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		<title>By: VanceR</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/09/29/the-bailout-this-thing-is-just-terrible/comment-page-1/#comment-11720</link>
		<dc:creator>VanceR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 02:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, There hasn&#039;t been a free market in this country since the late 1800&#039;s.  With central banking comes central planning which is one of the planks of Communism by the way.  One of the biggest ironies of the past 20 years or so is that this country has become socialistic while purporting to under the influence of conservatism.  Go Figure..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, There hasn&#8217;t been a free market in this country since the late 1800&#8217;s.  With central banking comes central planning which is one of the planks of Communism by the way.  One of the biggest ironies of the past 20 years or so is that this country has become socialistic while purporting to under the influence of conservatism.  Go Figure..</p>
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		<title>By: stan</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/09/29/the-bailout-this-thing-is-just-terrible/comment-page-1/#comment-11391</link>
		<dc:creator>stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 03:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There has to be something said for the individuals who knew up front that they could not afford a home they were attempting to buy. They were willingly participating in the fraud that the banks were fronting, all on the premise that the government (taxpayers) would back the loan anyway. Their name was Legion, for they were many.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There has to be something said for the individuals who knew up front that they could not afford a home they were attempting to buy. They were willingly participating in the fraud that the banks were fronting, all on the premise that the government (taxpayers) would back the loan anyway. Their name was Legion, for they were many.</p>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/09/29/the-bailout-this-thing-is-just-terrible/comment-page-1/#comment-11390</link>
		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 03:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you asking do I feel America should fully apply the free market theory and allow companies and banks to charge any rate they desire at any time for anything?  I do not feel that should be done.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/03/24/usury_credit_cards/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I&#039;ve made it known, I&#039;d prefer that the line once held&lt;/a&gt;, that kept credit card companies from going crazy with their product had been maintained.  I&#039;m not promoting a government &quot;ban&quot; against any charging of interest, but I do feel it would have been better for governments &lt;em&gt;(in the case of credit cards it was certain state governments)&lt;/em&gt; to hold the line on banks charging too much interest.  

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/09/25/its-not-illegal-just-unethical/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I&#039;ve also made it known&lt;/a&gt;, I don&#039;t like seeing people pressed to take money they can&#039;t really afford.  I don&#039;t feel government would ever be able to &quot;ban&quot; that sort of thing and &lt;b&gt;I&#039;m not seeking for them to.&lt;/b&gt;  If tighter controls on the amount of interest that could be charged were in place like in times past, this sort of thing would never be going on to begin with.

I&#039;m also against collusion in price fixing, that&#039;s fraud and not an open market system.

But I draw the line with what I&#039;ve noted above.  I think there should be tight controls against charging high interest rates, against fraud and that&#039;s about it.  I do feel what&#039;s left &quot;free&quot; beyond that will work it&#039;s self out.

I do feel the full &quot;free market theory&quot; does work, but I don&#039;t feel it&#039;s application to the fullest extent would be wise.

I consider myself a person who favors free markets, but I do make it known I say that with certain controls, so my view of it is not really the fullest pure definition of &quot;free market&quot;.  

&lt;b&gt;Now with everything I&#039;ve said above, I&#039;m speaking about markets within America only.&lt;/b&gt;  I&#039;m not at all for full international free market action.  I think that has to be well controlled and I&#039;m no fan of many international trade agreements America has setup.

Regarding this issue with the banks, I do feel they need to be allowed to freely fall.  I see no value in giving money to proven failures.  Let them die, lets take the pain and allow the market to correct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you asking do I feel America should fully apply the free market theory and allow companies and banks to charge any rate they desire at any time for anything?  I do not feel that should be done.  <a href="http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/03/24/usury_credit_cards/" rel="nofollow">I&#8217;ve made it known, I&#8217;d prefer that the line once held</a>, that kept credit card companies from going crazy with their product had been maintained.  I&#8217;m not promoting a government &#8220;ban&#8221; against any charging of interest, but I do feel it would have been better for governments <em>(in the case of credit cards it was certain state governments)</em> to hold the line on banks charging too much interest.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/09/25/its-not-illegal-just-unethical/" rel="nofollow">I&#8217;ve also made it known</a>, I don&#8217;t like seeing people pressed to take money they can&#8217;t really afford.  I don&#8217;t feel government would ever be able to &#8220;ban&#8221; that sort of thing and <b>I&#8217;m not seeking for them to.</b>  If tighter controls on the amount of interest that could be charged were in place like in times past, this sort of thing would never be going on to begin with.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also against collusion in price fixing, that&#8217;s fraud and not an open market system.</p>
<p>But I draw the line with what I&#8217;ve noted above.  I think there should be tight controls against charging high interest rates, against fraud and that&#8217;s about it.  I do feel what&#8217;s left &#8220;free&#8221; beyond that will work it&#8217;s self out.</p>
<p>I do feel the full &#8220;free market theory&#8221; does work, but I don&#8217;t feel it&#8217;s application to the fullest extent would be wise.</p>
<p>I consider myself a person who favors free markets, but I do make it known I say that with certain controls, so my view of it is not really the fullest pure definition of &#8220;free market&#8221;.  </p>
<p><b>Now with everything I&#8217;ve said above, I&#8217;m speaking about markets within America only.</b>  I&#8217;m not at all for full international free market action.  I think that has to be well controlled and I&#8217;m no fan of many international trade agreements America has setup.</p>
<p>Regarding this issue with the banks, I do feel they need to be allowed to freely fall.  I see no value in giving money to proven failures.  Let them die, lets take the pain and allow the market to correct.</p>
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		<title>By: johnkaniecki</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnkaniecki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 02:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IC,

Hi hope you are well.

Do you really believe in the free market theory?

Love,

John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IC,</p>
<p>Hi hope you are well.</p>
<p>Do you really believe in the free market theory?</p>
<p>Love,</p>
<p>John</p>
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		<title>By: stan</title>
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		<dc:creator>stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 04:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Command those who are rich in this present age not to be haughty, &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;nor to trust in uncertain riches but in the living God,&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; who gives us richly all things to enjoy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Command those who are rich in this present age not to be haughty, <b><i>nor to trust in uncertain riches but in the living God,</i></b> who gives us richly all things to enjoy.</p>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/09/29/the-bailout-this-thing-is-just-terrible/comment-page-1/#comment-11385</link>
		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 00:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without a bailout, a depression is very likely.  Difference is, a depression now would be shorter than what&#039;s coming later after they pass this package.

Yes one thing is for certain, scripture will be fulfilled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without a bailout, a depression is very likely.  Difference is, a depression now would be shorter than what&#8217;s coming later after they pass this package.</p>
<p>Yes one thing is for certain, scripture will be fulfilled.</p>
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		<title>By: Albertadude</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/09/29/the-bailout-this-thing-is-just-terrible/comment-page-1/#comment-11384</link>
		<dc:creator>Albertadude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 23:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So IC, if we do not bailout Wallstreet, can the economy come back or are we headed to a massive depression or perhaps a hard recession?

Good Lord...these are incredible times!!

Doesn&#039;t Scripture speak about our money becoming valueless also?

Dev</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So IC, if we do not bailout Wallstreet, can the economy come back or are we headed to a massive depression or perhaps a hard recession?</p>
<p>Good Lord&#8230;these are incredible times!!</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t Scripture speak about our money becoming valueless also?</p>
<p>Dev</p>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 23:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I most certainly do!

Problem is, those who desire it are going to keep at it till they get it.  Maybe even let a small depression set in, to try and pain more citizens into supporting giving failures more money.  But so far many Americans realize it&#039;s a bad idea.

Either there can be some big pain in some areas now, or worse later.  The politicians are pushing to have worse later, they&#039;ll take what they can get for now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I most certainly do!</p>
<p>Problem is, those who desire it are going to keep at it till they get it.  Maybe even let a small depression set in, to try and pain more citizens into supporting giving failures more money.  But so far many Americans realize it&#8217;s a bad idea.</p>
<p>Either there can be some big pain in some areas now, or worse later.  The politicians are pushing to have worse later, they&#8217;ll take what they can get for now.</p>
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		<title>By: Albertadude</title>
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		<dc:creator>Albertadude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 22:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So then you must agree with today&#039;s action not to pass the bailout plan right?

Dev</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So then you must agree with today&#8217;s action not to pass the bailout plan right?</p>
<p>Dev</p>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/09/29/the-bailout-this-thing-is-just-terrible/comment-page-1/#comment-11381</link>
		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 20:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Albertadude, economically speaking it would have been better to yes, let some things sink and let whatever global impact occur.  The US economy would have been able to possibly rebound from whatever depression without continually building up this debt bubble.  That&#039;s how a real &quot;free market&quot; would be allowed to work. 

Instead, lawmakers have sought to avert the market correction &lt;em&gt;(otherwise known as a recession)&lt;/em&gt;.  So you have an economy with an inflated false bottom.  Piling debt.  You can see some of it explained in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/09/22/700-billion-in-magic-money/#comment-11349&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;KyleAndrews&#039; earlier comment.&lt;/a&gt;

There&#039;s a real fundamental principle that is being broken in this &quot;bailout&quot;, which is you don&#039;t give your worse lenders a &quot;bailout&quot;.  They made the loans and passed them around to each other.  Knowing the risks before they did it.  Knowing voices have been warning them about it for a long time.  That does not deserve reward in them staying on &quot;Wall Street&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Albertadude, economically speaking it would have been better to yes, let some things sink and let whatever global impact occur.  The US economy would have been able to possibly rebound from whatever depression without continually building up this debt bubble.  That&#8217;s how a real &#8220;free market&#8221; would be allowed to work. </p>
<p>Instead, lawmakers have sought to avert the market correction <em>(otherwise known as a recession)</em>.  So you have an economy with an inflated false bottom.  Piling debt.  You can see some of it explained in <a href="http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/09/22/700-billion-in-magic-money/#comment-11349" rel="nofollow">KyleAndrews&#8217; earlier comment.</a></p>
<p>There&#8217;s a real fundamental principle that is being broken in this &#8220;bailout&#8221;, which is you don&#8217;t give your worse lenders a &#8220;bailout&#8221;.  They made the loans and passed them around to each other.  Knowing the risks before they did it.  Knowing voices have been warning them about it for a long time.  That does not deserve reward in them staying on &#8220;Wall Street&#8221;.</p>
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