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	<title>Comments on: Todd Bentley, No Real Healings and Being Exposed by ABCNews Causes Him to Take a Break!</title>
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		<title>By: peacedaily</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/07/15/todd-bentley-no-real-healings/comment-page-1/#comment-10916</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been researching this bentley thing for several weeks, and I am in agreement that it is a false revival and the motive is money.
 There is a Utube video that shows bentley baptising a oriental woman in the name of Father Son and Holy Bam.  This is total irreverant, and the leaders in that area should have shut the services down.  The deception lies in the fact that he appears to be different because of the tatoos and casual t shirts, doesn&#039;t prove that he is called or that he is of God.  As a matter of fact if you look on the utube of bentleys bam baptisms you will see a shirt with 2 rattlesnakes intwined, you can only get this tshirt in a voodoo store online according to the person who researched it on utube.  This is a dangerous deception.  And bentley needs to be called in to accountability and this meeting shut down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been researching this bentley thing for several weeks, and I am in agreement that it is a false revival and the motive is money.<br />
 There is a Utube video that shows bentley baptising a oriental woman in the name of Father Son and Holy Bam.  This is total irreverant, and the leaders in that area should have shut the services down.  The deception lies in the fact that he appears to be different because of the tatoos and casual t shirts, doesn&#8217;t prove that he is called or that he is of God.  As a matter of fact if you look on the utube of bentleys bam baptisms you will see a shirt with 2 rattlesnakes intwined, you can only get this tshirt in a voodoo store online according to the person who researched it on utube.  This is a dangerous deception.  And bentley needs to be called in to accountability and this meeting shut down.</p>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/07/15/todd-bentley-no-real-healings/comment-page-1/#comment-10902</link>
		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 01:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>firekeepDOTcom,

How long will you continue in delusion?  There are so many who have come to see the truth, while you continue promoting a heretic.  Not only do you promote him, you go to blog after blog, after blog defending &lt;b&gt;HIM&lt;/b&gt;.

Now about this latest video you&#039;ve posted while you still have yet to answer anything previously asked:

Regarding the guy that says he was deaf in an ear that opened up.  Please tell me his doctor&#039;s name?  I mean if the guy is healed, 1 verified out of masses that could not be verified does not speak well for a man who claims to have the gift of healing.  You know the little boy who went to Todd Bentley lame is not only still unable to walk straight, but was even falling down after he met Bentley.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/user/FirekeepDOTcom&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;But you still have that video on your own YouTube page.&lt;/a&gt;  No it&#039;s not Jesus and you know that boy was not healed because you&#039;ve seen the full investigation, but still deny it and promote the fraudulent.

Now please tell us who in scripture was a believer on the Lord Jesus Christ and fell BACKWARDS when hands were laid on them?

Some people said they don&#039;t want to kill themselves, and I guess you wish to credit Todd for this.  There are people who watch Oprah Winfrey and claim she kept them from wanting to kill themselves, does that make her godly?  Janet Jackson has fan mail of people who say they wanted to kill themselves till they listened to one of her songs that speaks of self affirmation, does this make Janet godly?

Laying hands on people in the name of &quot;boom&quot;?  And that is in your Bible where?

Have you researched the information I provided you about Bentley&#039;s supposed angel named &quot;Emma&quot;?  You do know he claims that &quot;angel&quot; is the one behind everything in Lakeland don&#039;t you?  

So Todd tells you he is &quot;anointed&quot; and came in the Lord&#039;s name.  Jesus warned you about fakes coming in such a manner.
&lt;b&gt;Matthew 7:22-23 (New American Standard Bible)&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
 22 &quot;Many will say to Me on that day, &#039;Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?&#039;

 23 &quot;And then I will declare to them, &#039;I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.&#039; 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&quot;Liquid love&quot;, is that in your Bible.  

&quot;Feel the heart of God beating over the stadium&quot;???  Which apostle said they felt the heart of God beating?  

&lt;a href=&quot;http://firekeep.com/firekeep_worship_podcast/2008/07/23/todd-bentley-denies-christ-came-in-the-flesh/#comment-176&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;LaVrai&#039;s response to you was very appropriate and very applicable to this man you continue to defend&lt;/a&gt;.  But when we continually show you that he&#039;s false, not just a &quot;little&quot; but WAY FALSE, you keep running to his defense, because he can recite the same statement even said by DEMONS.

He laid hands on people in the name of &quot;boom&quot;, you remember that!

The bottom line is, this charlatan promotes himself as having a gift to heal and despite that no full investigation can prove such, you keep promoting him.  Well he&#039;s got one thing for sure, your money and that of others, while everybody with an organic illness goes home sick.  He beats people up, lays hands in the name of &quot;boom&quot;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/07/25/todd-bentley-baptising-in-the-name-of-the-father-son-and-bam/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;baptizes in the name of &quot;bam&quot;&lt;/a&gt; and you come here, showing yet another video of his.  When you know, if we spoke with all those people who were sick, we&#039;d be hard pressed to find one person that could be confirmed as healed.  Men with the REAL &quot;gift of healing&quot; like the Apostles healed ALL that they prayed for, not a single miss when they had the gift of healing by the Holy Spirit.

&lt;b&gt;Acts 5:16 (New American Standard Bible)&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
 16 Also the people from the cities in the vicinity of Jerusalem were coming together, bringing people who were sick or afflicted with unclean spirits, and they were all being healed. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, Mr. &quot;Boom, Bam&quot; &lt;em&gt;(Todd Bentley)&lt;/em&gt; does NOT have the gift of healing!  And you just keep letting the &quot;Boom, Bam&quot; flim-flam slide.  Once upon a time, con men actually had to pay people to support their scams.  Bentley has people doing it for free willingly, because he&#039;s got you all charged about hope for something temporal.  I&#039;m sure if we looked at some testimonies of people who used snake oil, they&#039;d look like what we see from Todd Bentley endorsers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>firekeepDOTcom,</p>
<p>How long will you continue in delusion?  There are so many who have come to see the truth, while you continue promoting a heretic.  Not only do you promote him, you go to blog after blog, after blog defending <b>HIM</b>.</p>
<p>Now about this latest video you&#8217;ve posted while you still have yet to answer anything previously asked:</p>
<p>Regarding the guy that says he was deaf in an ear that opened up.  Please tell me his doctor&#8217;s name?  I mean if the guy is healed, 1 verified out of masses that could not be verified does not speak well for a man who claims to have the gift of healing.  You know the little boy who went to Todd Bentley lame is not only still unable to walk straight, but was even falling down after he met Bentley.  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/FirekeepDOTcom" rel="nofollow">But you still have that video on your own YouTube page.</a>  No it&#8217;s not Jesus and you know that boy was not healed because you&#8217;ve seen the full investigation, but still deny it and promote the fraudulent.</p>
<p>Now please tell us who in scripture was a believer on the Lord Jesus Christ and fell BACKWARDS when hands were laid on them?</p>
<p>Some people said they don&#8217;t want to kill themselves, and I guess you wish to credit Todd for this.  There are people who watch Oprah Winfrey and claim she kept them from wanting to kill themselves, does that make her godly?  Janet Jackson has fan mail of people who say they wanted to kill themselves till they listened to one of her songs that speaks of self affirmation, does this make Janet godly?</p>
<p>Laying hands on people in the name of &#8220;boom&#8221;?  And that is in your Bible where?</p>
<p>Have you researched the information I provided you about Bentley&#8217;s supposed angel named &#8220;Emma&#8221;?  You do know he claims that &#8220;angel&#8221; is the one behind everything in Lakeland don&#8217;t you?  </p>
<p>So Todd tells you he is &#8220;anointed&#8221; and came in the Lord&#8217;s name.  Jesus warned you about fakes coming in such a manner.<br />
<b>Matthew 7:22-23 (New American Standard Bible)</b></p>
<blockquote><p>
 22 &#8220;Many will say to Me on that day, &#8216;Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?&#8217;</p>
<p> 23 &#8220;And then I will declare to them, &#8216;I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.&#8217;
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<p>&#8220;Liquid love&#8221;, is that in your Bible.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Feel the heart of God beating over the stadium&#8221;???  Which apostle said they felt the heart of God beating?  </p>
<p><a href="http://firekeep.com/firekeep_worship_podcast/2008/07/23/todd-bentley-denies-christ-came-in-the-flesh/#comment-176" rel="nofollow">LaVrai&#8217;s response to you was very appropriate and very applicable to this man you continue to defend</a>.  But when we continually show you that he&#8217;s false, not just a &#8220;little&#8221; but WAY FALSE, you keep running to his defense, because he can recite the same statement even said by DEMONS.</p>
<p>He laid hands on people in the name of &#8220;boom&#8221;, you remember that!</p>
<p>The bottom line is, this charlatan promotes himself as having a gift to heal and despite that no full investigation can prove such, you keep promoting him.  Well he&#8217;s got one thing for sure, your money and that of others, while everybody with an organic illness goes home sick.  He beats people up, lays hands in the name of &#8220;boom&#8221;, <a href="http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/07/25/todd-bentley-baptising-in-the-name-of-the-father-son-and-bam/" rel="nofollow">baptizes in the name of &#8220;bam&#8221;</a> and you come here, showing yet another video of his.  When you know, if we spoke with all those people who were sick, we&#8217;d be hard pressed to find one person that could be confirmed as healed.  Men with the REAL &#8220;gift of healing&#8221; like the Apostles healed ALL that they prayed for, not a single miss when they had the gift of healing by the Holy Spirit.</p>
<p><b>Acts 5:16 (New American Standard Bible)</b></p>
<blockquote><p>
 16 Also the people from the cities in the vicinity of Jerusalem were coming together, bringing people who were sick or afflicted with unclean spirits, and they were all being healed.
</p></blockquote>
<p>No, Mr. &#8220;Boom, Bam&#8221; <em>(Todd Bentley)</em> does NOT have the gift of healing!  And you just keep letting the &#8220;Boom, Bam&#8221; flim-flam slide.  Once upon a time, con men actually had to pay people to support their scams.  Bentley has people doing it for free willingly, because he&#8217;s got you all charged about hope for something temporal.  I&#8217;m sure if we looked at some testimonies of people who used snake oil, they&#8217;d look like what we see from Todd Bentley endorsers.</p>
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		<title>By: firekeepDOTcom</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/07/15/todd-bentley-no-real-healings/comment-page-1/#comment-10901</link>
		<dc:creator>firekeepDOTcom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 00:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IC, if you believe you seek the truth.  I ask you to weigh this in the balance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8R4J6gUW2-I&amp;feature=related

I will still go back and address your questions at some point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IC, if you believe you seek the truth.  I ask you to weigh this in the balance.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8R4J6gUW2-I&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8R4J6gUW2-I&amp;feature=related</a></p>
<p>I will still go back and address your questions at some point.</p>
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		<title>By: truthintheselastdays</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/07/15/todd-bentley-no-real-healings/comment-page-1/#comment-10873</link>
		<dc:creator>truthintheselastdays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi sir, 

I left a comment on your blog pretty much echoing the words of my brothers IC and speakingtruth. You can pick and choose what tests the Bible present for the accuracy of any &quot;man of God&quot; - you have to apply them all together...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi sir, </p>
<p>I left a comment on your blog pretty much echoing the words of my brothers IC and speakingtruth. You can pick and choose what tests the Bible present for the accuracy of any &#8220;man of God&#8221; &#8211; you have to apply them all together&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/07/15/todd-bentley-no-real-healings/comment-page-1/#comment-10870</link>
		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know ST, if folks like firekeepDOTcom/Timothy understood that never in scripture did anyone claiming the Lord&#039;s Name ever &quot;fall backwards&quot; from the power of God and that IN SCRIPTURE only &lt;b&gt;evil doers&lt;/b&gt; FELL BACKWARDS, he&#039;d be well on his way to avoiding much mess, Bentley included.

I mean if Timothy could read something like this &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.letusreason.org/pent14%20.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;SLAIN IN THE SPIRIT&quot;&lt;/a&gt; and gain some understanding, he will better learn what &lt;b&gt;settle this based solely on the Word&lt;/b&gt; really means!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know ST, if folks like firekeepDOTcom/Timothy understood that never in scripture did anyone claiming the Lord&#8217;s Name ever &#8220;fall backwards&#8221; from the power of God and that IN SCRIPTURE only <b>evil doers</b> FELL BACKWARDS, he&#8217;d be well on his way to avoiding much mess, Bentley included.</p>
<p>I mean if Timothy could read something like this <a href="http://www.letusreason.org/pent14%20.htm" rel="nofollow">&#8220;SLAIN IN THE SPIRIT&#8221;</a> and gain some understanding, he will better learn what <b>settle this based solely on the Word</b> really means!</p>
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		<title>By: firekeepDOTcom</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/07/15/todd-bentley-no-real-healings/comment-page-1/#comment-10869</link>
		<dc:creator>firekeepDOTcom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IC, I will go through your questions above. Just give me some time :)

Thanks for the discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IC, I will go through your questions above. Just give me some time <img src='http://www.independentconservative.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thanks for the discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: speakingtruth</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/07/15/todd-bentley-no-real-healings/comment-page-1/#comment-10868</link>
		<dc:creator>speakingtruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen &lt;b&gt;IC&lt;/b&gt;!

All of Bentley&#039;s &quot;accusers&quot; have used the Word of God to expose his wickedness and deceit - &lt;a href=&quot;http://imspeakingtruth.wordpress.com/2008/07/14/todd-bently-is-a-demonic-liar/#comment-1104&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;and Timothy already knows that&lt;/a&gt;.

Nothing more needs to be said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen <b>IC</b>!</p>
<p>All of Bentley&#8217;s &#8220;accusers&#8221; have used the Word of God to expose his wickedness and deceit &#8211; <a href="http://imspeakingtruth.wordpress.com/2008/07/14/todd-bently-is-a-demonic-liar/#comment-1104" rel="nofollow">and Timothy already knows that</a>.</p>
<p>Nothing more needs to be said.</p>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/07/15/todd-bentley-no-real-healings/comment-page-1/#comment-10867</link>
		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, let&#039;s settle this based solely on the Word.  If a man comes claiming ANOTHER JESUS he is to be REJECTED, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=54&amp;chapter=11&amp;version=49&amp;context=chapter&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;2 Corinthians 11&lt;/a&gt;.

A man comes saying &quot;yea Jesus came in the flesh&quot; and you feel he&#039;s speaking of the real Jesus after he&#039;s beating people up, talking about nonexistent angels and glorifying himself?

Joseph Smith Junior who founded the cult known as Mormonism says Jesus came in the flesh too, but are you running to be a Mormon?  The Watchtower Society that runs the cult known as the &quot;Jehovah&#039;s Witnesses&quot; claims Jesus came in the flesh too, you seeking to be one of them?  A host of CULTS claim Jesus came in the flesh, it does not make them legitimate.

I asked you several questions in my comment above.  Do you mind looking at those questions and the links in detail to provide answers for my questions to you?  All of which are based on the Word versus what we see Todd Bentley doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, let&#8217;s settle this based solely on the Word.  If a man comes claiming ANOTHER JESUS he is to be REJECTED, <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=54&amp;chapter=11&amp;version=49&amp;context=chapter" rel="nofollow">2 Corinthians 11</a>.</p>
<p>A man comes saying &#8220;yea Jesus came in the flesh&#8221; and you feel he&#8217;s speaking of the real Jesus after he&#8217;s beating people up, talking about nonexistent angels and glorifying himself?</p>
<p>Joseph Smith Junior who founded the cult known as Mormonism says Jesus came in the flesh too, but are you running to be a Mormon?  The Watchtower Society that runs the cult known as the &#8220;Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses&#8221; claims Jesus came in the flesh too, you seeking to be one of them?  A host of CULTS claim Jesus came in the flesh, it does not make them legitimate.</p>
<p>I asked you several questions in my comment above.  Do you mind looking at those questions and the links in detail to provide answers for my questions to you?  All of which are based on the Word versus what we see Todd Bentley doing.</p>
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		<title>By: firekeepDOTcom</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/07/15/todd-bentley-no-real-healings/comment-page-1/#comment-10865</link>
		<dc:creator>firekeepDOTcom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s settle this based soley on the word.  Does anyone have any recordings of Todd either denying, or acknowledging that Jesus Christ came in the flesh?

1 John 4

 1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess that[a] Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s settle this based soley on the word.  Does anyone have any recordings of Todd either denying, or acknowledging that Jesus Christ came in the flesh?</p>
<p>1 John 4</p>
<p> 1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess that[a] Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.</p>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/07/15/todd-bentley-no-real-healings/comment-page-1/#comment-10845</link>
		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 03:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Firekeep,

&lt;blockquote&gt;
2 corinthians 8 is centered around almsgiving, and a gift given by a group of people for another that is merely stewarded by trustworthy individuals. Even so, it does not call for external investigation. It calls for integrity of the steward.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think you&#039;re missing the fact that Paul was ALWAYS OPEN to checks in the management of a gift.  It&#039;s not just noted in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20cor%208&amp;version=49&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;2 Corinthians 8&lt;/a&gt;, but in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%2016:3-4;&amp;version=49;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;1 Corinthians 16:3-4&lt;/a&gt; too.  Again, are we not to TEST &lt;b&gt;ALL&lt;/b&gt; THINGS?

Nobody in Rome outside of the church was concerned about how Paul was managing a gift, but if they were, do you not feel he would be open to their scrutiny?  To prove himself an honorable man to all who asked?  Paul said himself of one who desires to become an elder.

&lt;b&gt;1 Timothy 3:7 (New American Standard Bible)&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt; 7 And he must have a good reputation with those outside the church, so that he will not fall into reproach and the snare of the devil. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Do you not feel he would apply the same standard to himself if questioned about his managing of finances?

Regarding Jesus you mentioned:
&lt;blockquote&gt;
...his disciples who only stayed because they had learned through relationship with Him that He alone had the words of Life.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Was it relationship or God through the Holy Spirit, that let them know who He was, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2016:17;&amp;version=49;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Matthew 16:17&lt;/a&gt;?  It was not simply a matter of them hanging around Him, or how could Judas have ever been Judas?

The actions of Ezekiel, Hosea and Jesus are not comparable with kicking a woman in her face when we are explicitly warned about such in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Corinthians%2011:13-20;&amp;version=49;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;2 Corinthians 11:13-20&lt;/a&gt;.  You have nothing to support such actions from Todd Bentley.  And if you feel Todd Bentley is even near the level of Ezekiel or Hosea, you are woefully mistaken.

There are no female angels, to start claiming such is to add to scripture.  Never are angels shown to assume a feminine posture.  No it does not line up with scripture.  You might feel Todd does not exalt himself, but &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/07/20/todd-bentley-a-man-working-for-his-own-glory/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;evidence proves otherwise.&lt;/a&gt;

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As to the boy falling down.
...
Does that mean we are in error to pray for the ones who did not get healed, or they are frauds, or we are frauds? No. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sir, Todd Bentley claims the boy was healed and being healed right there on the stage, when in fact the boy was lame and remained that way.  This is the same Todd Bentley who claims he&#039;s see Jesus face to face and spoken to a female angel named Emma.

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The true fruit will stand up to the test, it is good to test.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Exactly, so he falsely speaks of a female angel, he does exalt himself and smile of people &quot;praising Todd and God&quot; (see the link above), no confirmed healings not that a confirmed healing would prove he&#039;s legitimate given false prophets bring sings and wonders of their own.

&lt;b&gt;Matthew 24:24 (New American Standard Bible)&lt;/b&gt;
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 24 &quot;For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

He does not spend his time preaching the truth, but mostly doing supposed healings, that never prove to be actual healings.

He&#039;s kicking people in the face.

What more does he need to do to show you he&#039;s false? Rob your house?  Well he does rob you in telling you to give him money as if he&#039;s legitimate, but what does he need to do in addition to all that already proves him to be false?

Tell me, do you believe &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/05/20/todd-bently-says-jesus-has-brown-eyse-like-bambi/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jesus has brown eyes like Bambi&lt;/a&gt;?  Do you believe that after the apostle Paul, another man by the name of Todd Bentley saw the risen Christ? That Jesus came down from the Right Hand of the Father, to show Todd His human form with brown eyes like &quot;Bambi&quot;?  Do you really believe that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Firekeep,</p>
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2 corinthians 8 is centered around almsgiving, and a gift given by a group of people for another that is merely stewarded by trustworthy individuals. Even so, it does not call for external investigation. It calls for integrity of the steward.
</p></blockquote>
<p>I think you&#8217;re missing the fact that Paul was ALWAYS OPEN to checks in the management of a gift.  It&#8217;s not just noted in <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20cor%208&amp;version=49" rel="nofollow">2 Corinthians 8</a>, but in <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%2016:3-4;&amp;version=49;" rel="nofollow">1 Corinthians 16:3-4</a> too.  Again, are we not to TEST <b>ALL</b> THINGS?</p>
<p>Nobody in Rome outside of the church was concerned about how Paul was managing a gift, but if they were, do you not feel he would be open to their scrutiny?  To prove himself an honorable man to all who asked?  Paul said himself of one who desires to become an elder.</p>
<p><b>1 Timothy 3:7 (New American Standard Bible)</b></p>
<blockquote><p> 7 And he must have a good reputation with those outside the church, so that he will not fall into reproach and the snare of the devil. </p></blockquote>
<p>Do you not feel he would apply the same standard to himself if questioned about his managing of finances?</p>
<p>Regarding Jesus you mentioned:</p>
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&#8230;his disciples who only stayed because they had learned through relationship with Him that He alone had the words of Life.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Was it relationship or God through the Holy Spirit, that let them know who He was, <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2016:17;&amp;version=49;" rel="nofollow">Matthew 16:17</a>?  It was not simply a matter of them hanging around Him, or how could Judas have ever been Judas?</p>
<p>The actions of Ezekiel, Hosea and Jesus are not comparable with kicking a woman in her face when we are explicitly warned about such in <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Corinthians%2011:13-20;&amp;version=49;" rel="nofollow">2 Corinthians 11:13-20</a>.  You have nothing to support such actions from Todd Bentley.  And if you feel Todd Bentley is even near the level of Ezekiel or Hosea, you are woefully mistaken.</p>
<p>There are no female angels, to start claiming such is to add to scripture.  Never are angels shown to assume a feminine posture.  No it does not line up with scripture.  You might feel Todd does not exalt himself, but <a href="http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/07/20/todd-bentley-a-man-working-for-his-own-glory/" rel="nofollow">evidence proves otherwise.</a></p>
<blockquote><p>
As to the boy falling down.<br />
&#8230;<br />
Does that mean we are in error to pray for the ones who did not get healed, or they are frauds, or we are frauds? No. </p></blockquote>
<p>Sir, Todd Bentley claims the boy was healed and being healed right there on the stage, when in fact the boy was lame and remained that way.  This is the same Todd Bentley who claims he&#8217;s see Jesus face to face and spoken to a female angel named Emma.</p>
<blockquote><p>
The true fruit will stand up to the test, it is good to test.</p></blockquote>
<p>Exactly, so he falsely speaks of a female angel, he does exalt himself and smile of people &#8220;praising Todd and God&#8221; (see the link above), no confirmed healings not that a confirmed healing would prove he&#8217;s legitimate given false prophets bring sings and wonders of their own.</p>
<p><b>Matthew 24:24 (New American Standard Bible)</b></p>
<blockquote><p>
 24 &#8220;For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.
</p></blockquote>
<p>He does not spend his time preaching the truth, but mostly doing supposed healings, that never prove to be actual healings.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s kicking people in the face.</p>
<p>What more does he need to do to show you he&#8217;s false? Rob your house?  Well he does rob you in telling you to give him money as if he&#8217;s legitimate, but what does he need to do in addition to all that already proves him to be false?</p>
<p>Tell me, do you believe <a href="http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/05/20/todd-bently-says-jesus-has-brown-eyse-like-bambi/" rel="nofollow">Jesus has brown eyes like Bambi</a>?  Do you believe that after the apostle Paul, another man by the name of Todd Bentley saw the risen Christ? That Jesus came down from the Right Hand of the Father, to show Todd His human form with brown eyes like &#8220;Bambi&#8221;?  Do you really believe that?</p>
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