Now I’m thinking “oh no, did they put gnostic garbage into Speed Racer too???”! I have not seen it yet, just been thinking about it.

Stan, you are a movie maker’s dream customer. They all tap various religions and often try to toss a few things in that they hope all kinds of people of various faiths will see something in. Just to hook you, for your money of course.

LOL. I guess so. However, they don’t get my money, per se. I don’t go to the movies. I only watch them if they’re on my cable service.

Some of the movies I watch are for entertainment and the others for the study of the subject matter and/or human nature. In the latter kind, I watch them in a detached state of mind with biblical passages going through my mind. One of the most common verses I end up thinking about is Luke 6:24 because of the affluence being displayed in most movies.

The problem with nearly all of them anymore is that I get too bored to watch them through. So, I’m most likely to watch one if I am working on the computer for the office or typing documents. I find I can’t just deliberately watch one without getting antsy and bored pretty quickly.

Given the inverted view sees “light in man” that can basically make man “God”, the explanation in the write-up makes sense, in Antichrist terms that is. The agents saw man had greater power than even their leader Smith (evil christ figure), so they were upset about that. It seems to work with Joe’s explanation. Keep in mind pagans don’t really see Jesus as God. Which is why the inverted Satanic view feels they can defeat Christ.

Are you sure that Agent Smith could be explained away as just one of many archons, when he had powers that were superior to all the other agents?

Good question. No, I can’t say I am sure, it is just an opinion. Here is what the article says about it, which I find interesting:

And the power of the mother [Sophia, in our analogy, humankind] went out of Yaldabaoth [AI] into the natural body which they had fashioned [the humans grown on farms by AI]… And in that moment the rest of the powers [archons / Agents ] became jealous, because he had come into being through all of them and they had given their power to the man, and his intelligence ["mind"] was greater than that of those who had made him, and greater than that of the chief archon [Agent Smith?]. And when they recognized that he was luminous, and that he could think better than they… they took him and threw him into the lowest region of all matter [simulated by the Matrix]. (Apocry. of John 19-20)

I can see the author’s point, but I confess I am not always adept at performing autopsies on movies to discover their secret meanings. Pastor Joe and the authors of the article you linked do a much better job than I could hope to do.

Sometimes I draw very Christian analogies from movies that probably did not mean to present such a world view. Art often uses the eye of the beholder to make up his own interpretation even if it is far from the author’s intentions. I can do that. For example, I remember watching the 1946 version of “Great Expectations” and I was stunned at some of the biblical lessons I saw in the movie.

Are you sure that Agent Smith could be explained away as just one of many archons, when he had powers that were superior to all the other agents? I don’t know how many of the Matrix movies you saw (don’t tell anybody I saw them all), but Smith had powers that were way beyond the others and he sought to be all powerful himself. Even once having a man’s body in the movie’s “real” world, which Neo (the one, Antichrist) killed.

I went to one of the movies with some friends and when they showed the “party in Zion” one friend was certain the creators of the movie desired it to be a massive scene of hedonism and were only held back for the sake of a desired movie rating. I didn’t really “get it” back then (I realized the “prayer” was anti-christ though), but he was right. It was supposed to be all out hedonism and basically a false view of hell. As if hell will be a big “party”.

It all relates to the inverted Gnostic symbolism of course. It seems Smith would fit Schimmel’s description, but I could be wrong. It does not seem Smith would fit anywhere else when viewing his role in the totality of all the Matrix movies in full.

In my uninformed views of the Matrix, I saw Neo in a quasi-Christ role, seeking to save people from their sins and the delusions that they lived in, unaware of their true condition of being dead like those humans being farmed in stylized sarcophagi.

The Oracle, though, I found so absurd and double-tongued that I found myself telling her to please shut up. (Yes, I sometimes talk to characters on screen; but don’t tell anyone. I’d be embarrassed if anyone else knew )

In the video, the pastor (Joe Schimmel) says that Agent Smith is an inverted Christ, i.e., putting Jesus Christ in the role of an evil and eventually defeated personality. I can’t quite agree. I believe the article better explains the Gnostic symbolism of Smith: These Agents are akin to the jealous archons created by Yaldabaoth who block the ascent of the Gnostic as he/she tries to leave the material realm and guard the gates of the successive levels of heaven.

http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com/rl_cmp/new_phil_wakeup.html

I’m on my second reading of the article. Part of my ease with reading it is my familiarity with Irenaeus, an Anti-Nicene Father that Pastor Joe refers to, who wrote extensively about the religion of the Gnostics in order to explain its details so that he could demolish its absurdities. His work is called “Against Heresies,” a long, masterful work of apologetics and theology. His value comes not only from his formidable knowledge, but also from his temporal and spiritual closeness to the original apostles – a fact that exudes from every chapter of his wonderful work. http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103.htm

I have seen it quite a few times, trying to see what it was trying to say;

You too uh ? (To our shame…)

Yea I was trying to figure all the messages out and finally found that write-up when doing a deep review of their web site years ago.

Once I realized they had a view of a “flawed God”…that helped me see things were afoul in la-la land.

In the Star Wars DVD Trilogy box set, they have a disk titled “Toplining is Empire of Dreams: The Story of the Star Wars Trilogy”. It includes coverage of the “religious” aspects of the movie. Let’s just say, it helped me see things were afoul in la-la land even when I was a child. (You know we always like to feel things were better when we were kids. And Star Wars was like the first “super” movie of my childhood.)

1. Hollywood is “Hollyweird” and is on its way to hell.

2. Every sin against God is a “sacrament” for the enemy. Holiness is “Godly Chic” (my new term).

3. Tighten up my game on the things I watch and listen to. I was already getting uncomfortable with the level of new age filth being spewed forth by Hollyweird, but now, moreso.

4. Read, Read, Read the Word of God and hold onto as much of it as possible. This is the anti-venom to the world’s deception.

5. Pray for the lost to come to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ. They are so deceived, that they don’t even know that they are lost.

Ok, stepping down off my soapbox.