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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/06/25/death-for-a-child-rapist-is-not-cruel/comment-page-1/#comment-10547</link>
		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 18:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both are terrible and neither will see my vote.

John McCain has said he&#039;s OK with Roe v. Wade as is.  McCain said to the San Francisco Chronicle in 1999:
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But certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade, which would then force X number of women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations.
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Now he claims otherwise when it&#039;s opportune.  The same man who was the foundation of the &quot;Gang of 14&quot;, that ensured LESS real Conservative judges would advance.

If you want to embrace his lies, go right ahead.

The anchor babies he allows in illegally and gives citizenship will pick up any population slack!

And &lt;a href=&quot;http://youtube.com/watch?v=gjbuoUhhUJQ&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;McCain Favors Embryonic Stem Cell Research&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/05/15/gas-prices-john-mccain/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Who Helped Keep Your Gas Prices High By Not Promoting Enough Domestic Oil Drilling? John McCain!&lt;/a&gt;

Anti-gasoline, it&#039;s McCain&#039;s fault we&#039;re in the shape we are in.  His along with others.

Support of terrorist regimes, McCain is a bigger supporter of them than Republicans know, but the Democrats know it, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=109&amp;STORY=/www/story/04-23-2007/0004571633&amp;EDATE=&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;DNC: McCain Retools Double Talk on Energy and Environment&lt;/a&gt;.
Again, consider the company a man keeps.  He proposes more drilling just when we happen to have enough Liberals in Congress to ensure domestic drilling won&#039;t expand much.

Israel agenda!  America already has a military that is overtaxed.  &lt;b&gt;We do not need to go fighting more wars right now for Israel.&lt;/b&gt;  I repeat, &lt;b&gt;we do not need to go fighting more wars right now for Israel.&lt;/b&gt;  Iran is Israel&#039;s immediate concern and a war with Iran is not something the USA can afford at the moment in terms of money or manpower.  And yes giving our current state I have had to come to admitting that fact.

Energy policies.  While McCain has made some proposals that sound good, he&#039;s going to be doing all that the tree hugging Liberals want.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/06/04/mccain_obama_junk_science/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Both John Sidney McCain III and Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. are Using Junk Science to Play Americans for Fools!&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/06/01/bad-idea-alert-john-mccain-league-of-democracies/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bad Idea Alert! John McCain Desires His Own Form of United Nations, the “League of Democracies”. As if Yet Another Globalist Group is a Good Thing.&lt;/a&gt;

Weaker economy, weaker military, just wait and see how our military and economy look if rushing to war with Iran for Israel happens.  Our guys are already pulling more tours than they were expecting to do as it is.

Fairness doctrine, with weak hand McCain has with judges after his &quot;Gang of 14&quot; stunt, I don&#039;t expect him to do so well with the FCC.

John McCain is OK with states having &quot;Hate crimes&quot; laws, but they are all unconstitutional, he won&#039;t say that.  They all violate equal protection, because if a Black man shoots me and calls me the N-word it&#039;s OK, but if a White man does it, hate crime.  That&#039;s unequal.

But if McCain wins I&#039;ll be proven right.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c&amp;watch_response&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;McCain&#039;s YouTube Problem Just Became a Nightmare&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both are terrible and neither will see my vote.</p>
<p>John McCain has said he&#8217;s OK with Roe v. Wade as is.  McCain said to the San Francisco Chronicle in 1999:</p>
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But certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade, which would then force X number of women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations.
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<p>Now he claims otherwise when it&#8217;s opportune.  The same man who was the foundation of the &#8220;Gang of 14&#8243;, that ensured LESS real Conservative judges would advance.</p>
<p>If you want to embrace his lies, go right ahead.</p>
<p>The anchor babies he allows in illegally and gives citizenship will pick up any population slack!</p>
<p>And <a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=gjbuoUhhUJQ" rel="nofollow">McCain Favors Embryonic Stem Cell Research</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/05/15/gas-prices-john-mccain/" rel="nofollow">Who Helped Keep Your Gas Prices High By Not Promoting Enough Domestic Oil Drilling? John McCain!</a></p>
<p>Anti-gasoline, it&#8217;s McCain&#8217;s fault we&#8217;re in the shape we are in.  His along with others.</p>
<p>Support of terrorist regimes, McCain is a bigger supporter of them than Republicans know, but the Democrats know it, <a href="http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=109&amp;STORY=/www/story/04-23-2007/0004571633&amp;EDATE=" rel="nofollow">DNC: McCain Retools Double Talk on Energy and Environment</a>.<br />
Again, consider the company a man keeps.  He proposes more drilling just when we happen to have enough Liberals in Congress to ensure domestic drilling won&#8217;t expand much.</p>
<p>Israel agenda!  America already has a military that is overtaxed.  <b>We do not need to go fighting more wars right now for Israel.</b>  I repeat, <b>we do not need to go fighting more wars right now for Israel.</b>  Iran is Israel&#8217;s immediate concern and a war with Iran is not something the USA can afford at the moment in terms of money or manpower.  And yes giving our current state I have had to come to admitting that fact.</p>
<p>Energy policies.  While McCain has made some proposals that sound good, he&#8217;s going to be doing all that the tree hugging Liberals want.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/06/04/mccain_obama_junk_science/" rel="nofollow">Both John Sidney McCain III and Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. are Using Junk Science to Play Americans for Fools!</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/06/01/bad-idea-alert-john-mccain-league-of-democracies/" rel="nofollow">Bad Idea Alert! John McCain Desires His Own Form of United Nations, the “League of Democracies”. As if Yet Another Globalist Group is a Good Thing.</a></p>
<p>Weaker economy, weaker military, just wait and see how our military and economy look if rushing to war with Iran for Israel happens.  Our guys are already pulling more tours than they were expecting to do as it is.</p>
<p>Fairness doctrine, with weak hand McCain has with judges after his &#8220;Gang of 14&#8243; stunt, I don&#8217;t expect him to do so well with the FCC.</p>
<p>John McCain is OK with states having &#8220;Hate crimes&#8221; laws, but they are all unconstitutional, he won&#8217;t say that.  They all violate equal protection, because if a Black man shoots me and calls me the N-word it&#8217;s OK, but if a White man does it, hate crime.  That&#8217;s unequal.</p>
<p>But if McCain wins I&#8217;ll be proven right.</p>
<p><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c&amp;watch_response" rel="nofollow">McCain&#8217;s YouTube Problem Just Became a Nightmare</a></p>
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		<title>By: SteelGator</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/06/25/death-for-a-child-rapist-is-not-cruel/comment-page-1/#comment-10545</link>
		<dc:creator>SteelGator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using IC&#039;s standards, he can&#039;t vote for any one.  McCain is bad....Obama is worse.

Whether one wants to believe it or not, every vote will count.  A vote against McLame is a vote for Obama and his evil Marxist agenda.  This includes expanding the right of women to kill their children, support for terrorist regimes, an appeasement mentality that history has shown fails, an anti-Israel agenda, anti-gasoline and failed left winged energy policies, higher taxes, weaker economy, weaker military, pro &quot;fairness doctrine&quot;, pro hate crime legislation (meaning pastors can be throw in jail for preaching the Word of God)...etc, etc, etc.

I know we won&#039;t agree, but it is what it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using IC&#8217;s standards, he can&#8217;t vote for any one.  McCain is bad&#8230;.Obama is worse.</p>
<p>Whether one wants to believe it or not, every vote will count.  A vote against McLame is a vote for Obama and his evil Marxist agenda.  This includes expanding the right of women to kill their children, support for terrorist regimes, an appeasement mentality that history has shown fails, an anti-Israel agenda, anti-gasoline and failed left winged energy policies, higher taxes, weaker economy, weaker military, pro &#8220;fairness doctrine&#8221;, pro hate crime legislation (meaning pastors can be throw in jail for preaching the Word of God)&#8230;etc, etc, etc.</p>
<p>I know we won&#8217;t agree, but it is what it is.</p>
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		<title>By: rascoe1</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/06/25/death-for-a-child-rapist-is-not-cruel/comment-page-1/#comment-10535</link>
		<dc:creator>rascoe1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 04:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, what can I say.  We will not agree on everything, (smile)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, what can I say.  We will not agree on everything, (smile)</p>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/06/25/death-for-a-child-rapist-is-not-cruel/comment-page-1/#comment-10534</link>
		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 03:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you should consider &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqAOxflHPR0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the company a man keeps.&lt;/a&gt;  Whether or not this nation has a death penalty is a minor concern in comparison.

See you feel Obama is really bad and McCain is just bad, I see them both as equally very bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you should consider <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqAOxflHPR0" rel="nofollow">the company a man keeps.</a>  Whether or not this nation has a death penalty is a minor concern in comparison.</p>
<p>See you feel Obama is really bad and McCain is just bad, I see them both as equally very bad.</p>
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		<title>By: rascoe1</title>
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		<dc:creator>rascoe1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 03:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IC, every vote will count. One vote for McCane, whether we like him or not, means a vote against Barack Obama.  What do you think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IC, every vote will count. One vote for McCane, whether we like him or not, means a vote against Barack Obama.  What do you think.</p>
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		<title>By: SteelGator</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/06/25/death-for-a-child-rapist-is-not-cruel/comment-page-1/#comment-10530</link>
		<dc:creator>SteelGator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 21:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The following article is along these lines.  I must post the entire article because it came to me via email and I do not have a link to post.  Gary Bauer is the author.

Building A Permanent Liberal Majority? 

There is a very disturbing report today from the Washington, D.C. news outfit Politico. According to this report, Barack Obama’s campaign intends to invest heavily in states that George W. Bush won in 2004. That’s not news. Obviously, he would have to switch one or two key states, like Florida or Ohio, in order to win in the Electoral College. But what is news is that the campaign plans to target not just one or two states, but 16 states! This report explains why the Obama campaign has decided that $84 million in public financing isn’t enough to run for president. Obama isn’t just running for the White House! 

While some conservatives are thinking our movement can “win by losing” in November, they are deluding themselves. George Soros and the radical Left are focused on the long-term impact of this campaign, and they are furiously working to build a permanent liberal majority. They see Barack Obama’s candidacy as the perfect opportunity to boost liberal turnout and swamp conservatives at the ballot box, from the top of the ticket all the way down to dog catcher. 

This massive and extraordinarily sophisticated effort will require tremendous amounts of money and manpower, and $84 million wouldn’t allow the Obama campaign to target states like Virginia, North Carolina, Montana, North Dakota, Indiana, Georgia, Texas, Wyoming -- even Alaska, which hasn’t voted for a Democrat presidential nominee since 1964. 

Obama’s deputy campaign manager, Steve Hildebrand, said, “Texas is a great example of where we might not be able to win the state, but we want to pay a lot of attention to it. It’s one of the most important redistricting opportunities in the country.” As Politico noted, Democrats only need to pick up five seats in both chambers of the Texas Legislature in order to control redistricting after the 2010 census, which could totally alter the political landscape in Texas and send half a dozen new Democrats to Congress in 2012. 

The Obama campaign is also targeting states with key Senate contests, like Colorado, New Mexico and North Carolina. In fact, Barack Obama recently sent out a fundraising appeal for the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, in which he wrote, “…a new president isn’t enough. I’ve served long enough in the U.S. Senate to know that … big changes don’t happen without big Senate majorities. …This November, we have a chance to create a Democratic Senate majority like we haven’t seen in decades…” 

Some who think we could “bounce back” in 2010 or 2012 like we did in 1994 are literally gambling with our nation’s future, and that’s a risk I am not willing to take. The radical Left, the pro-abortion groups and the militant homosexual movement have absolutely no intention of letting us dig ourselves out from under the liberal landslide that threatens to bury us this November. Let me give you some idea of what will happen. 

Just yesterday, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi made it absolutely clear that she fully supports the Orwellian-named “Fairness Doctrine,” which would shut down conservative talk radio and force Rush Limbaugh and Dr. James Dobson off the air. Don’t think it can’t happen! The liberals did it once before and they’ll do it again. 

Freedom of speech and religious liberty will be curtailed after the expanded liberal majority in Congress passes so-called “hate crimes laws” silencing pastors and pro-family organizations, like this one, that are fighting the homosexual agenda. Our courts will be packed with ACLU radicals, and same-sex “marriage” will be forced on every state in the union by judicial fiat. Christian business and ministries will be forced to hire homosexuals and offer benefits to their “married” partners. 

Don’t believe me? Come to Washington, D.C., tomorrow and sit in on the House Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee meeting as it holds the first congressional hearings ever on transgender discrimination. Oh, by the way, as a result of the 2006 elections that swept Democrats into power, for the first time in our nation’s history, Congress now has a “Lesbian, Gay, Bi-sexual and Transgender Equality Caucus” comprised of 52 members of the House of Representatives – 50 of the Democrats! 

As I have said before, the Left isn’t trying to win merely an election. It is trying to destroy our movement. Politics and the pursuit of power is the Left’s “religion,” and millions of liberal Americans are literally tithing to leftwing candidates, like Barack Obama, and to other political causes. 

That’s why two of the largest political action committees in America are the pro-abortion group Emily’s List and the radical anti-war group MoveOn.org. And it does not bode well for the future of our nation that two of the largest, most well-funded political organizations are dedicated to death and defeat! 

My friends, the result of this election is not a foregone conclusion. The Left didn’t give up in 2000 or 2004. It’s worth noting that John Kerry got more votes for president than any other candidate in American history – except for George W. Bush. The Kerry campaign did everything it had to do to win, and he might be sitting in the Oval Office today except for you! Pro-life, pro-family Americans turned out in droves to defend faith, family and freedom, and they changed history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The following article is along these lines.  I must post the entire article because it came to me via email and I do not have a link to post.  Gary Bauer is the author.</p>
<p>Building A Permanent Liberal Majority? </p>
<p>There is a very disturbing report today from the Washington, D.C. news outfit Politico. According to this report, Barack Obama’s campaign intends to invest heavily in states that George W. Bush won in 2004. That’s not news. Obviously, he would have to switch one or two key states, like Florida or Ohio, in order to win in the Electoral College. But what is news is that the campaign plans to target not just one or two states, but 16 states! This report explains why the Obama campaign has decided that $84 million in public financing isn’t enough to run for president. Obama isn’t just running for the White House! </p>
<p>While some conservatives are thinking our movement can “win by losing” in November, they are deluding themselves. George Soros and the radical Left are focused on the long-term impact of this campaign, and they are furiously working to build a permanent liberal majority. They see Barack Obama’s candidacy as the perfect opportunity to boost liberal turnout and swamp conservatives at the ballot box, from the top of the ticket all the way down to dog catcher. </p>
<p>This massive and extraordinarily sophisticated effort will require tremendous amounts of money and manpower, and $84 million wouldn’t allow the Obama campaign to target states like Virginia, North Carolina, Montana, North Dakota, Indiana, Georgia, Texas, Wyoming &#8212; even Alaska, which hasn’t voted for a Democrat presidential nominee since 1964. </p>
<p>Obama’s deputy campaign manager, Steve Hildebrand, said, “Texas is a great example of where we might not be able to win the state, but we want to pay a lot of attention to it. It’s one of the most important redistricting opportunities in the country.” As Politico noted, Democrats only need to pick up five seats in both chambers of the Texas Legislature in order to control redistricting after the 2010 census, which could totally alter the political landscape in Texas and send half a dozen new Democrats to Congress in 2012. </p>
<p>The Obama campaign is also targeting states with key Senate contests, like Colorado, New Mexico and North Carolina. In fact, Barack Obama recently sent out a fundraising appeal for the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, in which he wrote, “…a new president isn’t enough. I’ve served long enough in the U.S. Senate to know that … big changes don’t happen without big Senate majorities. …This November, we have a chance to create a Democratic Senate majority like we haven’t seen in decades…” </p>
<p>Some who think we could “bounce back” in 2010 or 2012 like we did in 1994 are literally gambling with our nation’s future, and that’s a risk I am not willing to take. The radical Left, the pro-abortion groups and the militant homosexual movement have absolutely no intention of letting us dig ourselves out from under the liberal landslide that threatens to bury us this November. Let me give you some idea of what will happen. </p>
<p>Just yesterday, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi made it absolutely clear that she fully supports the Orwellian-named “Fairness Doctrine,” which would shut down conservative talk radio and force Rush Limbaugh and Dr. James Dobson off the air. Don’t think it can’t happen! The liberals did it once before and they’ll do it again. </p>
<p>Freedom of speech and religious liberty will be curtailed after the expanded liberal majority in Congress passes so-called “hate crimes laws” silencing pastors and pro-family organizations, like this one, that are fighting the homosexual agenda. Our courts will be packed with ACLU radicals, and same-sex “marriage” will be forced on every state in the union by judicial fiat. Christian business and ministries will be forced to hire homosexuals and offer benefits to their “married” partners. </p>
<p>Don’t believe me? Come to Washington, D.C., tomorrow and sit in on the House Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee meeting as it holds the first congressional hearings ever on transgender discrimination. Oh, by the way, as a result of the 2006 elections that swept Democrats into power, for the first time in our nation’s history, Congress now has a “Lesbian, Gay, Bi-sexual and Transgender Equality Caucus” comprised of 52 members of the House of Representatives – 50 of the Democrats! </p>
<p>As I have said before, the Left isn’t trying to win merely an election. It is trying to destroy our movement. Politics and the pursuit of power is the Left’s “religion,” and millions of liberal Americans are literally tithing to leftwing candidates, like Barack Obama, and to other political causes. </p>
<p>That’s why two of the largest political action committees in America are the pro-abortion group Emily’s List and the radical anti-war group MoveOn.org. And it does not bode well for the future of our nation that two of the largest, most well-funded political organizations are dedicated to death and defeat! </p>
<p>My friends, the result of this election is not a foregone conclusion. The Left didn’t give up in 2000 or 2004. It’s worth noting that John Kerry got more votes for president than any other candidate in American history – except for George W. Bush. The Kerry campaign did everything it had to do to win, and he might be sitting in the Oval Office today except for you! Pro-life, pro-family Americans turned out in droves to defend faith, family and freedom, and they changed history.</p>
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		<title>By: SteelGator</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteelGator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 21:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like I (and other conservatives) have said millions of times.....Elections have consequences.  Two of the liberals on the Supreme Court (2 that ruled in this case) are probably going to step down in the next 4 years.  If that is the case, do you really want Obama replacing them with 2 more radical leftist that think our Constitution and protection of children are irrelevant?

If Obama wins in November that is ensuring that these type rulings and worse will shape our country for the next 30+ years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I (and other conservatives) have said millions of times&#8230;..Elections have consequences.  Two of the liberals on the Supreme Court (2 that ruled in this case) are probably going to step down in the next 4 years.  If that is the case, do you really want Obama replacing them with 2 more radical leftist that think our Constitution and protection of children are irrelevant?</p>
<p>If Obama wins in November that is ensuring that these type rulings and worse will shape our country for the next 30+ years.</p>
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