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	<title>Comments on: Agony Of The Health &amp; Wealth Gospel &#8211; Part 4.  The Evil Man In Your TV!</title>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/10/24/agony-of-the-health-wealth-gospel-part-4-the-evil-man-in-your-tv/comment-page-1/#comment-11499</link>
		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 21:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the story of the King of Tyre is a big time wake up call.

I think you are correct, to mention the issue with trying to use &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=gen%203:5;&amp;version=49;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Genesis 3:5&lt;/a&gt; apart from its full and true context of the statement made.  I have been wondering why they go there, when the message to the king of Babylon in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=29&amp;chapter=14&amp;version=49&amp;context=chapter&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Isaiah 14&lt;/a&gt; is so much more fitting.  Verses 13-15 in particular.  That&#039;s also what &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/01/08/lds_false_god/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I reference when refuting Mormonism.&lt;/a&gt;  It all relates to Satan&#039;s plan with the Antichrist in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20thes%202&amp;version=49&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;2 Thessalonians 2&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the story of the King of Tyre is a big time wake up call.</p>
<p>I think you are correct, to mention the issue with trying to use <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=gen%203:5;&#038;version=49;" rel="nofollow">Genesis 3:5</a> apart from its full and true context of the statement made.  I have been wondering why they go there, when the message to the king of Babylon in <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=29&#038;chapter=14&#038;version=49&#038;context=chapter" rel="nofollow">Isaiah 14</a> is so much more fitting.  Verses 13-15 in particular.  That&#8217;s also what <a href="http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/01/08/lds_false_god/" rel="nofollow">I reference when refuting Mormonism.</a>  It all relates to Satan&#8217;s plan with the Antichrist in <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20thes%202&#038;version=49" rel="nofollow">2 Thessalonians 2</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: stan</title>
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		<dc:creator>stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 19:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Men obviously are not divine as heretics assert. If we were divine no one would have to tell us that. So no need exists to &quot;awaken it&quot; through teaching. It would be evident from birth to everyone. The fact that any one would teach it shows how preposterous the doctrine really is. God&#039;s mocking of the King of Tyre who claimed to be a god in Ezekiel 28:1-10 is plenty revealing and cautionary for all such blind arrogance. It serves as one of the clearest quotes of God denying human divinity. It is a much better source than what the serpent said to Eve.

Although I agree with the position in the videos, why use a verse not quite suited to it? This method always bothers me. It&#039;s like the &quot;thief who comes&quot; in John 10:10 being used about the devil when it&#039;s really about false shepherds. In the same way, Genesis 3:5 is not good to refute the heresy of us being gods. 

For, as much as I agree with the brothers who presented their refutation so well in this video, the serpent was subtly misquoted by them (also by nearly everyone else I&#039;ve ever heard on this side of the issue). In the interest of examining  the false teaching in question carefully, please let us be complete and accurate when quoting the Bible Texts. The Serpent did not say &quot;ye shall be as gods&quot; exactly (or God, depending on the translation). There is no period after the word &quot;god&quot; in Genesis 3:5 as he shows about minute 8 of the video. 

I am not suggesting the serpent did not lie, but rather what exactly was his lie? &quot;That they would not die.&quot; And, what did he say to strengthen the lie? &quot;That they would be as God, knowing good and evil.&quot; This last part, &quot;knowing good and evil&quot; is always left off in these arguments as if it had little to no meaning. But, these words qualify the statement &quot;You shall be like God&quot; and therefore make a different point than the one being refuted in the videos. 

Stopping the serpent&#039;s sentence after the word &quot;god&quot; obscures the important fact that he actually said the same thing about being like God in verse 5 that God Himself said later in verse 22. 

It&#039;s easy to compare.
Serpent: &lt;i&gt;&quot;and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; v.5
LORD God: &lt;i&gt;&quot;the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; v. 22

So, they both state the same thing about the man, that he has become like God; but, only in one very limited sense - to know good and evil. The serpent&#039;s statement had nothing to do with man acquiring godhood with its divine attributes such as &quot;creating with words&quot; like God has. Even the woman considered the tree for its wisdom, not for any other quality. So, the serpent&#039;s seduction was not about becoming divine, but only about having God&#039;s knowledge of good and evil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Men obviously are not divine as heretics assert. If we were divine no one would have to tell us that. So no need exists to &#8220;awaken it&#8221; through teaching. It would be evident from birth to everyone. The fact that any one would teach it shows how preposterous the doctrine really is. God&#8217;s mocking of the King of Tyre who claimed to be a god in Ezekiel 28:1-10 is plenty revealing and cautionary for all such blind arrogance. It serves as one of the clearest quotes of God denying human divinity. It is a much better source than what the serpent said to Eve.</p>
<p>Although I agree with the position in the videos, why use a verse not quite suited to it? This method always bothers me. It&#8217;s like the &#8220;thief who comes&#8221; in John 10:10 being used about the devil when it&#8217;s really about false shepherds. In the same way, Genesis 3:5 is not good to refute the heresy of us being gods. </p>
<p>For, as much as I agree with the brothers who presented their refutation so well in this video, the serpent was subtly misquoted by them (also by nearly everyone else I&#8217;ve ever heard on this side of the issue). In the interest of examining  the false teaching in question carefully, please let us be complete and accurate when quoting the Bible Texts. The Serpent did not say &#8220;ye shall be as gods&#8221; exactly (or God, depending on the translation). There is no period after the word &#8220;god&#8221; in Genesis 3:5 as he shows about minute 8 of the video. </p>
<p>I am not suggesting the serpent did not lie, but rather what exactly was his lie? &#8220;That they would not die.&#8221; And, what did he say to strengthen the lie? &#8220;That they would be as God, knowing good and evil.&#8221; This last part, &#8220;knowing good and evil&#8221; is always left off in these arguments as if it had little to no meaning. But, these words qualify the statement &#8220;You shall be like God&#8221; and therefore make a different point than the one being refuted in the videos. </p>
<p>Stopping the serpent&#8217;s sentence after the word &#8220;god&#8221; obscures the important fact that he actually said the same thing about being like God in verse 5 that God Himself said later in verse 22. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy to compare.<br />
Serpent: <i>&#8220;and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.&#8221;</i> v.5<br />
LORD God: <i>&#8220;the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil.&#8221;</i> v. 22</p>
<p>So, they both state the same thing about the man, that he has become like God; but, only in one very limited sense &#8211; to know good and evil. The serpent&#8217;s statement had nothing to do with man acquiring godhood with its divine attributes such as &#8220;creating with words&#8221; like God has. Even the woman considered the tree for its wisdom, not for any other quality. So, the serpent&#8217;s seduction was not about becoming divine, but only about having God&#8217;s knowledge of good and evil.</p>
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