The video offers some good examples and a short explanation of truth at the end.
Notice also, that in addition to the misguided “slain in the spirit” activity, that goes on many places, around 3:20 of the video counting up you see supposed debates with demons and I think some were supposed to be debates with the devil too. Also notice the DEMANDING tone used when addressing the Lord Jesus, as if they can make demands of God. Let me make this clear to you Christians, you have no place to speak to God in a demanding tone, no standing for having a back and forth debate with “demons”, acting as if you can shout a demon out by continual yelling has no biblical foundation and you should never spend time supposedly debating, arguing or shouting at the devil. Of course since you should not be spending time debating, arguing or shouting at the devil, you should not do any supposed long winded theatrics with demons either.
Why you don’t sit around having yelling theatrics with demons.
Notice the actions of Paul when he encountered a real demon.
Acts 16:16-18 (New American Standard Bible)
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Paul was not calling for the woman to stop drinking and acting like she had some contrived “drinking spirit”. Things like drunkenness, sexual immorality and other sinful behaviors are of the flesh. (It’s not a demon if you do such things, it’s you!) Not some “demon” to cast out of someone. And a Christian sealed with the Holy Spirit can’t be inhabited by a demon. Please read Galatians 5.
In Acts 16:16-18 quoted above, notice Paul’s response was short, swift and a command towards the demon in the name of Jesus Christ. It was not a yelling demand at the Lord as if Jesus was his servant, but a command to the demon in the name of Jesus Christ. The response was immediate. Not some lengthy debating forum. If you were to actually encounter someone with a demon and that demon does not move when you command it in the name of Jesus Christ to go. You need to get yourself away and off into prayer. You might even want to turn down your plate for a while. If it does not move when you command it in the name of Jesus Christ to leave, that means you are not equipped to deal with what you attempted to command leave a person, Mark 9:14-29. (Notice Jesus, being God in flesh gave one command of Himself. The demon did it’s own theatrics, but Jesus gave one command and explained why the others could not remove it.)
And there are cases where you are not even to attempt casting out some things many attempt to “cast out”. I think this is best explained in Stan’s post: The New Apostolic Reformation: some of its shapers and methods. They?re also targeting our youth.
Why you should not sit around trying to have a yelling match with the devil.
This scripture also explains why you don’t sit around acting like you’re going to yell down angels or yell at God and such. This one passage of scripture encapsulates why what occurred in the video above is much error.
Jude 1:8-13 (New American Standard Bible)
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We don’t sit having yelling matches with or at supernatural beings. If it is of evil, we rebuke it in the Lord’s name and leave it at that. On the opposite end, we don’t speak to angels of God as if they are dogs we command from Heaven. And last, but most importantly, we don’t yell at our Lord as if He is someone we can address as we might a child we send to their room.
Do not follow the ways of the false teachers, they lead many to destruction.
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September 5th, 2008 at 11:39 am
This is a sad day in which we live when people are grasping for straws on a continual basis. When in fact that God calls us to live by our faith, many in Jesus day followed Him because they were solely fed or healed, with no mind to follow God but recieve of Him purely for what He offers them instead of who He is, but He soon tired of them. Healing confirmed who He (Jesus) was and who He was of. Like the Apostles their signs and wonders confirmed whom they were of, and that being God.
If healing doesn’t come will we disregard God out of disappointment for what He didn’t do?
God would rather heal our soul’s diseases than the house in which our soul dwells(that being our body)!, healing is secondary, but if healing doesn’t come our confidence and expectations are not to be cast off through our disappointments.
There are far too many that are seeking a supernatural experience, with emphasis on the gift instead of the Giver, whether it be fame, healing or prosperity. These are the present pursuits that put God in a second place to what people are chasing!
Commanding God to do stuff/things for us is just wrong on so many levels, and folks need to just plain stop this practice, because it is not how we boldly approach the Throne of Grace, we boldly approach because we didn’t have access prior to the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
God does heal but it’s not His desire in every case, so can we live with the will of The Lord?
stan reply on September 5th, 2008 at 11:11 pm :
You’re right, Vaughn. God often tests us by deprivation of some desired temporal blessing. Will we curse God for disappointing us on a “failed” promise we were led to believe by a false teacher? That is certainly Satan’s purpose. He wants us to curse God and die. He was confident that Job would do so before he was authorized by God to go from His presence to strike him.
False teachers work Satan’s will this way by promising things for this world and supposedly giving you the keys to secure them through their brand of faith. Then, when the promise fails, they shake their fists at God believing that God was the one at fault instead of looking at what they were following all that time and what it appealed to in their flesh.
September 6th, 2008 at 10:32 am
Early in my ministry, I had a man come to my church who claimed he was an apostle. Okay I said. We’ll see. During service the man claimed to be casting out a demon of a young man. First it was out of order (not Spirit led) and secondly he started having this coffee table discussion with the alleged demon. Like “what’s your name?”, “how long have you been there?” and “if it takes all day you are coming out”. What insanity!! I stopped everything and told the man to be seated. It taught me a valuable lesson about accepting people because they claim some magnamious title.
And…there was no demon.
stan reply on September 6th, 2008 at 11:48 am :
Hello, DL. Back in those early days, what was your view of modern apostles?
September 6th, 2008 at 11:26 am
If Benny Hinn’s Blowing and Fanning His Coat is so overwhelming as He says,Why Doesn’t the Camera Man In the Line of Benny’s 50 Caliber Annoited Nehru Jacket fall over Slain In The Spirit? You just Got to laugh at these Clowns!
stan reply on September 6th, 2008 at 11:37 am :
Why isn’t the camera man slain in the spirit? Because his camera acts like modern-day garlic to ward off Hinn’s anointing. It works at all such meetings.
September 6th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
At worst, demonic forces at work. At best, hypnosis. This is very reminiscent of a live stage hynoptist’s show I had to endure at a work conference (don’t ask!); I was struck at just how similar it all seemed to Benny Hinn et al… this was one of the nails in the coffin in my pentecostal theology. I knew one of the guys who went on stage and knew it wasn’t a set up - again looking at that clip, whether demonic or hypnotic mind control, something unholy is clearly at work.
healtheland reply on September 6th, 2008 at 3:52 pm :
daughter:
Hypnosis is 100% utterly demonic. Hypnosis was actually imported directly from the animist and spiritist religions and “secularized” to make it appear more respectable. Then Hollywood got a hold of it and started making it look harmless and fun in movies and TV … just some guy in a magician outfit holding a stopwatch and saying “you are getting very sleepy” instead of showing people under complete demonic possession convulsing on the ground and frothing at the mouth in the areas and religions where hypnosis was actually developed. If Pentecostals and charismatics are using hypnosis, that is just another area where they are syncretizing animist, spiritist, and pagan religions with Christianity.
September 6th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
Thanks for pointing that out, my husband has said the same thing, that hypnotism is of the devil.
The similarities between what I saw were striking, I was utterly shocked…people in hyper-suggestible state, trigger words being used so subtly. I spoke to my colleague who had gone on stage who said he had almost no control, and another described it as being drunk.
The fact that the likes of Hinn et al use hypnosis in the name of Christ is indeed reprehensible.
September 6th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
I just finished writing a lengthy paper on Todd Bentley who is similar to Hinn in every way, barring the tattoos and all.
All this is just hypnotism and clever stage manipulation yet no-one notices.
stan reply on September 7th, 2008 at 5:29 pm :
Thanks. How will you disseminate it?
truthintheselastdays reply on September 14th, 2008 at 5:14 pm :
If you go to my blog using the link on my handle and go to the Resources pages it’s there as either a Word document or a PDF…
IndependentConservative reply on September 14th, 2008 at 6:54 pm :
http://blackreformingkid.wordpress.com/resources/