Comments on: Todd Bentley, Baptising in the Name of the Father, Son and Bam. http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/07/25/todd-bentley-baptising-in-the-name-of-the-father-son-and-bam/ The Independent Conservative saying what needs to be said! Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:35:55 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: peacedaily http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/07/25/todd-bentley-baptising-in-the-name-of-the-father-son-and-bam/comment-page-1/#comment-10932 peacedaily Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:11:29 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/?p=2028#comment-10932 okay, I tried to find the article about the money todd bentley makes and I could not. I apologise, because I think I quoted an inaccurate statement. I try to be very careful to speak truth and back it up with evidence. I slipped on that one. thank you for the references on tithing. I am reading them now. The tithing teaching is so embedded in the church teaching it has been very difficult to overcome. When you say something to someone about it they treat you like you committed a travesty. They put such heavy guilt on people. Jesus said his yoke is easy and his burden light. Thanks for the helps okay, I tried to find the article about the money todd bentley makes and I could not. I apologise, because I think I quoted an inaccurate statement. I try to be very careful to speak truth and back it up with evidence. I slipped on that one. thank you for the references on tithing. I am reading them now. The tithing teaching is so embedded in the church teaching it has been very difficult to overcome. When you say something to someone about it they treat you like you committed a travesty. They put such heavy guilt on people. Jesus said his yoke is easy and his burden light. Thanks for the helps

]]> By: peacedaily http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/07/25/todd-bentley-baptising-in-the-name-of-the-father-son-and-bam/comment-page-1/#comment-10927 peacedaily Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:52:55 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/?p=2028#comment-10927 amen Thank you, perhaps I should not have written that about bentley without the web site, seems to me I read where there was a couple of million attached to his ministry. I will be more careful and yes I will try to find that article, if you find some information would you post also? amen Thank you, perhaps I should not have written that about bentley without the web site, seems to me I read where there was a couple of million attached to his ministry. I will be more careful and yes I will try to find that article, if you find some information would you post also?

]]> By: IndependentConservative http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/07/25/todd-bentley-baptising-in-the-name-of-the-father-son-and-bam/comment-page-1/#comment-10926 IndependentConservative Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:47:08 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/?p=2028#comment-10926 Hi peacedaily, You mentioned: <blockquote> Oh how I hunger for a real move of the Lord, but in my heart... </blockquote> Understand, that fact you are coming to know the truth about these scams is a real move of the Lord opening you to the truth about it. The Lord is moving and people are turning to Him in truth. When the Lord returns, He will set all things straight and subject all under His feet, evil only has a short time left. Once Satan saw Jesus die and rise from the dead, he knew the game was over - finished. <blockquote> Bentley now claims he is a millionaire. </blockquote> Do you have any links to any news sources mentioning Todd Bentley is now a millionaire? I'm not surprised, just want to see it. Regarding tithing, plenty here on that subject, see these posts: <a href="http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/06/23/one-carribean-pastor-sounds-the-alarm-about-the-church-tithing/" rel="nofollow">One Caribbean Pastor Sounds the Alarm About the Tradition of Man Known as “Church Tithing”.</a> <a href="http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/03/04/russ_kelly_tithe_cbs_news/" rel="nofollow">CBS News Covers the Man Contrived Scam Against Saints Called “Church Tithing”.</a> <a href="http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/11/23/tithe_hits_msm_wsj/" rel="nofollow">The Issue of Tithing Hits the MSM. WSJ Article “The Backlash Against Tithing”.</a> <a href="http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/03/08/reconsidering_tithing/" rel="nofollow">Reconsidering the Tithe.</a> <a href="http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/07/13/prosperity-cult-giving-chants/" rel="nofollow">Insane Prosperity Cult Giving Chants!</a> Plenty to read there ;) . Hi peacedaily,

You mentioned:

Oh how I hunger for a real move of the Lord, but in my heart…

Understand, that fact you are coming to know the truth about these scams is a real move of the Lord opening you to the truth about it. The Lord is moving and people are turning to Him in truth.

When the Lord returns, He will set all things straight and subject all under His feet, evil only has a short time left. Once Satan saw Jesus die and rise from the dead, he knew the game was over – finished.

Bentley now claims he is a millionaire.

Do you have any links to any news sources mentioning Todd Bentley is now a millionaire? I’m not surprised, just want to see it.

Regarding tithing, plenty here on that subject, see these posts:
One Caribbean Pastor Sounds the Alarm About the Tradition of Man Known as “Church Tithing”.
CBS News Covers the Man Contrived Scam Against Saints Called “Church Tithing”.
The Issue of Tithing Hits the MSM. WSJ Article “The Backlash Against Tithing”.
Reconsidering the Tithe.
Insane Prosperity Cult Giving Chants!

Plenty to read there ;) .

]]> By: IndependentConservative http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/07/25/todd-bentley-baptising-in-the-name-of-the-father-son-and-bam/comment-page-1/#comment-10925 IndependentConservative Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:37:27 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/?p=2028#comment-10925 If he does not repent, Bentley will find himself in a prison he'll never escape from, hell. With follow up in the lake of fire for eternity. Same with the others. If he does not repent, Bentley will find himself in a prison he’ll never escape from, hell. With follow up in the lake of fire for eternity. Same with the others.

]]> By: peacedaily http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/07/25/todd-bentley-baptising-in-the-name-of-the-father-son-and-bam/comment-page-1/#comment-10924 peacedaily Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:34:37 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/?p=2028#comment-10924 I do have another question, I haven't read all the blogs on here, and I don't want to start anything, i am just a grandma, but our family has been studying for quite sometime about the error of tithe teaching. It was so hard to embrace this as error, because they preached it so much that I was,,, I think almost brainwashed that it was a spiritual truth, after reading some of even Pastors online apologising for teaching tithe, their studies proving that tithe teaching is wrong. I was skeptical at first, but the more we studied the more we were convinced. The bad part is that the whole of christiandom teaches this, and the majority of the peoples are convinced. This has done damage to the body of Christ. We are indeed in need of an awakinging such as when Martin Luther wrote the famous words the "The Just Shall live by faith" how we need true Men of God to stand up and preach the truth. Oh how I hunger for a real move of the Lord, but in my heart I don't want stadiums, one man shows, but more like people seeking the Lord with their hearts like on the day of pentecost. They were of one mind and one accord. I personally don't agree with these so called ministers of the gospel having these big crusades, to much temptation for greed, arrogence, pride, selfish ambition to take over. And yes they are all millionaires taken from the backs of harding working people who are blindly trusting because they use God in their messages. Bentley now claims he is a millionaire. I know the Lord is going to move in a real way, because he said "The Gates of Hell won't prevail against his church" something is coming, I pray to stay faithful and true to my Savior and Lord Jesus Christ. from Joyce I do have another question, I haven’t read all the blogs on here, and I don’t want to start anything, i am just a grandma, but our family has been studying for quite sometime about the error of tithe teaching. It was so hard to embrace this as error, because they preached it so much that I was,,, I think almost brainwashed that it was a spiritual truth, after reading some of even Pastors online apologising for teaching tithe, their studies proving that tithe teaching is wrong. I was skeptical at first, but the more we studied the more we were convinced. The bad part is that the whole of christiandom teaches this, and the majority of the peoples are convinced. This has done damage to the body of Christ. We are indeed in need of an awakinging such as when Martin Luther wrote the famous words the “The Just Shall live by faith” how we need true Men of God to stand up and preach the truth. Oh how I hunger for a real move of the Lord, but in my heart I don’t want stadiums, one man shows, but more like people seeking the Lord with their hearts like on the day of pentecost. They were of one mind and one accord. I personally don’t agree with these so called ministers of the gospel having these big crusades, to much temptation for greed, arrogence, pride, selfish ambition to take over. And yes they are all millionaires taken from the backs of harding working people who are blindly trusting because they use God in their messages. Bentley now claims he is a millionaire. I know the Lord is going to move in a real way, because he said “The Gates of Hell won’t prevail against his church” something is coming, I pray to stay faithful and true to my Savior and Lord Jesus Christ. from Joyce

]]> By: peacedaily http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/07/25/todd-bentley-baptising-in-the-name-of-the-father-son-and-bam/comment-page-1/#comment-10923 peacedaily Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:21:20 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/?p=2028#comment-10923 Thank you independant conservative for your response, boy that is a good question? If they government starts locking up leaders of all cults, then they would start dictating what a cult is and it could lead to all kinds of problems, then the government would be in control. I sure don't agree with that. This is one area it seems that can't be legislated and the greedy filthy whoremongers take advantage of. Educating the peoples in churches perhaps should be done. Every church should teach what a cult is, the signs of a person like bentley and then when no one shows up for these false meetings they will leave. There are many whistle blowers now on the internet and I thank God for every one of them. The message must get out to the peoples. Also if the likes of kenneth copeland or creflo dollar or benny hinn gets audited and they are found in error some time in prison would show the people just how seduced and lied to. I have prayed much about this and will continue to do so. Thanks for your input Thank you independant conservative for your response, boy that is a good question? If they government starts locking up leaders of all cults, then they would start dictating what a cult is and it could lead to all kinds of problems, then the government would be in control. I sure don’t agree with that. This is one area it seems that can’t be legislated and the greedy filthy whoremongers take advantage of. Educating the peoples in churches perhaps should be done. Every church should teach what a cult is, the signs of a person like bentley and then when no one shows up for these false meetings they will leave. There are many whistle blowers now on the internet and I thank God for every one of them. The message must get out to the peoples. Also if the likes of kenneth copeland or creflo dollar or benny hinn gets audited and they are found in error some time in prison would show the people just how seduced and lied to. I have prayed much about this and will continue to do so. Thanks for your input

]]> By: IndependentConservative http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/07/25/todd-bentley-baptising-in-the-name-of-the-father-son-and-bam/comment-page-1/#comment-10922 IndependentConservative Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:40:24 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/?p=2028#comment-10922 <blockquote> I am not familiar with the laws in Canada where he is from. I do know that anyone in the US on the sexual preditor list is not allowed around children, so he would be violating the law. </blockquote> Keep in mind that such "lists" are not very old. So if he had committed his crimes in America, it would depend on where and when, if he were to ever have been placed on a "list". Today it's standard in I believe all states, so if he did it today in America he would certainly be on someone's list. But for example, here in my state of Tennessee, the sex offender registry did not start until 1995, nobody who was convicted and served their sentence before 1995 has ever had to register at all. They don't ever have to report to anyone, ever. <blockquote> How about assault on an elderly woman by kicking her in the face? Isn’t that assault and battery? and physically kicking others? Are they too afraid to call the police and turn Him in? Yes I think the ones in authority should be notified, because what the church does affects the people and the community. Untill the church starts dealing with sin, and bring prayer and genuine repentance, the law is going to be for the lawless even in the church.</blockquote> I can totally agree with you, that the Lakeland, FL DA should have pursued charges against Todd Bentley for assault. Whether or not those he assaulted were desiring to turn him in, we have video evidence of him committing and admitting to such criminal acts. So the DA in the area(s) he committed such crimes could press charges. That's about as far as we agree on the matter of a government body locking up Todd Bentley. <em>(I think)</em> Because he violated a criminal law in those cases. Beyond that, no I don't feel government should be involved, unless there is discovery or inquiry into management of the finances violating IRS rules. An inquiry into violation of a law. <blockquote> Yes I think the ones in authority should be notified, because what the church does affects the people and the community. Untill the church starts dealing with sin, and bring prayer and genuine repentance, the law is going to be for the lawless even in the church.</blockquote> The laws of man can't be used to lock up a man who baptized in the name of "Bam". Do you feel government should lock him up for that? Should the government lock up all leaders of all cults because they also teach false doctrines?

I am not familiar with the laws in Canada where he is from. I do know that anyone in the US on the sexual preditor list is not allowed around children, so he would be violating the law.

Keep in mind that such “lists” are not very old. So if he had committed his crimes in America, it would depend on where and when, if he were to ever have been placed on a “list”. Today it’s standard in I believe all states, so if he did it today in America he would certainly be on someone’s list.

But for example, here in my state of Tennessee, the sex offender registry did not start until 1995, nobody who was convicted and served their sentence before 1995 has ever had to register at all. They don’t ever have to report to anyone, ever.

How about assault on an elderly woman by kicking her in the face? Isn’t that assault and battery? and physically kicking others? Are they too afraid to call the police and turn Him in? Yes I think the ones in authority should be notified, because what the church does affects the people and the community. Untill the church starts dealing with sin, and bring prayer and genuine repentance, the law is going to be for the lawless even in the church.

I can totally agree with you, that the Lakeland, FL DA should have pursued charges against Todd Bentley for assault. Whether or not those he assaulted were desiring to turn him in, we have video evidence of him committing and admitting to such criminal acts. So the DA in the area(s) he committed such crimes could press charges.

That’s about as far as we agree on the matter of a government body locking up Todd Bentley. (I think) Because he violated a criminal law in those cases. Beyond that, no I don’t feel government should be involved, unless there is discovery or inquiry into management of the finances violating IRS rules. An inquiry into violation of a law.

Yes I think the ones in authority should be notified, because what the church does affects the people and the community. Untill the church starts dealing with sin, and bring prayer and genuine repentance, the law is going to be for the lawless even in the church.

The laws of man can’t be used to lock up a man who baptized in the name of “Bam”. Do you feel government should lock him up for that? Should the government lock up all leaders of all cults because they also teach false doctrines?

]]> By: peacedaily http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/07/25/todd-bentley-baptising-in-the-name-of-the-father-son-and-bam/comment-page-1/#comment-10921 peacedaily Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:29:00 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/?p=2028#comment-10921 I am not familiar with the laws in Canada where he is from. I do know that anyone in the US on the sexual preditor list is not allowed around children, so he would be violating the law. How about assault on an elderly woman by kicking her in the face? Isn't that assault and battery? and physically kicking others? Are they too afraid to call the police and turn Him in? Yes I think the ones in authority should be notified, because what the church does affects the people and the community. Untill the church starts dealing with sin, and bring prayer and genuine repentance, the law is going to be for the lawless even in the church. I am not familiar with the laws in Canada where he is from. I do know that anyone in the US on the sexual preditor list is not allowed around children, so he would be violating the law. How about assault on an elderly woman by kicking her in the face? Isn’t that assault and battery? and physically kicking others? Are they too afraid to call the police and turn Him in? Yes I think the ones in authority should be notified, because what the church does affects the people and the community. Untill the church starts dealing with sin, and bring prayer and genuine repentance, the law is going to be for the lawless even in the church.

]]> By: IndependentConservative http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/07/25/todd-bentley-baptising-in-the-name-of-the-father-son-and-bam/comment-page-1/#comment-10919 IndependentConservative Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:48:01 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/?p=2028#comment-10919 Hi peacedaily, Good you see Todd Bentley is false. I have a question though. <blockquote> ...perhaps we need to start emailing the governer down there or someone who will listen. </blockquote> Why would we call the government of man for a church matter? Everybody knows about Bentley's past as a child molester, so he's obviously not breaking any <em>(child welfare)</em> laws in what he's doing. This is not really an issue of the laws of man, unless he's found mishandling money that is supposed to be used under certain government charity guidelines. <em>(And he's keeping pretty tight about what's going on with the money. Has not given a detailed accounting yet. So who knows what he's doing with it.)</em> It is totally a matter of the church and saints needing to avoid a false teacher. See <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20thes%202&version=49" rel="nofollow">2 Thessalonians 2</a>, this was supposed to happen as messed up as it is and worse will come. We just hope for the day when the Lord returns and warn accordingly till then. But these kinds of things won't end, but increase as the Word of God says they will increase. Hi peacedaily,

Good you see Todd Bentley is false.

I have a question though.

…perhaps we need to start emailing the governer down there or someone who will listen.

Why would we call the government of man for a church matter? Everybody knows about Bentley’s past as a child molester, so he’s obviously not breaking any (child welfare) laws in what he’s doing.

This is not really an issue of the laws of man, unless he’s found mishandling money that is supposed to be used under certain government charity guidelines. (And he’s keeping pretty tight about what’s going on with the money. Has not given a detailed accounting yet. So who knows what he’s doing with it.) It is totally a matter of the church and saints needing to avoid a false teacher. See 2 Thessalonians 2, this was supposed to happen as messed up as it is and worse will come. We just hope for the day when the Lord returns and warn accordingly till then. But these kinds of things won’t end, but increase as the Word of God says they will increase.

]]> By: peacedaily http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/07/25/todd-bentley-baptising-in-the-name-of-the-father-son-and-bam/comment-page-1/#comment-10918 peacedaily Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:36:03 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/?p=2028#comment-10918 I posted at another writing in here on todd bentley, I would like to copy and post what I wrote,,,, I have been researching this bentley thing for several weeks, and I am in agreement that it is a false revival and the motive is money. There is a Utube video that shows bentley baptising a oriental woman in the name of Father Son and Holy Bam. This is total irreverant, and the leaders in that area should have shut the services down. The deception lies in the fact that he appears to be different because of the tatoos and casual t shirts, doesn’t prove that he is called or that he is of God. As a matter of fact if you look on the utube of bentleys bam baptisms you will see a shirt with 2 rattlesnakes intwined, you can only get this tshirt in a voodoo store online according to the person who researched it on utube. This is a dangerous deception. And bentley needs to be called in to accountability and this meeting shut down. And just came to my mind is also a utube of a little girl begging her mother not to let todd bentley touch her. This was so hard even to watch, I was grieved for days and I prayed for that precious little girl. May God help us, perhaps we need to start emailing the governer down there or someone who will listen. This is very dangerous, This guy needs to be shut down permenantly. He should never been allowed to be around children as he is an ex child molester. The church has been reduced as to who ever brings in the money is accepted. We visited a storefront church in Branson Mo, several years ago, and during the praise and worship, the leader would not let the Lord move, and I heard these words in my spirit,(selfish ambition) and I found it in the bible, warning after warning. Right now the prayer closet in our homes seems the safest place to be, till this evil is revealed for what it really is, at least I pray for the Lord to have mercy, when evil was revealed in the book of acts, the bible says fear and wonder came upon the people, oh how we need this to happen. Stand together in prayer till something happens. Help us dear Jesus to stay faithful to your truths and not waver. In Jesus name I posted at another writing in here on todd bentley, I would like to copy and post what I wrote,,,,
I have been researching this bentley thing for several weeks, and I am in agreement that it is a false revival and the motive is money.
There is a Utube video that shows bentley baptising a oriental woman in the name of Father Son and Holy Bam. This is total irreverant, and the leaders in that area should have shut the services down. The deception lies in the fact that he appears to be different because of the tatoos and casual t shirts, doesn’t prove that he is called or that he is of God. As a matter of fact if you look on the utube of bentleys bam baptisms you will see a shirt with 2 rattlesnakes intwined, you can only get this tshirt in a voodoo store online according to the person who researched it on utube. This is a dangerous deception. And bentley needs to be called in to accountability and this meeting shut down. And just came to my mind is also a utube of a little girl begging her mother not to let todd bentley touch her. This was so hard even to watch, I was grieved for days and I prayed for that precious little girl. May God help us, perhaps we need to start emailing the governer down there or someone who will listen. This is very dangerous, This guy needs to be shut down permenantly. He should never been allowed to be around children as he is an ex child molester. The church has been reduced as to who ever brings in the money is accepted. We visited a storefront church in Branson Mo, several years ago, and during the praise and worship, the leader would not let the Lord move, and I heard these words in my spirit,(selfish ambition) and I found it in the bible, warning after warning. Right now the prayer closet in our homes seems the safest place to be, till this evil is revealed for what it really is, at least I pray for the Lord to have mercy, when evil was revealed in the book of acts, the bible says fear and wonder came upon the people, oh how we need this to happen. Stand together in prayer till something happens. Help us dear Jesus to stay faithful to your truths and not waver. In Jesus name

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