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		<title>By: speakingtruth</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/07/13/prosperity-cult-giving-chants/comment-page-1/#comment-10772</link>
		<dc:creator>speakingtruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for the validation about your experiences with 9Marks &lt;b&gt;AndyB&lt;/b&gt;. I too visited a church that they recommended and was happy to see that they stood on firm biblical foundation and sound doctrine. I chose not to return to that church (logistics issues), but they definitly met the mark (no pun intended).

Also, &lt;b&gt;IC&lt;/b&gt; I agree - Spurgeon would be shocked to see the ascension of Hunt, but what can you do? I&#039;m contemplating doing a post on predestination since it&#039;s such a fundamental doctrine that most folks can&#039;t grasp &lt;em&gt;(&quot;I came to God, He didn&#039;t come to me!&quot;)&lt;/em&gt;. Not surprised that the &quot;female pastor/minister&quot; at CNB reacted the way that she did - Eddie pushes that &quot;little gods&quot; theory so predestination flies in the face of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for the validation about your experiences with 9Marks <b>AndyB</b>. I too visited a church that they recommended and was happy to see that they stood on firm biblical foundation and sound doctrine. I chose not to return to that church (logistics issues), but they definitly met the mark (no pun intended).</p>
<p>Also, <b>IC</b> I agree &#8211; Spurgeon would be shocked to see the ascension of Hunt, but what can you do? I&#8217;m contemplating doing a post on predestination since it&#8217;s such a fundamental doctrine that most folks can&#8217;t grasp <em>(&#8220;I came to God, He didn&#8217;t come to me!&#8221;)</em>. Not surprised that the &#8220;female pastor/minister&#8221; at CNB reacted the way that she did &#8211; Eddie pushes that &#8220;little gods&#8221; theory so predestination flies in the face of that.</p>
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		<title>By: AndyB</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/07/13/prosperity-cult-giving-chants/comment-page-1/#comment-10771</link>
		<dc:creator>AndyB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a little side-note about Mark Dever&#039;s 9marks.org - it&#039;s the site that helped me find the current church I&#039;m attending. While you&#039;ll want to investigate ANY congregation you consider joining, I can say for certain that 9marks is a good starting point to give you some leads.

In the meantime, keep your Berean ears on while in your current church. For about 8 or 9 months I attended my former church, making note of things that were off-kilter in sermons &amp; discussions, trying to see exactly where something was being misinterpreted, ripped out of context, eisegeted, etc (helps keep the ol&#039; iron sharp). It kept building up until the pastor openly endorsed the Lakeland &quot;Outpouring&quot; one Wednesday evening as &quot;a powerful move of God&quot;. Next Sunday, I was attending a different church :)

Also, if your family situation forbids you from attending services somewhere else, MAKE SURE that you&#039;re listening to some sound sermons/Godly-advice from somewhere. Grace to You, DesiringGod, Ligonier, the White Horse Inn, Way of the Master Radio - something to help counteract any &quot;sour milk&quot; you&#039;re getting on Sunday morning. Share these with your family, too (or play em loud enough for them to hear). And by ALL means, continue to read the Word on your own. Grab some pens and highlighters, take an epistle (I recommend 1 John) and read it completely through once a day and just dive into it. Going deep in God&#039;s Word is more refreshing that jumping into a swimming pool in mid-Summer ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a little side-note about Mark Dever&#8217;s 9marks.org &#8211; it&#8217;s the site that helped me find the current church I&#8217;m attending. While you&#8217;ll want to investigate ANY congregation you consider joining, I can say for certain that 9marks is a good starting point to give you some leads.</p>
<p>In the meantime, keep your Berean ears on while in your current church. For about 8 or 9 months I attended my former church, making note of things that were off-kilter in sermons &amp; discussions, trying to see exactly where something was being misinterpreted, ripped out of context, eisegeted, etc (helps keep the ol&#8217; iron sharp). It kept building up until the pastor openly endorsed the Lakeland &#8220;Outpouring&#8221; one Wednesday evening as &#8220;a powerful move of God&#8221;. Next Sunday, I was attending a different church <img src='http://www.independentconservative.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Also, if your family situation forbids you from attending services somewhere else, MAKE SURE that you&#8217;re listening to some sound sermons/Godly-advice from somewhere. Grace to You, DesiringGod, Ligonier, the White Horse Inn, Way of the Master Radio &#8211; something to help counteract any &#8220;sour milk&#8221; you&#8217;re getting on Sunday morning. Share these with your family, too (or play em loud enough for them to hear). And by ALL means, continue to read the Word on your own. Grab some pens and highlighters, take an epistle (I recommend 1 John) and read it completely through once a day and just dive into it. Going deep in God&#8217;s Word is more refreshing that jumping into a swimming pool in mid-Summer <img src='http://www.independentconservative.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: ncatina</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/07/13/prosperity-cult-giving-chants/comment-page-1/#comment-10768</link>
		<dc:creator>ncatina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me too, definitely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me too, definitely.</p>
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		<title>By: truthis</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/07/13/prosperity-cult-giving-chants/comment-page-1/#comment-10767</link>
		<dc:creator>truthis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>small churches align with the Alphapimps then drop goes the weasel.
One of the ministers came to me and said that I must have the anniversary money while i was walking out of the church-i was not working full time.Ok
Then there was a request to get him a luxury watch,then another request to purchase him a luxury car..a friend from another pulpit church warned it will be a mansion next. This happened to her she had to sign for his luxury vehicle at their church along with 6 members.She said that because he and his wife prayed for them thats the least they could do. So she warned me.. What??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>small churches align with the Alphapimps then drop goes the weasel.<br />
One of the ministers came to me and said that I must have the anniversary money while i was walking out of the church-i was not working full time.Ok<br />
Then there was a request to get him a luxury watch,then another request to purchase him a luxury car..a friend from another pulpit church warned it will be a mansion next. This happened to her she had to sign for his luxury vehicle at their church along with 6 members.She said that because he and his wife prayed for them thats the least they could do. So she warned me.. What??</p>
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		<title>By: rascoe1</title>
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		<dc:creator>rascoe1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Young1lookin4thetruth, the christian blogs and links suggested by IC have really helped me.  I have been comming to this blog about a year now and have been richly blessed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Young1lookin4thetruth, the christian blogs and links suggested by IC have really helped me.  I have been comming to this blog about a year now and have been richly blessed.</p>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spurgeon would probably die from a heart attack if he was alive and heard Johnny Hunt was the SBC &quot;President&quot; :D .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spurgeon would probably die from a heart attack if he was alive and heard Johnny Hunt was the SBC &#8220;President&#8221; <img src='http://www.independentconservative.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  .</p>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And young1lookin4thetruth, in the Bible, the words &quot;Bishop&quot;, &quot;pastor&quot; and &quot;Elder&quot; all mean the exact same thing.  It&#039;s just a pastor, nothing more.  Today pimps use the terms in various ways, to act like they mean something more if they claim a title like &quot;Bishop&quot;.  &lt;em&gt;(And if I want to hear from someone who actually was in the office of &quot;Apostle&quot; I read my Bible.)&lt;/em&gt;

Speakingtruth, you&#039;ve embraced reformed theology!  I&#039;ll say to you as Melvin Jones said to me &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/07/16/predestination/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;when I finally had to admit the reality of Predestination&lt;/a&gt;, welcome home brother :) .  And you know, I remember at Club New Birth, when I was part of Project Destiny and potential mentors would proclaim how they &quot;knew God was looking out&quot; for them even BEFORE they were saved, because they knew they had done some things that should have KILLED THEM BUT DID NOT.  And the &quot;Free Will&quot; female &quot;pastor/minister&quot; over the group would immediately interrupt the person giving their testimony to the group and proclaim &lt;em&gt;&quot;no God didn&#039;t have some special covering over you&quot;&lt;/em&gt; and the person &lt;em&gt;(and this happened with more than one)&lt;/em&gt; giving their testimony would respond saying &quot;but I KNOW God just had to be looking out because I SHOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD&quot;.  And the female minister being the &quot;leader&quot; of the group of course had to be allowed the last word.  But it&#039;s TRUE, God has to be keeping the elect alive till they repent!  Just granting enough patients so they can live another day till the moment He calls them to repentance.  And that makes perfect sense in relation to saints that feel God was somehow keeping them around just long enough to save their soul.

Regarding Johnny Hunt, we&#039;re just happy the SBC guidelines prevent the &quot;denomination&quot; from telling a local church what to preach.  I&#039;m personally not a big fan of &quot;denominations&quot; but at least in some cases they might let you know where a group stands on some issues.  Most of the SBC is not on board with the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/02/05/tulip/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Doctrines of Grace&lt;/a&gt; &lt;em&gt;these days&lt;/em&gt;.  &lt;em&gt;(Never mind what the documented statement of beliefs says, most don&#039;t believe it all.)&lt;/em&gt;  Not long ago ALL the messages of someone like Charles Haddon Spurgeon were warmly embraced by the SBC, but today you won&#039;t find many who honestly agree with his stance in favor of the doctrine of Predestination.  And Spurgeon was so in favor of Predestination, he called all &quot;Free Will&quot; teaching &quot;another gospel&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And young1lookin4thetruth, in the Bible, the words &#8220;Bishop&#8221;, &#8220;pastor&#8221; and &#8220;Elder&#8221; all mean the exact same thing.  It&#8217;s just a pastor, nothing more.  Today pimps use the terms in various ways, to act like they mean something more if they claim a title like &#8220;Bishop&#8221;.  <em>(And if I want to hear from someone who actually was in the office of &#8220;Apostle&#8221; I read my Bible.)</em></p>
<p>Speakingtruth, you&#8217;ve embraced reformed theology!  I&#8217;ll say to you as Melvin Jones said to me <a href="http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/07/16/predestination/" rel="nofollow">when I finally had to admit the reality of Predestination</a>, welcome home brother <img src='http://www.independentconservative.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  .  And you know, I remember at Club New Birth, when I was part of Project Destiny and potential mentors would proclaim how they &#8220;knew God was looking out&#8221; for them even BEFORE they were saved, because they knew they had done some things that should have KILLED THEM BUT DID NOT.  And the &#8220;Free Will&#8221; female &#8220;pastor/minister&#8221; over the group would immediately interrupt the person giving their testimony to the group and proclaim <em>&#8220;no God didn&#8217;t have some special covering over you&#8221;</em> and the person <em>(and this happened with more than one)</em> giving their testimony would respond saying &#8220;but I KNOW God just had to be looking out because I SHOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD&#8221;.  And the female minister being the &#8220;leader&#8221; of the group of course had to be allowed the last word.  But it&#8217;s TRUE, God has to be keeping the elect alive till they repent!  Just granting enough patients so they can live another day till the moment He calls them to repentance.  And that makes perfect sense in relation to saints that feel God was somehow keeping them around just long enough to save their soul.</p>
<p>Regarding Johnny Hunt, we&#8217;re just happy the SBC guidelines prevent the &#8220;denomination&#8221; from telling a local church what to preach.  I&#8217;m personally not a big fan of &#8220;denominations&#8221; but at least in some cases they might let you know where a group stands on some issues.  Most of the SBC is not on board with the <a href="http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/02/05/tulip/" rel="nofollow">Doctrines of Grace</a> <em>these days</em>.  <em>(Never mind what the documented statement of beliefs says, most don&#8217;t believe it all.)</em>  Not long ago ALL the messages of someone like Charles Haddon Spurgeon were warmly embraced by the SBC, but today you won&#8217;t find many who honestly agree with his stance in favor of the doctrine of Predestination.  And Spurgeon was so in favor of Predestination, he called all &#8220;Free Will&#8221; teaching &#8220;another gospel&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: speakingtruth</title>
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		<dc:creator>speakingtruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will do &lt;b&gt;rascoe1&lt;/b&gt; you &lt;em&gt;know&lt;/em&gt; I got your back :-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will do <b>rascoe1</b> you <em>know</em> I got your back <img src='http://www.independentconservative.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: rascoe1</title>
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		<dc:creator>rascoe1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ST, if you hear of one in the Snelville, loganville area, please share.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ST, if you hear of one in the Snelville, loganville area, please share.</p>
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		<title>By: rascoe1</title>
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		<dc:creator>rascoe1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Young1lookin4thetruth, you are correct in your deduction and the reason for their pimpish behavior is GREED, ENVY and keeping up with the Jones&#039;s.  Everyone wants to get a piece of the &quot;PIE&quot; that is called &quot;CHURCH&quot;, (you know our body is the temple/church).  In some cases the congregation might only be a few, but the desires of the &quot;mand of gawd&quot; and his &quot;first lady&quot; is to have a &quot;mega church&quot;, drive a bentley, live in a mansion, have his own plane and all the trappings you see in christiandom.  It is usually about numbers, entertainment and gimmicks, rather than the pure Word of God, because this pulls the crowd and as a result more money.  I too encourage you to read your Word continually, and as the Word instructs us, pray without ceasing, knowing that, the Holy Spirit who dwells in us, WILL teach you, guiding you into ALL truth .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Young1lookin4thetruth, you are correct in your deduction and the reason for their pimpish behavior is GREED, ENVY and keeping up with the Jones&#8217;s.  Everyone wants to get a piece of the &#8220;PIE&#8221; that is called &#8220;CHURCH&#8221;, (you know our body is the temple/church).  In some cases the congregation might only be a few, but the desires of the &#8220;mand of gawd&#8221; and his &#8220;first lady&#8221; is to have a &#8220;mega church&#8221;, drive a bentley, live in a mansion, have his own plane and all the trappings you see in christiandom.  It is usually about numbers, entertainment and gimmicks, rather than the pure Word of God, because this pulls the crowd and as a result more money.  I too encourage you to read your Word continually, and as the Word instructs us, pray without ceasing, knowing that, the Holy Spirit who dwells in us, WILL teach you, guiding you into ALL truth .</p>
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