Comments on: Prosperity Club of Nashville, TN – Mt. Zion Baptist Church Tells Women to Show Some Skin in July!

By: IndependentConservative

IndependentConservative — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 01:47:33 +0000

That’s a pretty rough ride, but better they learned on this side of life than the next.

By: anointedvesselAKAKenya

anointedvesselAKAKenya — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 22:30:04 +0000

Hey guys and I personally know of a church in my area that was a part of “full gospel” and that pastor pulled out. He was called a “son” and got the magic treatment or whatever that jazz was. He said, “them cat’s was crazy!” that whole congregation was in debt up to their eyeballs, Lincoln Navigators, Jaguars, Beamers, you name it, all had for sale signs on them once he pulled out. I think people finally felt they could be free, they no longer had to keep up the prosperous facade, all they had heard was materialistic pimp daddy based, I’m the center of the universe malarkey. Their bank accounts were dehydrated from all the “seed sewing”, the church accounts were too deflated to bail out the weakened flocks economic state. The pastor had been tricked into giving a lot of the churches reserve funding to his so called spiritual father, who had no need that I can see. This put them in the terrible position of not being able to dip into their benevolent fund to help those in need. Many families suffered (right in that congregation), and only God was able to bring them out. That poor church learned an expensive lesson at the hands of an agent of Satan himself.

By: speakingtruth

speakingtruth — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 20:56:19 +0000

You’re right IC – Morton had a severe nervous breakdown in 1998 and he had Eddie take over the denomination. By then, Eddie already had plans to extend the reach of CNB beyond Snapfinger Road – he was in the process of building “The Cathedral” and readying his “sons” to be fanned out across the country (he launched the first 2 satelite churches in 2001 – New Birth North and New Birth South).

In short, it was a money issue – Eddie was tired of pasing the basket for “full gospel” a few months out of the year, and he felt that he could do what Morton was doing…only better.

And don’t forget – Eddie’s sons are told to “tithe up” to him AND pay their annual licensing fee of $10K (or at least it was $10K when Andre Landers last paid it in 2004). Once you stop paying the licensing fee – you’re cut off from any official endorsement from “daddy” (google New Birth Memphis and New Birth Richmond – they’ve completely disappeared because they were struggling ministries who met in public schools and couldn’t afford to pay the fee). New Birth Memphis changed it’s name and no longer has anything to do with Eddie.

It’s a sordid web of garbage.

By: IndependentConservative

IndependentConservative — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:55:29 +0000

Yea in the post I linked about Morton I call him the unsung Kingpin of pulpit pimps, because he’s really the Kingpin, but just not as well known. In that post I detail it all though.

I don’t know if you recall, but once Morton had taken ill (I think it was illness, but whatever it was Morton was not able to name and claim any ability to well maintain things continually himself) and was having Eddie Long kind of play the lead role for much of the Full Gospel Baptist Fellowship. I think Morton even wanted Long to move into the Chairman spot, but Eddie said the job was taking too much of his time he wanted to devote to other things. So some time after that Eddie pulled out of the Full Gospel Baptist Fellowship totally. A founding member gone.

I suspect there were money issues at play behind the scenes, because like you said, Eddie got his own racket going with his “New Birth Family of Churches” and we know he sells each of them rights to use the “New Birth” graphics and such. So he keeps control of an inflow of money without any other “bishops” having any say in things.

Then Long started calling Jakes “father” and such.

By: speakingtruth

speakingtruth — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:26:56 +0000

BTW, IC - I think it's safe to call Paul Morton an Alpha Pimp at this point. Anytime you can create your own denomination AND "ordain" bishops, overseers, superintendents, buthers, bakers and candlestick makers, et al - then you've reached prime time. TD and Eddie better catch up (although Eddie has his own New Birth Family of Churches racket going on).

By: anointedvesselAKAKenya

anointedvesselAKAKenya — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 12:07:06 +0000

So I guess “abstain from the very appearance of evil”, 1 Thes. 5:22 just got kicked to the curb. If there is one place where people should dress with decency and class it is church. Now I’m not saying you have to wear a skirt all the way to the floor and a shirt buttoned up to your nose, but dressing like you do anywhere else ie: tight fitting jeans, cleavage revealing shirts, thongs showing low cut jeans and others nonsense should be checked at the door. I have seen so called seasoned Saint’s wear these items to church and I think some of this may be out of the desperation that has occurred in the black church. There presently is an epidemic of single black sisters who are educated and stable who suddenly can’t find counterparts, where are those counterparts? In jail, dead, gay, acting like boys “wearing throw back jerseys like suits”.(whoops off topic sorry) So yah casual Sunday was probably born out of “good intentions” to bring about a relaxed atmosphere and to stop the show like atmosphere that got a lot of people in debt and made church a fashion show. Sadly as is most situations, you give folks an inch and they will take a country mile. I say to this church “Either you set some standards with your casual Sundays or just get rid of them”. Sometimes I can see why Muslims just threw a sheet over their women…God No! I don’t agree with their treatment of women and I am not about to go and buy a burka, but I can understand to a certain extent what they where trying to accomplish. I guess the Taliban was the reverse of what we are seeing at this church.. I guess you could call it one extreme versus another. Extremes clearly don’t work, but a modest approach can always save the day!

By: speakingtruth

speakingtruth — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:53:50 +0000

Brother, Pimp Joe came to Andre’s club here last year and you’re right – he’s definitely a Paul Morton servant. I was channel surfing Friday night and ran across his “youth conference” on The Word Network. This pimp had 13 year old girls STANDING ON SPEAKERS AND DANCING SUGGESTIVELY while the “choir” sang holy hip-hop. I had to rub my eyes and ask my wife to look just to make sure I wasn’t seeing things. And he was standinf on the front row watching and grinning!

I mean, they were “breaking it down”.

So, I’m not surprised at Pimp Joe at all…