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	<title>Comments on: Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them.  Fellowship Of The Martyrs is Best Avoided. (*Updated*)</title>
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		<title>By: rascoe1</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/06/12/fotm_exposed_part2/comment-page-1/#comment-10373</link>
		<dc:creator>rascoe1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 12:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My brothers I agree with you both. The last thing you want to do, is to cross that thin line between information giving and gossiping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My brothers I agree with you both. The last thing you want to do, is to cross that thin line between information giving and gossiping.</p>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/06/12/fotm_exposed_part2/comment-page-1/#comment-10371</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We also have to remain mindful of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&amp;chapter=20&amp;verse=19&amp;version=49&amp;context=verse&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Proverbs 20:19&lt;/a&gt;.  If I&#039;m the guy running around trying to pull up all the information that is otherwise hidden and pulling people to tell me stuff because someone suggested I do it, than I&#039;m the guy seeking dirt and slander and gossip.  On the other hand, if someone speaks about their own experience than it&#039;s their testimony of what was previously private.  I have not asked them for anything.  If it&#039;s reported in the news, I have not asked for anything.  If it&#039;s published on the Internet, I have not asked for anything.  I&#039;m just saying what is already public.

It&#039;s one thing to expose evil that we know of and another to fall into gossip and things hidden that we only know about from hearsay.  And with things like this, I don&#039;t like fronting for other people, because these are SERIOUS charges and allegations and it&#039;s not like these people have been busted for years for this kind of thing.  I mean if these guys had been known for years for this sort of thing, perhaps somebody else coming forward to me directly I might post it. But breaking what was hidden and not known of before about a person&#039;s character, the person with the intel needs to tell their story.

These women came forward on their own and told their stories themselves and there are several witnesses.  So I have no problem posting it.

And with criminal activity, somebody needs to contact the police.  I know one person has already contacted police in Liberty, MO about some of the content in that video.  Let the police figure out if there was child molestation, that&#039;s their area of expertise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We also have to remain mindful of <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&amp;chapter=20&amp;verse=19&amp;version=49&amp;context=verse" rel="nofollow">Proverbs 20:19</a>.  If I&#8217;m the guy running around trying to pull up all the information that is otherwise hidden and pulling people to tell me stuff because someone suggested I do it, than I&#8217;m the guy seeking dirt and slander and gossip.  On the other hand, if someone speaks about their own experience than it&#8217;s their testimony of what was previously private.  I have not asked them for anything.  If it&#8217;s reported in the news, I have not asked for anything.  If it&#8217;s published on the Internet, I have not asked for anything.  I&#8217;m just saying what is already public.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s one thing to expose evil that we know of and another to fall into gossip and things hidden that we only know about from hearsay.  And with things like this, I don&#8217;t like fronting for other people, because these are SERIOUS charges and allegations and it&#8217;s not like these people have been busted for years for this kind of thing.  I mean if these guys had been known for years for this sort of thing, perhaps somebody else coming forward to me directly I might post it. But breaking what was hidden and not known of before about a person&#8217;s character, the person with the intel needs to tell their story.</p>
<p>These women came forward on their own and told their stories themselves and there are several witnesses.  So I have no problem posting it.</p>
<p>And with criminal activity, somebody needs to contact the police.  I know one person has already contacted police in Liberty, MO about some of the content in that video.  Let the police figure out if there was child molestation, that&#8217;s their area of expertise.</p>
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		<title>By: speakingtruth</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/06/12/fotm_exposed_part2/comment-page-1/#comment-10370</link>
		<dc:creator>speakingtruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;And I will say, for anyone reading this who has come to me in the past saying “I know of pastor so and so having an affair and women who will talk about it.” (Seeking for me to investigate and present the information.) You should take it upon yourself/yourselves to present your case as these witnesses have done. Rather than seeking to have me present your case for you.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Amen brother.

Like you, I don&#039;t mind getting a lead that I can investigate and corroborate (if the Lord wills), but I&#039;m growing tired of refuting attempts to &quot;expose&quot; someone with my blog. 

Saints need to understand that we&#039;re all commissioned with exposing God&#039;s enemies (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians%205:6-11%20;&amp;version=49;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ephesians 5:6-11&lt;/a&gt;). The bloggers take the harassment for putting factual information out there, but the weight should be shared by all of us who claim the Name of the Lord. It ain&#039;t easy getting threats of violence or litigation, but it&#039;s a small price to pay to proclaim the Gospel and expose false teachers.

This FOTM cult is dangerous because they (like a good pimp) use &lt;em&gt;just enough&lt;/em&gt; truth to draw you in and trap you in their communal living. These escapees are brave for (1)getting away and (2) warning others.

They&#039;re not feeding their stories to bloggers...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>And I will say, for anyone reading this who has come to me in the past saying “I know of pastor so and so having an affair and women who will talk about it.” (Seeking for me to investigate and present the information.) You should take it upon yourself/yourselves to present your case as these witnesses have done. Rather than seeking to have me present your case for you.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Amen brother.</p>
<p>Like you, I don&#8217;t mind getting a lead that I can investigate and corroborate (if the Lord wills), but I&#8217;m growing tired of refuting attempts to &#8220;expose&#8221; someone with my blog. </p>
<p>Saints need to understand that we&#8217;re all commissioned with exposing God&#8217;s enemies (<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians%205:6-11%20;&amp;version=49;" rel="nofollow">Ephesians 5:6-11</a>). The bloggers take the harassment for putting factual information out there, but the weight should be shared by all of us who claim the Name of the Lord. It ain&#8217;t easy getting threats of violence or litigation, but it&#8217;s a small price to pay to proclaim the Gospel and expose false teachers.</p>
<p>This FOTM cult is dangerous because they (like a good pimp) use <em>just enough</em> truth to draw you in and trap you in their communal living. These escapees are brave for (1)getting away and (2) warning others.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re not feeding their stories to bloggers&#8230;</p>
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