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		<title>By: johnkaniecki</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/09/22/700-billion-in-magic-money/comment-page-1/#comment-11376</link>
		<dc:creator>johnkaniecki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 23:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi hope you are well. A very good point about our representation. But look what is happening. Everybody I know is against the bail out money. I know people with many different political philosophies to. You see how everyone is bickering.  Now the people are challenging the president&#039;s dire warning that if nothing is done immeadiately there will be a disaster. They compare this to the lead up to the invasion of Iraq and the supposed weapons of mass destruction. Just goes to show you that in this world you&#039;d better not mess with people&#039;s money or they are going to get irate and do something.

I would love to have a viable third party whether on the left or on the right.

Finally this is reminiscent of papa Bush&#039;s bail out of the savings and loans. We didn&#039;t learn our lesson their and the deregulation of the money industry led up to this crisis.

Also what about the golden parachutes. This is the multi million dollar exiting packages these executives desire. Why should the people who led their companies into bankruptcy get rewarded! Would the government give money to you or me if we had small businesses that went under.

Let&#039;s bring it back to where it is real and that is Jesus Christ our Lord. God is working. He&#039;s shaking things up. Anything not built on the Rock is going to fall. Just like the tower of Babel fell so will the New World Order. God allowed the tower to get just so high and then in an instant it crumbled. I believe without a doubt is that Jesus is preparing for the institution of His kingdom on Earth.  We will go through the tribulation first but the sun will rise and a new day will dawn.

Let us encourage one another in Christ and focus on God.

Love,

John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi hope you are well. A very good point about our representation. But look what is happening. Everybody I know is against the bail out money. I know people with many different political philosophies to. You see how everyone is bickering.  Now the people are challenging the president&#8217;s dire warning that if nothing is done immeadiately there will be a disaster. They compare this to the lead up to the invasion of Iraq and the supposed weapons of mass destruction. Just goes to show you that in this world you&#8217;d better not mess with people&#8217;s money or they are going to get irate and do something.</p>
<p>I would love to have a viable third party whether on the left or on the right.</p>
<p>Finally this is reminiscent of papa Bush&#8217;s bail out of the savings and loans. We didn&#8217;t learn our lesson their and the deregulation of the money industry led up to this crisis.</p>
<p>Also what about the golden parachutes. This is the multi million dollar exiting packages these executives desire. Why should the people who led their companies into bankruptcy get rewarded! Would the government give money to you or me if we had small businesses that went under.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s bring it back to where it is real and that is Jesus Christ our Lord. God is working. He&#8217;s shaking things up. Anything not built on the Rock is going to fall. Just like the tower of Babel fell so will the New World Order. God allowed the tower to get just so high and then in an instant it crumbled. I believe without a doubt is that Jesus is preparing for the institution of His kingdom on Earth.  We will go through the tribulation first but the sun will rise and a new day will dawn.</p>
<p>Let us encourage one another in Christ and focus on God.</p>
<p>Love,</p>
<p>John</p>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/09/22/700-billion-in-magic-money/comment-page-1/#comment-11367</link>
		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Kyle, I pretty much figured out what you&#039;re saying now regarding &quot;representation&quot;, when they didn&#039;t properly address the illegal immigration issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Kyle, I pretty much figured out what you&#8217;re saying now regarding &#8220;representation&#8221;, when they didn&#8217;t properly address the illegal immigration issue.</p>
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		<title>By: KyleAndrews</title>
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		<dc:creator>KyleAndrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is tyranny.  We have NO representation.  It&#039;s official.  The House and Senate have a plan and will now send it to the Pres.  All of them smiling on stage as they drafted this bail out bill.  Sickening!  I will never vote again.  I&#039;m shocked at all the times on these blogs where the sheeple always bray how much better their candidate is over the next guy.  NONESENSE!  Both McCain and Obama are all part of this too.

Kyle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is tyranny.  We have NO representation.  It&#8217;s official.  The House and Senate have a plan and will now send it to the Pres.  All of them smiling on stage as they drafted this bail out bill.  Sickening!  I will never vote again.  I&#8217;m shocked at all the times on these blogs where the sheeple always bray how much better their candidate is over the next guy.  NONESENSE!  Both McCain and Obama are all part of this too.</p>
<p>Kyle</p>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kyle, with all the additional &quot;bail out&quot; they want to add into the bill, my personal suspension &lt;em&gt;(which is nothing more than my personal opinion)&lt;/em&gt;, that the package would be $1 Trillion or more may likely become a reality.  And then there&#039;s the oversight controls that are being added in.  This is going to also bloat the size of our government even more.

With all the SCARE in the news, I&#039;m sort of surprised 91% realize the &quot;bail out&quot; is not the safest option.

If we really had a &quot;free market&quot; the politicians would see these companies crying for help, tell them they brought their own demise on themselves and go home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyle, with all the additional &#8220;bail out&#8221; they want to add into the bill, my personal suspension <em>(which is nothing more than my personal opinion)</em>, that the package would be $1 Trillion or more may likely become a reality.  And then there&#8217;s the oversight controls that are being added in.  This is going to also bloat the size of our government even more.</p>
<p>With all the SCARE in the news, I&#8217;m sort of surprised 91% realize the &#8220;bail out&#8221; is not the safest option.</p>
<p>If we really had a &#8220;free market&#8221; the politicians would see these companies crying for help, tell them they brought their own demise on themselves and go home.</p>
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		<title>By: KyleAndrews</title>
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		<dc:creator>KyleAndrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing!  9% of people support this 700 billion dollar bail out and yet they are still going to ram it down our throats.  Peter Schiff is a very wise man and knows what is going on.  He says this is going to be a inflationary depression or severe stagflation.  We are done!  I&#039;m sorry but like I said earlier our GDP is 13.8 Trillion.  Our current debt with the bailout, Fannie Mae, and AIG our current assets (GDP) is equal to our current debts.  WE ARE INSOLVENT PEOPLE.  THINK!  WE CAN ONLY INFLATE FROM THIS POINT ON.  WE HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE.  USE YOUR HEADS.  70% OF OUR GDP IS CONSUMER DRIVEN.  IN OTHER WORDS IT IS &quot;NOT&quot; BASED ON PRODUCTION BUT RATHER CONSUMPTION BASED ON DEBT CREATION.  BUT NOW OUR DEBTS ARE EQUAL TO OUR GDP.  WE ARE INSOLVENT.

Kyle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing!  9% of people support this 700 billion dollar bail out and yet they are still going to ram it down our throats.  Peter Schiff is a very wise man and knows what is going on.  He says this is going to be a inflationary depression or severe stagflation.  We are done!  I&#8217;m sorry but like I said earlier our GDP is 13.8 Trillion.  Our current debt with the bailout, Fannie Mae, and AIG our current assets (GDP) is equal to our current debts.  WE ARE INSOLVENT PEOPLE.  THINK!  WE CAN ONLY INFLATE FROM THIS POINT ON.  WE HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE.  USE YOUR HEADS.  70% OF OUR GDP IS CONSUMER DRIVEN.  IN OTHER WORDS IT IS &#8220;NOT&#8221; BASED ON PRODUCTION BUT RATHER CONSUMPTION BASED ON DEBT CREATION.  BUT NOW OUR DEBTS ARE EQUAL TO OUR GDP.  WE ARE INSOLVENT.</p>
<p>Kyle</p>
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		<title>By: johnkaniecki</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnkaniecki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kyle,

I looked at the link. 

I am certain that the economy is being propped up until the end of the election.  I know the car business has be slow. One man said it is the slowest that he has seen it in fifty three years. Also the malls around here are empty.

Many people wanted to follow Milton Freedman. He basically said let the market have freedom. Actually that is a mistatement. He wanted the market to have liscense. For example freedom as we know it in America is that we can speak our minds, gather together and a free press. Liscense would be that anything goes like stealing and murder.

Because of this Freedman&#039;s economic theory the markets had no supervision. Thus there were no over sights. So people were sold mortgages with the seller knowing that there was no possibility that the buyer could pay the depts. That is why there are a record number of forclosures.  Also the people who sold the mortgages in turn sold the deals to others. Thus the middle man walked away with a nice profit. The buyer of the house lost his house and the buyer of the deal now has to deal with forclosures.

It is amazing how these &#039;conservatives&#039; were screaming to let the market be free. Laissez faire and the invisible hand.  Why doesn&#039;t wall street keep to their philosophical ideas that government should stay out of business. Why? The answer is of course that they are now the ones in need. The 700 billion comes out to thousand dollars for every American citizen.

Finally as my wife and I were driving home from church we heard a man on the radio saying that what was happening is such a great tragedy. Please people are being gun down on the streets, there is genocide in Africa, there abortion clinics murdering the unborn and this is a tragedy.

Also those high executives are going to get their million dollar salaries and their buy outs. Despite the fact that under their supervision they ran the company bankrupt. How  unfair is that.

Love,

John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyle,</p>
<p>I looked at the link. </p>
<p>I am certain that the economy is being propped up until the end of the election.  I know the car business has be slow. One man said it is the slowest that he has seen it in fifty three years. Also the malls around here are empty.</p>
<p>Many people wanted to follow Milton Freedman. He basically said let the market have freedom. Actually that is a mistatement. He wanted the market to have liscense. For example freedom as we know it in America is that we can speak our minds, gather together and a free press. Liscense would be that anything goes like stealing and murder.</p>
<p>Because of this Freedman&#8217;s economic theory the markets had no supervision. Thus there were no over sights. So people were sold mortgages with the seller knowing that there was no possibility that the buyer could pay the depts. That is why there are a record number of forclosures.  Also the people who sold the mortgages in turn sold the deals to others. Thus the middle man walked away with a nice profit. The buyer of the house lost his house and the buyer of the deal now has to deal with forclosures.</p>
<p>It is amazing how these &#8216;conservatives&#8217; were screaming to let the market be free. Laissez faire and the invisible hand.  Why doesn&#8217;t wall street keep to their philosophical ideas that government should stay out of business. Why? The answer is of course that they are now the ones in need. The 700 billion comes out to thousand dollars for every American citizen.</p>
<p>Finally as my wife and I were driving home from church we heard a man on the radio saying that what was happening is such a great tragedy. Please people are being gun down on the streets, there is genocide in Africa, there abortion clinics murdering the unborn and this is a tragedy.</p>
<p>Also those high executives are going to get their million dollar salaries and their buy outs. Despite the fact that under their supervision they ran the company bankrupt. How  unfair is that.</p>
<p>Love,</p>
<p>John</p>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 22:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kyle, Watching these guys debate the matter on TV, I&#039;m convinced they&#039;ll go the way you&#039;ve mentioned &lt;b&gt;AND&lt;/b&gt; it&#039;s gonna be at least $1 Trillion by the time they&#039;re done with it!
&lt;em&gt;(That&#039;s just my personal opinion, nothing more.)&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyle, Watching these guys debate the matter on TV, I&#8217;m convinced they&#8217;ll go the way you&#8217;ve mentioned <b>AND</b> it&#8217;s gonna be at least $1 Trillion by the time they&#8217;re done with it!<br />
<em>(That&#8217;s just my personal opinion, nothing more.)</em></p>
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		<title>By: KyleAndrews</title>
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		<dc:creator>KyleAndrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 18:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IC,

Here is an article that confirmed what I was saying in regards to the two choices the Fed can make.

Pay attention to the first few paragraphs.  The latter ones are a pitch for Gold.  Nonetheless this article does confirm there are only two options and it is the hyper-inflation option that they are going to choose.

http://www.safehaven.com/article-11328.htm

Kyle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IC,</p>
<p>Here is an article that confirmed what I was saying in regards to the two choices the Fed can make.</p>
<p>Pay attention to the first few paragraphs.  The latter ones are a pitch for Gold.  Nonetheless this article does confirm there are only two options and it is the hyper-inflation option that they are going to choose.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.safehaven.com/article-11328.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.safehaven.com/article-11328.htm</a></p>
<p>Kyle</p>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your input Kyle.

So if there&#039;s food, but I&#039;ve got to work all day just to get some, that&#039;s &lt;em&gt;sort of like&lt;/em&gt; being in famine from the perception of the worker.  Although it&#039;s not &quot;really&quot; famine.  Your view of it maintains the reality that there will be a rich class existing, which is more consistent than claiming everybody will be poor.  But I think for those experiencing it, they&#039;ll recognize the fulfillment as the Holy Spirit guides them.

Of course option B has a lot of unknowns, given it involves America being sold off at an even faster rate.  Would the nation really rebound, or become the slave of other nations?  It&#039;s possible option B would not go as it might have gone in the past, given this nation does not produce a lot of the things it used to.

And with option A, this nation going down some economically may not result in others buying debt, but they will buy up the hard assets on the cheap.

No real pretty options and way too late to turn back.

The pulpit pimps&#039; game will be an interesting sight as this all moves forward.  But it won&#039;t be the first time there have been pimps in the middle of a bad economy.  They seem to always keep a following.

Well we might start getting the feel of the early church soon, complete with the poverty.  While some will keep worshiping money, those who call on the Lord in truth and not the riches of this world won&#039;t be disappointed.  And pleasure for those in truth does not come in the form of man&#039;s dollars.  Not that anybody deserves Him of any doing of their own, but blessed are those who find the narrow gate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your input Kyle.</p>
<p>So if there&#8217;s food, but I&#8217;ve got to work all day just to get some, that&#8217;s <em>sort of like</em> being in famine from the perception of the worker.  Although it&#8217;s not &#8220;really&#8221; famine.  Your view of it maintains the reality that there will be a rich class existing, which is more consistent than claiming everybody will be poor.  But I think for those experiencing it, they&#8217;ll recognize the fulfillment as the Holy Spirit guides them.</p>
<p>Of course option B has a lot of unknowns, given it involves America being sold off at an even faster rate.  Would the nation really rebound, or become the slave of other nations?  It&#8217;s possible option B would not go as it might have gone in the past, given this nation does not produce a lot of the things it used to.</p>
<p>And with option A, this nation going down some economically may not result in others buying debt, but they will buy up the hard assets on the cheap.</p>
<p>No real pretty options and way too late to turn back.</p>
<p>The pulpit pimps&#8217; game will be an interesting sight as this all moves forward.  But it won&#8217;t be the first time there have been pimps in the middle of a bad economy.  They seem to always keep a following.</p>
<p>Well we might start getting the feel of the early church soon, complete with the poverty.  While some will keep worshiping money, those who call on the Lord in truth and not the riches of this world won&#8217;t be disappointed.  And pleasure for those in truth does not come in the form of man&#8217;s dollars.  Not that anybody deserves Him of any doing of their own, but blessed are those who find the narrow gate.</p>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And one other good one:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/04/11/america-freedom-to-fascism/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;America: Freedom to Fascism, A Movie Worth Viewing.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And one other good one:<br />
<a href="http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/04/11/america-freedom-to-fascism/" rel="nofollow">America: Freedom to Fascism, A Movie Worth Viewing.</a></p>
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