Comments on: The Jan Crouch Grocery Money Audio.

By: IndependentConservative

IndependentConservative — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:56:34 +0000

I've got to add something here. Regarding 1 John 5:14-21, the "sin leading to death", which John is speaking of is not idolatry, but full out blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, the same sin Christ said will not be forgiven, Mark 3:28-30. So it is good for saints to pray for even the TBN deluded, unless one of them goes from claiming that they believe in Jesus, to outright claiming Jesus is unclean.

By: IndependentConservative

IndependentConservative — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:59:38 +0000

Wow.

By: truthis

truthis — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:51:48 +0000

Jesus is real! All I know is people should be careful. I remember when this lady who worked as a financial officer for them warned me don’t give your money because if you see what they do with that money. hm! I did not believe her until an employee said he got his new crib laid out with stuff they threw away–like the new coffee maker-the curtains that she did not like. Yeah people gave their grocery money in the past and they bought products brand new and threw them away.

By: IndependentConservative

IndependentConservative — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:39:49 +0000

Well I don’t doubt she did it given the rotten fruit she’s shown. But we don’t have to worry about our not having that video. Because the Lord has that and her other mess on record and if she never repents, she’ll face worse than anything public humiliation could bring.

It’s a shame when a network is so full of heresy, that you could watch any given night and the heresy is unending.

By: Airbrush Artist

Airbrush Artist — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:28:30 +0000

This Video Should always Be shown,This Woman is a testimony Of This Money Cult,but She in earlier days has even surpassed this Ridiculous False representation of Our Lords earthly Ministry on a different Video,Many years back during a TBN Telethon. I can never forget when They did the Telethons with a false prophet in different Sections of the Country,they made it a competition for the different Regions represented ,too see who would give the Most Money ,In Her particular Section She was representing She was On the cameras with a Up close Shot of Her With Gobs of cash Money in her hands Pleading for People to send theirs in.if I’m not mistaken it was Play Money I wish We could find the Tape It was the worst on TV example of Fleecing those who would be deceived I Have ever Seen.It was in the early years of these Sickening Telethons

By: IndependentConservative

IndependentConservative — Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:20:29 +0000

Do you think that it was the prayers of love ones or just Gods doing, in the right season?

I think God predestinated both, that they would pray and that He would pull me from that slime.

By: rascoe1

rascoe1 — Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:57:46 +0000

Now IC, this is someting that just occured to me and I am wondering. Do you think that it was the prayers of love ones or just Gods doing, in the right season? For myself, outside of my daughter, there is really no one, that I can say, that have even a limited knowledge of the truth, (I am contending with them and praying for them). My mother who loves me and pray for me is Roman Catholic, my other family members are either living sinful lives or into the prosperity cults and my friends are all into the same name it and claim it cult. So my thought, is Gods grace, for me. Another thought that I just had is, the prayers of the righteous saints of God.

You know IC, just commenting on this makes me see how really important it is to pray for Gods elect. Thanks my brother.

By: IndependentConservative

IndependentConservative — Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:19:10 +0000

rascoe1, first let me say you've made an exceptional citation in scripture regarding the discussion. And you are right, that there is not real obligation to pray for these apostates who try to use the Gospel for personal gain and devour the homes of the poor. Chasing their money idol. Greed is idolatry to money, Colossians 3:5 and Ephesians 5:5. I guess my praying for them comes from considering Matthew 5:44 and how although he was being stoned, Stephen prayed for those stoning him, Acts 7:59-60. Which shows even after Jesus prayed for those putting Him to death, Luke 23:34, saints continued the practice. After Jesus died, one who was involved in the crucifixion came to know He really is the Son of God, Mark 15:39. And we know after Stephen's stoning, that Paul was later called to the Lord. So those with the least reason to pray for those who were enemies of the cross prayed for them anyway. And those enemies were not people who had claimed to be Christians, I understand that fully. But I know even when I was endorsing the prosperity heresy and focused on the money idol, somebody prayed for me. Not that they had any obligation to do so, but they did. They prayed, they exhorted, they certainly would not fellowship with me, they also didn't try hanging with me as a personal friend, but they did keep letting me know I was on a bad road. The Lord helped me out of that mess. So I guess my real point was that someone in it might be called to truth, but no we're not obligated to pray for them once they claim the Lord and go chasing money.

By: rascoe1

rascoe1 — Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:00:49 +0000

IC, I was just reading some earlier comments between yourself and 456charlie re praying for these false teachers. What is your take on it from 1 John 5:14-21 perspective. My understanding is that we are not required to pray for people who have committed a sin that leads to death, ie idolatry. I really see the Health & Wealth Gospel as a form of idolatry, what do you think.

By: ncatina

ncatina — Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:37:29 +0000

This is an example of a ghoul incarnate in every sense of the word. Simply ridiculous, and just in time for Halloween…good timing, IC.