? He prances around the stage in muscle tee shirts, showing off his biceps but where is the Word?

    Also, I heard him “testify” a chilling scene once. He talked about how when one of his wives divorced him, he planned out a murder-suicide. He was going to kill this woman for leaving him.

    He is so egocentric that it’s frightening.

    I partially blame his members for not using their own brain. You were once a part of that church but you had the good sense to get up out of there. Why won’t others?

  3. IndependentConservative Says:

    Way more than 5 eventually figure it out as the Lord wills, but the issue is “greed”. All of us who were duped had issues with greed. Sort of like people who fall for the Nigerian e-mail scams, but on a spiritual level.

    In a town like Atlanta, where everything is about moving upward, it’s very easy for false teachers like Eddie Long to operate.

  4. gmanigault Says:

    The giving must be way down for the ‘Bishop’ to resort to this heavyhanded reach into the pocket of the members. What never ceases to amaze me is how little Bible these so-called Dr.’s, Bishops, Apostles really comprehend.

    They lack any real ability to properly exegete the the text, or they deliberately distort the meaning of the text to suit their own ends.

    This is a horrible display of greed for filty lucre disguised as Bible preaching/teaching.

    Here is the crazy part, I bet folks gave mo, money, mo money, mo money, than they had prior to him putting this mess of a message out there!

    Somebody, tell the ‘Bishop’, the real God of the Bible, does NOT need our ‘permission’ for ANYTHING!!!!

  5. kimberlyknits Says:

    In light of what we’ve now learned about Eddie Long, it is no wonder that his fixation on the fleshly, earthly things of life have now become his downfall.

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