I have a great friend that shared stories of our last pastor similiar to what IC has described regarding Eddie Long. He was also very heavily involved with and in the ministry, having a great degree of biblical knowledge in his own right. At one point, he was very close to this pastor; started out quite humble. As time moved forward, my friend discovered very subtle and disturbing changes with this pastor. As the congregation, and his name recognitiion grew, so did the pastor’s ego. (Theologically speaking, the man is very abrasive in his delivery, but, from my knowledge, does not promote homosexuality.) Needless to say, humility was no longer a part of this pastor’s character leading him to leave the congregation.

This leads into the point of the process of breaking the spirits of people when new people join the group. All manner of inidividual thoughts, opinions and methods are taught to be squashed for the sake of “…being on one accord.” If you do not conform, you are a dissenter, rebel and a cast-off. I read the most recent post IC placed on the board yesterday concerning Long’s involvement with Soulforce. In it, it contains DL Foster’s letter to Long including the insulting treatment he received from other “leaders” when inquiring about the Long/Soulforce meeting. This mirrors the treatment my friend endured with our last pastor.

These are all examples of pride from which, I understand, leads to a great fall.

Such churches do nothing to help develop individuals within these congregations. They are desgined to amass and train people undiscerening and ill prepared to see and confront the obvious self-aggrandizing ways and methods of the “leaders.” Favor is gained by the “leadership” consummate to the person’s ability to unquestionably align themselves to the beliefs and doctrines (even if anti-biblical, but made to look otherwise) of the institution, as well as give over inumerable amounts of time, money and energy to the cause. It is at this point that the audiences are prime to receive apostasy.

I pray with the start of each Sunday morning that God opens the eyes of those caught in these abominable systems. It is so sorely needed.

At this point, I would not surprised if all you mentioned would be received for a “meeting”. I figure the polygamists will be next, then the beast lovers and after that the “Christian” wing of NAMBLA!

What about a “Christian” Bestiality group??

Or a “Christian” pedophile group?? (Talk about “Suffer the children”)

How about a “Christian” polygamy group??

A “Christian” S&M group??

Can someone tell me what the difference is between meeting with a “Christian” gay group and any of these other groups??

Puzzled in Palm Beach

Those under the delusion of money doctrines need to wake up. What they are going to lose is going to be far worse and more eternal than money if they keep making money their god. And even any of them that have Christ while entertaining gross error, they’ll suffer loss in the kingdom of God, 1 Corinthians 3:11-15. The “prosperity doctrine” at best inverts what true prosperity is.

rascoe1 – I never heard of that group, but when a group can’t take care of its own, we can’t even begin to talk about them reaching out to others. Sounds like a group that’s headed for the wrong side of Matthew 25:31-46. That ends in the lake of fire. Good you got out. Because any pastor there will have a lot to answer for come judgement if they do not repent. And you would not want any of that evil misleading you in how you conduct yourself.

I’m just saying, even if you were a guy who wore muscle shirts on a regular basis. If you KNEW you were entering a room full of homosexual men (homosexual men who are not trying to seek deliverance from it one bit), would you wear your muscle shirt to show yourself off that day?

I mean even if I was “that type of guy”, to be into fitness and trying to show off my body. And if I was a pulpit pimp false teaching and spreading heresies to thousands. Personally I’d have the AC cranked up full blast and enter the room in a baggy full suit .

Kyle