A very good message. (About 30 minutes in length.)
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May 22nd, 2008 at 5:22 am
Good show, but IC, are you aware of Mr. Dart’s Armstrongite beliefs by any chance?
healtheland reply on May 22nd, 2008 at 2:55 pm :
Well, these are Dart’s stated beliefs.
http://www.rondart.com/Confession.htm
This is a link from a ministry that opposes Dart.
http://www.fiery-dart.org/pages/1/index.htm
From the above source and from other sources, apparently Dart was a longtime member of a Worldwide Church of God ministry discredited through sex scandals (Garner Ted Armstrong) and other problems, and of the Church of God. The link above acknowledges that he left GTA, but claims “NOT REALLY” since he still allegedly teaches many of their doctrines. They also make a big deal of the fact that Dart was in Armstrong’s ministry for 17 years, leaving out the fact that Dart not only did leave but did so 13 years ago. They state “maybe he has changed … maybe he has repented”, which indicates that they have no evidence that he HASN’T other than Dart’s statements that he believes in keeping the Old Testament and the Jewish feasts. They commit the same usual error of calling it “legalism”, that of failing to recognize that what Paul called legalism in Galatians and elsewhere was the claim that following the law was necessary for salvation. I have no idea when and where the idea came from that “legalism” consists either A) insisting on holiness or B) VOLUNTARILY keeping a partial set of the Jewish law.
I have to say that I did briefly investigate Dart (something that I do for all ministries that I put on my site after having been burned by the modalist gnostic Shepherd’s Chapel of Arkansas) and did not find a thing on him prior to now. So no, I did not know of Dart’s affiliation with Armstrong, but rather his own beliefs as stated on his website. I should point out that I find no real difference between his beliefs and those of contemporary Messianic Judaism. If anything, his is Messianic Judaism lite for Gentiles, since he keeps virtually none of the 613 … only the 10 Commandments and the festivals. More importantly, Dart does not appear to be following the teachings of the Talmud or the other rabbinic Jewish writings that most Messianic Jews still heavily reference despite acknowledging that it is not inspired.
As to the Ten Commandments, though, there is no debate that Christians have to unconditionally observe 9 of them, the only remaining being the Sabbath. Romans makes it clear that it is fine to keep the Sabbath if you so choose, so there is no problem there. As far as the Jewish festivals go … my goodness which are more Biblical … the Jewish feasts not only mentioned in the Old Testament around whom the ministry and major events of the life of Jesus Christ and the founding of the church centered on, or Christmas, New Year’s, Thanksgiving, July 4th, Easter (especially considering that in the west we join the Catholics in celebrating it on the wrong day!) etc.? Even if my reading of legalism from Galatians is wrong, I say the legalism preached by Dart through the observance of Old Testament feasts versus the paganism/secularism of the 99.9% of churches that celebrate pagan, secular, government, or Catholic holidays that have nothing to do with the Bible is 6 of one and half a dozen of the other. As a matter of fact, one were to pick one side to err on, I would err on the Biblical feasts.
It would be one thing if Dart were still a member of Armstrong’s church, but as he isn’t I honestly find nothing in his current doctrines and teachings that qualify as heresy.
healtheland reply on May 22nd, 2008 at 3:01 pm :
My “that he believes in keeping the Old Testament” above should be “that he believes in keeping the Ten Commandments.” Really, since Biblical Christianity hold that we should keep 9 of the 10 because of the 9 being specifically re – stated as being sins at various points in the New Testament, it should have read “that he believes in keeping the Sabbath.”
IndependentConservative reply on May 22nd, 2008 at 3:27 pm :
I did not know these things about Ronald Dart either.
Just the same the message is sound. A little soft even, given he feels Obama has somehow changed his ways. When Obama is nothing but the latest politician on the block, gaming and doing what publicans do.
See: Why Presidential Candidate Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. Honestly is Not a Christian.
and
Looks Like Barack Hussein Obama Jr. has Been Spewing Heresy for a Long Time! (*Updated*)
Plus another related post: Doing All They Can to Avoid Calling it the Shedding of Innocent Blood That it is.
And those who were drinking that poisoned Black Liberation Theology, for the most part they are still there in mass promoting the same heresy.