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August 11, 2008

The Apostle Paul Affirms Mary Is Not Mediatrix. Also Affirms Christians Should Not Pray To Dead People, Even If Those People Are Considered To Be Saints.

by @ 12:21 am. Filed under The Truth Shall Set you Free!

The Roman Catholic Tradition is guided by its Catechism. I have often warned, that Roman Catholicism is the cult of Mary and a false Mary at that. The following entry in the Roman Catholic Catechism proves beyond all doubt, that Roman Catholicism is another gospel.

Catechism of the Catholic [Roman] Church

969 “This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation …. Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix.”

In short, Roman Catholicism teaches that Mary is a mediator.

Dictionary.com entry for the term: Mediatrix

a woman who mediates, esp. between parties at variance.

Notice, Roman Catholic Catechism entry 969 says “Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix”. Many Roman Catholics and even some who are not Roman Catholics, but follow many of those traditions, literally pray to “Mary”. They see Mary as a valid advocate between God and man. Just as many times they pray to people they consider to be “dead saints”.

The apostle Paul made it clear beyond all doubt, that neither Mary or anyone else other than Jesus Christ is a mediator between God and man.

1 Timothy 2:5-6 (New American Standard Bible)

5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.

Please understand, that it is estimated, that Paul wrote those Words as inspired by God between 62-66 A.D. That was decades AFTER Mary’s death. It has been estimated by some, that Mary lived 3-15 years after Christ rose and ascended to Heaven. Meaning Paul openly declared Mary was NOT a mediator about 20-30 years after Mary was dead. Also, given Paul was a young man named Saul at the stoning of Stephen, Acts 7:54-60. We know for Mary to have been alive when Paul wrote to Timothy, would mean she lived well over 70 years, which no source has ever claimed. (When I speak of “life” and “death” in this post, I’m talking about the physical body.) So Mary’s body was very much in the grave when Paul wrote to Timothy. Also keep in mind, that Paul never mentions praying to Stephen. He didn’t pray to dead saints!

This leaves one bottom line. Jesus Christ is the ONLY mediator between God and man. Prayers made through any other are unheard and invalid. Knowing the truth of scripture, anyone trying to claim Mary as a mediator between God and man is in need of repentance.

(Efforts to promote the cult of Mary are not allowed in comments here, 2 John 1:10-11)


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13 Responses to “The Apostle Paul Affirms Mary Is Not Mediatrix. Also Affirms Christians Should Not Pray To Dead People, Even If Those People Are Considered To Be Saints.”

  1. Lois Says:

    Thank you for providing this valuable information. Two years ago I engaged in a similar, indepth discussion with a ‘devout’ Roman Catholic who was willing to examine what Scripture had to say in this regard, as opposed to what the Catechism teaches.
    Even when it was pointed out that the latter does inceed claim Mary to be a ‘Mediatrix’ contrary to Scripture – the Word of God – the RC still said “Well, we don’t pray ‘to’ Mary. She brings our prayers to God for us.”
    Amazing denial of the truth and what the Word says! This was coming from a PhD Chemist to boot (Personally hopelessly in Denial?). Not that being educated has anything to do with having a true relationship with Jesus Christ. NO, not at all! I was just amazed that even from a ‘logical’ standpoint, the RC wouldn’t even accept that yes, Scripture says Jesus is the only Mediator and thus, Mary is NOT – despite what the catechism says.

    IndependentConservative reply on August 11th, 2008 at 2:33 pm :

    Hi Lois,

    …the RC still said “Well, we don’t pray ‘to’ Mary. She brings our prayers to God for us.”

    The responses Roman Catholics (and other Mary deists) give in defiance of scripture have always been amazing to me. If Mary had the ability to take prayers between God and man, it would make her exactly what scripture says she is not. A mediator between God and man.

    I think they are running to the comfort of staying in delusion. Instead of having to deal with the personal and social upheaval, that comes with admitting to yourself and everyone else that a certain doctrine they embrace is false. Ultimately, only the Lord can help them see that truth is better than error. They believe in their hearts that they are right, totally defying scripture and only the Lord can help them see the truth, as He wills. To prick their hearts.

    Romans 8:26-27 (New American Standard Bible)

    26 In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words;

    27 and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.

    Now unless Mary is the Holy Spirit (God) or Jesus Christ (God), it’s literally impossible for her to be Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, or Mediatrix. God has provided the means of Himself, through His Son and by His Spirit. Nobody else can do what is the work of GOD ALONE.

  2. stan Says:

    Having grown up Catholic (as you know, IC), Mary played as much or sometimes more of a role in our faith than Jesus. Jesus was more known as related to Mary than as related to the Father. All pictures of them together show Him in an infantile state. Mary dominates in these sort of icons.

    According to the Greek Orthodox, Mary did not actually die, but rather went into a dormant state (??!!). That is where they get the term The Dormition of Mary. This invention was brought about by the theological difficulty arising from the Biblical doctrine of sin and death as it concerns her. If, as it presumed about Mary by both Roman and Eastern traditions (and “confirmed” in such mystical revelations as those of Brigitta of Sweden and many others), that she was conceived in an immaculate (sinless) condition, she could not be subject to death as all other sinful humans are; consequently, she could not legally die. So, it is said of her that she went into this dormant state instead of dying.

    Roman Catholics overlooked this spiritual difficulty entirely (surprising, given their meticulous obsession with her). For, if they admit she died, then they are admitting she was a sinner. There is no way around that inference. They also further assert her death by saying her tomb was in Jerusalem (from which she was resurrected) and “assumed” into heaven.

    They are scrupulous about applying the word “assumption” instead of “ascension” to her being taken up into heaven, body and soul, so as not to put her departure into heaven on a par with Jesus own departure there. But, they don’t mind putting her into a Mediatrix office, when the apostles make clear that there is only ONE Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus. Talk about straining gnats but swallowing camels.

    Mary’s Assumption into heaven never happened. How dare I say that?, an outraged catholic may ask. It’s easy: There are no eyewitnesses of the event. Yet, Jesus’ death, burial, resurrection and ascension have plenty. This lack of witnesses for her relegates the entire Assumption story to mythology.

    Any fantastic story without reliable proof is a myth (or fable). That goes for all modern tales of miracles and resurrections so eagerly believed by multitudes (those of Lakeland, FL. these days, for example). For even strict bible-believing Christians must admit that if God provided no eyewitnesses for Jesus’ amazing resurrection and ascension, these things about Him would be a myth as well. But, God assured mankind of these things by providing eyewitness proof (Acts 17:31). Acts 1:3 and 1 Cor. 15:5-8 show that eyewitnesses are critical to our faith. We would be unable to believe that Jesus was our great Mediator if no witnesses existed to verify these events about Him and explain their significance to us. How wise of God to provide them for us, so that we may have full assurance and trust of what we believe; and also for us to understand what to reject with confidence, such as these fantastic tales about what eventually happened to Jesus’ mother, Mary.

    IndependentConservative reply on August 11th, 2008 at 5:58 pm :

    The Apostles knew Mary and never said any of those mythological things said by the Greek Orthodox and Roman Catholics. So I’ve got no reason to listen to the claims made by the Greek Orthodox, Roman Catholics and other Mary deist. I know they don’t feel they deify her, but anything anyone attempts to put between God and man is an idol if it’s not Jesus Christ. Because only Christ gave himself for the sheep.

    I find that being an “RC outsider” (I mean never a Roman Catholic) all I seem to see of Roman Catholic’s portrayal of Jesus is always one of two:
    1. An infant always portrayed as in need of Mary.
    2. Hanging from a cross, head down, looking humiliated and broken.

    To me, Roman Catholics portray Jesus always as some sort of helpless individual. Never does it seem that they promote strong affirmation of His Lordship. They do portray their “popes” and Mary as authoritative figures though. Given Jesus is Lord TODAY, their focus on “baby Jesus” and “on the cross Jesus” seems way overplayed to me. I’m not saying that Christ’s sacrifice can ever be overstated, but I’m just saying that the way RC does it places focus on a dead (or infantile) more than living ruling Jesus.

    stan reply on August 11th, 2008 at 6:38 pm :

    I remember from my early Catholic grammar school days we would go to the parish church for some Mary feast day. In the enchanting semi-darkness of that vast structure created by many novena candles, we would read litanies of her that would go on and on. Between the hushed, reverent atmosphere and listening to the vast number of effusive titles given of her in the priest’s sepulchral tones, it left a solid impression of a quasi-deity in my mind. I say “quasi” because you could not help but to think that all those high-sounding expressions belonged to a deity rather than to a human. But, they would reinforce that she was not a deity on the other hand. Somehow, you were to accept it all “on faith” – rendering the term “faith” into a mystical and unexplainable belief system (far from what I understand faith to be now, thank God). From what I can remember, not even Jesus received so many expressions of star-struck adoration as what Mary got.

  3. Lennie Says:

    I even had a Catholic tell me once that Mary remained a virgin forever—hence, the term “Virgin Mary”. He was unaware of the fact that Jesus had younger brothers and sisters and that Mary lived a normal life with her husband after Jesus was born.

    I tried to explain those things to him and tried to glean from him what he believed God would have gained by telling Joseph to keep her (and himself, a married man)celibate forever. Why would God do that to a married couple?

    After all, she was not God. She was simply chosen to carry Jesus.

    He told me he would ask his wife (also Catholic) about Jesus having siblings since he did not read the bible and had never heard of such.

    It’s sad. Many of them are lost and won’t even open the bible for themselves.

    IndependentConservative reply on August 11th, 2008 at 9:20 pm :

    Yea, they do exactly what many of us who were once misled by pulpit pimps did. Just sat back and let some supposed “mand of Gawd” tell us everything as the Werd of Gawd. If you want to get some good information on how Roman Catholics promote their false teachings about Mary and good tips for countering it, check out this post.

    stan reply on August 11th, 2008 at 9:20 pm :

    To show you how far they will go to keep this unnecessary myth about Mary being a perpetual virgin going, they appropriate Ezekiel 44:2 as “proof.” “And the LORD said to me, “This gate shall be shut; it shall not be opened, and no man shall enter by it, because the LORD God of Israel has entered by it; therefore it shall be shut.

    The inference they derive is that Mary’s womb was like this East gate: that no one else (Joseph) could enter it (sexual union) nor could another (brothers or sisters) be born through it.”

    It is obvious that these verses in Ezekiel refers to the glorified Lord Who has returned to earth as King. For, in the days of His flesh, Jesus often entered the temple area through some gate(s). No one sanctified His entrances into Herod’s temple invoking this verse. Therefore, since He was entering in and leaving by the gates used by others then, why could not Joseph had normal marital relations with Mary? Further, a marriage was not considered true if it was not consummated. So, as you point out, what is being gained by such an odd doctrine?

  4. fourpointer Says:

    Also keep in mind that John wrote The Revelation about 60 years after the death and resurrection of Christ–which would be about 45-57 years AFTER Mary died and was “assumed” into Heaven.

    As I read through Revelation…hold on, it’s gotta be here somewhere…hmm, nope, maybe…well, that’s odd….nothing about Mary having a throne in Heaven. In fact, I can’t seem to find anything AT ALL about Mary anywhere in Revelation–or, for that matter, Romans, 1st or 2nd Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians…

    Maybe it’s just me, but if Mary was such an important part of the “order of grace,” and knowing that the Holy Spirit breathed the words of Scripture into the writers, and knowing that the Holy Spirit IS God–don’tcha think He could have at least made a token mention of the “Queen of Heaven?”

    Was she a blessed woman–yes. Is she a model of devotion to the Lord? Yes. But I dare say, she has shed many tears over the centuries that Rome has been worshipping her.

    IndependentConservative reply on August 13th, 2008 at 3:05 pm :

    I’ve updated my post to note that 1 Timothy was written 20-30 years after Mary died. (Not 50-60 years as I previously had it.)

    Roman Catholics and other Mary deist enjoy trying to hack Revelation 12:1 as if it’s all about Mary. When it is pointed out to them that clearly the mention of a “crown of twelve stars” means it HAS TO BE TALKING ABOUT ISRAEL AS A NATION, not Mary as an individual, there’s so much spin from them that you’d think a tornado was near you.

    stan reply on August 13th, 2008 at 6:21 pm :

    Where can the date of Mary’s death be found?

    IndependentConservative reply on August 13th, 2008 at 7:04 pm :

    Hey Stan, the 3-15 years after Christ’s ascension figure is the one Roman Catholics themselves claim, in sources such as this one, that speaks of their proclaimed “Feast of the Assumption”.

    Really we don’t know when she died, but I figured for this post using the RC figure disarms any efforts to claim she might have been living when Paul wrote to Timothy. No excuse can be made that she was not yet gone and that could be a reason why Paul didn’t mention her. She was way gone, decades gone, nobody anywhere claims she was still around gone.

    stan reply on August 13th, 2008 at 7:15 pm :

    Thanks. I forgot about the Catholic Encyclopedia online. I got tired of researching through it a while ago because it was hard to follow. I ended up having to click on embedded links one after another to get anywhere. But, OK. That works for me.

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