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		<title>By: stan</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/12/28/dominonism/comment-page-1/#comment-11747</link>
		<dc:creator>stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, IC. I forgot that ST had posted that laughable pic of Eddie Long with the sword.</description>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/12/28/dominonism/comment-page-1/#comment-11746</link>
		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good words Stan.

ST sure did find an interesting pick there with Eddie on his sword, scowl and all.  Certainly not a look of humility.</description>
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<p>ST sure did find an interesting pick there with Eddie on his sword, scowl and all.  Certainly not a look of humility.</p>
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		<title>By: stan</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/12/28/dominonism/comment-page-1/#comment-11745</link>
		<dc:creator>stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be a political/social/economic/media/entertainment/education influence, you need MONEY, MONEY, MONEY: You know, - the cash - the dough - the jack - the cabbage - the scratch - the wad - the bones - the plinkers - the chinkers - the iron men -  the blunt - the plaster - the (well, you get the idea).  Hence, the prosperity doctrine; the Great Transfer of Wealth decrees of the Extreme Prophets of the Third Wave! 

Yes, they&#039;re right about that: We would need effective control over all the world&#039;s resources to take it over.  Good ol&#039; Eddie Long will lead the Charge with that Sword he rests upon. That look of grim determination with which he scowls down his enemies in that photo you posted has got to be enough right there to send Goliath back to Gath whimpering like a dog. Ooh, what fun it would be to follow such a valiant warrior of the Lord as muscle-bound Bishop Eddie &gt;Long! (catch me, I&#039;m swooning).

Does he represent Jesus? What&#039;s the Word say? 

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Then the master of the house, being angry, said to his servant, &#039;Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in here the poor and the maimed and the lame and the blind.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; There&#039;s your true army, Eddie, if you care to read and repent. Drop the scowl, drop the sword, drop to your knees. The Lord will draw near to you if you do.

It is abundantly clear that the distribution of temporal benefits and privileges to believers by God today is not even at all. Most believers (from all time) are poor, persecuted, and denied luxuries, as befits the days of sanctification. Yet, some of us are well-off and/or privileged, no denying. Overall, though, no. It is as Paul says in 1 Cor 1 &lt;i&gt;For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called.&lt;/i&gt; James encourages the poor brethren that he is rich in faith and that the rich ones are to glory in their humility as they and their riches fade away like a summer flower.

As to our station here: from Peter, Moses, John, to name a few, we get these statements:  We are strangers and aliens in the earth, fleeing this corrupt generation. We are as Abraham who lived in Canaan without owning a square foot of it. John in 3 John 5-8 even praises those who went out for the Name without taking anything from the Gentiles. And that we should help such ministers in a Godly way. Should Eddie and his ilk be included in John&#039;s praise or support policy? Is Eddie fleeing this corrupt generation? Should he take possession of Canaan contrary to Abraham, who would not even keep a dime from the King of Sodom&#039;s spoil that &lt;i&gt;he, Abraham&lt;/i&gt; won back for him? 

Dominionists make the mistake of taking the promises that belong to the days of glorification that will come in the resurrection and they arrogantly apply to themselves in these days of sanctification. Yes, these days are much different and much more humble than we care to like or admit. In them, we are under discipline as it suits the Lord for the sake of our souls and eternal reward. We are as David, who was humbled for years, hiding in the caves, until his time came to take the throne. 

Abraham is waiting for another City - another Time. So should we. We&#039;ll take over the world at the right time, and it&#039;s not now, not before the Lord&#039;s personal, physical return. The Great Transfer of Wealth will take place then. It will be as the other transfers of wealth in the Bible, the spoils of a great war; Armageddon, at the very end of this age. The kingdoms, the nations, the societies, the economics, the media, the entertainment, the education system will be ours then. Until then, let us be occupied with our callings and fulfill them, so as to be rewarded by Jesus at His appearance. Then, and only then, will the crowns be ours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be a political/social/economic/media/entertainment/education influence, you need MONEY, MONEY, MONEY: You know, &#8211; the cash &#8211; the dough &#8211; the jack &#8211; the cabbage &#8211; the scratch &#8211; the wad &#8211; the bones &#8211; the plinkers &#8211; the chinkers &#8211; the iron men &#8211;  the blunt &#8211; the plaster &#8211; the (well, you get the idea).  Hence, the prosperity doctrine; the Great Transfer of Wealth decrees of the Extreme Prophets of the Third Wave! </p>
<p>Yes, they&#8217;re right about that: We would need effective control over all the world&#8217;s resources to take it over.  Good ol&#8217; Eddie Long will lead the Charge with that Sword he rests upon. That look of grim determination with which he scowls down his enemies in that photo you posted has got to be enough right there to send Goliath back to Gath whimpering like a dog. Ooh, what fun it would be to follow such a valiant warrior of the Lord as muscle-bound Bishop Eddie &gt;Long! (catch me, I&#8217;m swooning).</p>
<p>Does he represent Jesus? What&#8217;s the Word say? </p>
<p><i>&#8220;Then the master of the house, being angry, said to his servant, &#8216;Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in here the poor and the maimed and the lame and the blind.&#8221;</i> There&#8217;s your true army, Eddie, if you care to read and repent. Drop the scowl, drop the sword, drop to your knees. The Lord will draw near to you if you do.</p>
<p>It is abundantly clear that the distribution of temporal benefits and privileges to believers by God today is not even at all. Most believers (from all time) are poor, persecuted, and denied luxuries, as befits the days of sanctification. Yet, some of us are well-off and/or privileged, no denying. Overall, though, no. It is as Paul says in 1 Cor 1 <i>For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called.</i> James encourages the poor brethren that he is rich in faith and that the rich ones are to glory in their humility as they and their riches fade away like a summer flower.</p>
<p>As to our station here: from Peter, Moses, John, to name a few, we get these statements:  We are strangers and aliens in the earth, fleeing this corrupt generation. We are as Abraham who lived in Canaan without owning a square foot of it. John in 3 John 5-8 even praises those who went out for the Name without taking anything from the Gentiles. And that we should help such ministers in a Godly way. Should Eddie and his ilk be included in John&#8217;s praise or support policy? Is Eddie fleeing this corrupt generation? Should he take possession of Canaan contrary to Abraham, who would not even keep a dime from the King of Sodom&#8217;s spoil that <i>he, Abraham</i> won back for him? </p>
<p>Dominionists make the mistake of taking the promises that belong to the days of glorification that will come in the resurrection and they arrogantly apply to themselves in these days of sanctification. Yes, these days are much different and much more humble than we care to like or admit. In them, we are under discipline as it suits the Lord for the sake of our souls and eternal reward. We are as David, who was humbled for years, hiding in the caves, until his time came to take the throne. </p>
<p>Abraham is waiting for another City &#8211; another Time. So should we. We&#8217;ll take over the world at the right time, and it&#8217;s not now, not before the Lord&#8217;s personal, physical return. The Great Transfer of Wealth will take place then. It will be as the other transfers of wealth in the Bible, the spoils of a great war; Armageddon, at the very end of this age. The kingdoms, the nations, the societies, the economics, the media, the entertainment, the education system will be ours then. Until then, let us be occupied with our callings and fulfill them, so as to be rewarded by Jesus at His appearance. Then, and only then, will the crowns be ours.</p>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/12/28/dominonism/comment-page-1/#comment-11743</link>
		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
I remember even walking around the Georgia State Capital 7 times - then â€œshoutingâ€ on the 7th time so that the walls of government would come down :roll:
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Shamefully I admit I also participated in one of Long&#039;s calls to walk around the GA State Capitol building 7 times.  &quot;Claiming&quot; dominion over the government of man for ourselves.  Gladly I praise God through Jesus Christ that I&#039;m no longer caught up into that ungodly mess.</description>
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I remember even walking around the Georgia State Capital 7 times &#8211; then â€œshoutingâ€ on the 7th time so that the walls of government would come down <img src='http://www.independentconservative.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif' alt=':roll:' class='wp-smiley' />
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<p>Shamefully I admit I also participated in one of Long&#8217;s calls to walk around the GA State Capitol building 7 times.  &#8220;Claiming&#8221; dominion over the government of man for ourselves.  Gladly I praise God through Jesus Christ that I&#8217;m no longer caught up into that ungodly mess.</p>
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		<title>By: stan</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/12/28/dominonism/comment-page-1/#comment-11742</link>
		<dc:creator>stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 20:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, as you say, concerning politicians. The only time the disciples dealt with them was to share the gospel as with Sergius Paulus of Cyprus, who called the apostles &lt;i&gt;to hear the word of God.&lt;/i&gt; The apostles did not call on him to enact some favorable civil policy on behalf of the local righteous. Or to King Agrippa, whom Paul would have had no dealings if it were not for his protective imprisonment. Jesus only met with Pilate at His trial, not before to get favorable treatment for the Jews from Rome. Nor did Jesus send His disciples out on their Matthew 10 missions to incite a grass-roots movement to get Rome overthrown so as to &quot;bring in the righteous&quot; to power. 

When the Holy Spirit sent forth Barnabas and Paul it was not on a Dominion campaign. 

Neither Jesus nor the apostles advocated a church-wide policy to overtake local governments and society. 

Dominionism is such a garbage delusion. It feeds the pride of life in the Eddie Longs and Dutch Sheetes and Cindy Jacobs, et al. of this modern world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, as you say, concerning politicians. The only time the disciples dealt with them was to share the gospel as with Sergius Paulus of Cyprus, who called the apostles <i>to hear the word of God.</i> The apostles did not call on him to enact some favorable civil policy on behalf of the local righteous. Or to King Agrippa, whom Paul would have had no dealings if it were not for his protective imprisonment. Jesus only met with Pilate at His trial, not before to get favorable treatment for the Jews from Rome. Nor did Jesus send His disciples out on their Matthew 10 missions to incite a grass-roots movement to get Rome overthrown so as to &#8220;bring in the righteous&#8221; to power. </p>
<p>When the Holy Spirit sent forth Barnabas and Paul it was not on a Dominion campaign. </p>
<p>Neither Jesus nor the apostles advocated a church-wide policy to overtake local governments and society. </p>
<p>Dominionism is such a garbage delusion. It feeds the pride of life in the Eddie Longs and Dutch Sheetes and Cindy Jacobs, et al. of this modern world.</p>
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		<title>By: speakingtruth</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/12/28/dominonism/comment-page-1/#comment-11741</link>
		<dc:creator>speakingtruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post, brother. Like you, when I was a regular member of Club New Birth, I spouted all of Eddie&#039;s heresy&#039;s myself &lt;em&gt;(&quot;we&#039;re not here to take sides, we&#039;re here to take over!&quot;&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;&quot;we will take over every aspect of government - if anyone is running for &lt;b&gt;any national office, they have to come to New Birth first!&quot;&lt;/b&gt;)&lt;/em&gt;. I remember even walking around the Georgia State Capital &lt;b&gt;7 times - then &quot;shouting&quot; on the 7th time&lt;/b&gt; so that the walls of government would come down :roll:

And just to make sure that I remained an obedient drone to false bishop Eddie Lee Long, I made sure I bought all of the required reading books - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.borders.com/online/store/TitleDetail?sku=0884194841&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;including his heretical mess demanding that we overthrow government&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank God through Jesus Christ that He allowed the cloud of delusion to be lifted for a moment - long enough to flee Pimp Eddie and his &quot;son&quot; Andre Landers. 

Many who are reading this article bought Eddie&#039;s garbage books and embraced this heretical teaching - I pray that they repent as well and return to God the Father</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post, brother. Like you, when I was a regular member of Club New Birth, I spouted all of Eddie&#8217;s heresy&#8217;s myself <em>(&#8220;we&#8217;re not here to take sides, we&#8217;re here to take over!&#8221;</em> and <em>&#8220;we will take over every aspect of government &#8211; if anyone is running for <b>any national office, they have to come to New Birth first!&#8221;</b>)</em>. I remember even walking around the Georgia State Capital <b>7 times &#8211; then &#8220;shouting&#8221; on the 7th time</b> so that the walls of government would come down <img src='http://www.independentconservative.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif' alt=':roll:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And just to make sure that I remained an obedient drone to false bishop Eddie Lee Long, I made sure I bought all of the required reading books &#8211; <a href="http://www.borders.com/online/store/TitleDetail?sku=0884194841" rel="nofollow">including his heretical mess demanding that we overthrow government</a>.</p>
<p>Thank God through Jesus Christ that He allowed the cloud of delusion to be lifted for a moment &#8211; long enough to flee Pimp Eddie and his &#8220;son&#8221; Andre Landers. </p>
<p>Many who are reading this article bought Eddie&#8217;s garbage books and embraced this heretical teaching &#8211; I pray that they repent as well and return to God the Father</p>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/12/28/dominonism/comment-page-1/#comment-11740</link>
		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well we don&#039;t have examples of the Apostles going out of their way to be &#039;in&#039; with politicians of their time.  The only time Apostles spoke with publicans was when the publicans brought an Apostle up on charges for their preaching the Gospel.  And given they were the ones who walked with Jesus, if dominonism had any merit, they certainly would have ruled nations.

But you&#039;re correct Stan, there is a hacking and twisting of scripture being done today, to satisfy the desires of men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well we don&#8217;t have examples of the Apostles going out of their way to be &#8216;in&#8217; with politicians of their time.  The only time Apostles spoke with publicans was when the publicans brought an Apostle up on charges for their preaching the Gospel.  And given they were the ones who walked with Jesus, if dominonism had any merit, they certainly would have ruled nations.</p>
<p>But you&#8217;re correct Stan, there is a hacking and twisting of scripture being done today, to satisfy the desires of men.</p>
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		<title>By: stan</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/12/28/dominonism/comment-page-1/#comment-11739</link>
		<dc:creator>stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;And again, the question must be asked by true Christians, why didn&#039;t the Apostles just take over places they went? Instead they went places and were greatly abused, while not crying over abuse from the world, they rather took issue with saints allowing abuse from people who claim to be within the church.&lt;/i&gt;

That is how you know that such doctrines as dominionism are not for the church in this age - Neither Jesus or His apostles practiced or endorsed the takeover of societies at this time.

Thanks for pointing out this crucial interpretative principle:&lt;b&gt;existence of precedent.&lt;/b&gt;

Interpreting statements in Scripture a certain way without the existence of corresponding examples, shows that you have exegeted it improperly, no matter how impassioned the presentation. What sells bad doctrines to the unsuspecting/deceived crowds are dramatic supporting &quot;testimonies.&quot; They are accepted at face value by the hearers, who are taught by pastoral modeling to ignore the protective command in 1 Thess. 5:21. &quot;examine everything carefully (then) hold fast to that which is good. (my parentheses).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And again, the question must be asked by true Christians, why didn&#8217;t the Apostles just take over places they went? Instead they went places and were greatly abused, while not crying over abuse from the world, they rather took issue with saints allowing abuse from people who claim to be within the church.</i></p>
<p>That is how you know that such doctrines as dominionism are not for the church in this age &#8211; Neither Jesus or His apostles practiced or endorsed the takeover of societies at this time.</p>
<p>Thanks for pointing out this crucial interpretative principle:<b>existence of precedent.</b></p>
<p>Interpreting statements in Scripture a certain way without the existence of corresponding examples, shows that you have exegeted it improperly, no matter how impassioned the presentation. What sells bad doctrines to the unsuspecting/deceived crowds are dramatic supporting &#8220;testimonies.&#8221; They are accepted at face value by the hearers, who are taught by pastoral modeling to ignore the protective command in 1 Thess. 5:21. &#8220;examine everything carefully (then) hold fast to that which is good. (my parentheses).</p>
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