Comments on: Credit Cards and Usury in America

By: Theopolitan

Theopolitan — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:23:54 +0000

A few comments:

1) An elastic, fiat currency violates the law of just weights and measures under the 8th Commandment.
2) Usury directly violates the 8th Commandment.
3) The imposition of involuntary debt on the innocent is sinful, therefore is a violation of God’s law and cannot be justified under any circumstances.
4) All involuntary debt must be repudiated before any nation can find favor with Christ our Lord — that is not to say that other sins are acceptable, but certainly no, common, institutional, or national sin of any kind is compatible with the kingdom of God.
5)The example is clear: don’t just stop usury from this point forward….. give it all back… even the 1%……Justice demands that a victim of theft must be made whole! —–“Please, give back to them this very day their fields, their vineyards, their olive groves and their houses, also the hundredth part of the money and of the grain, the new wine and the oil that you are exacting from them.”
6) America must repent and do justice, protect and defend the innocent, acknowledge the sovereignty of Christ in all things. Absent this, she will be dismantled brick by brick and tossed in the dust bin of history. None can save her from destruction except the obedience of faith in Christ the Lord.

By: speakingtruth

speakingtruth — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:15:11 +0000

I stand corrected about Deut. 15:6 – and my view of our place in this economy. I still find myself “squeezing” the WOF stuff out of my system, and I’m still surprised at how much it shaped my thinking.

I’m free of the plantation, but I’m still working on renewing my mind…thanks for your help.

By: IndependentConservative

IndependentConservative — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:39:13 +0000

Hey speakingtruth, Deuteronomy 15:6 does not apply to our dispensation of grace as it did the nation of Israel. With money, we are supposed to be content with simply basic needs met, 1 Timothy 6. We Christians are not at all promised that before the Lord's return we would lend money to nations. The nations are being consumed under the control of the Anti-Christ, so it would be oxymoronic for nations to be in debt to saints. They are under the influence of the god of this world, Satan, 2 Corinthians 4:3-4. What we offer is something greater than money, we share the message of salvation in the Lord Jesus Christ. Our Lord's kingdom is not of this world, John 18:36. Money of this world is the wealth of unrighteousness, while we work towards building up heavenly rewards, Luke 16:9. That's not to say being earthly rich is evil in its self, but for us this life is as vapor and we simply live monetarily as the Lord wills, James 4:13-17. The monetary system of this world is to be ruled by our adversary, some day it will not even be accessible to us and only used by those who take the mark of the beast, Revelation 13:11-18.

By: speakingtruth

speakingtruth — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:09:06 +0000

This is another glimpse of our future in America. Sadly, many Christians keep assisting in this debacle by funding (on credit) not only their opulent lifestyles, but the lifestyles of their pulpit pimp. All of these new beautiful churches aren't being built on the donations of their members (otherwise they wouldn't look like they do). No, they're built on "giving campaigns" that only pay the monthly mortgage instead of paying for the edifice outright. Doesn't the bible say that we're supposed to lend to nations? Then, the pimp lies and says "look at how good God is". God is good, but do we really think that He is pleased when we adopt a corrupt world system and go to them to fund these massive "houses of worship" so that we can "testi-lie"? Kyle is right - the consumer debt bubble will burst soon, but do you think these pimps will help their congregation when the going get's tough? I think not.

By: IndependentConservative

IndependentConservative — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:04:18 +0000

The Federal Reserve is like ancient alchemist. They create something of value out of nothing.

It’s sad, but so funny .

And unlike Bear Sterns don’t expect the Fed to bail you out for pennies on the dollar.

You got that right. Run from debt as best you can. The average consumer is doing a circus stunt with no net.

This debt snowball is not going to just melt and vanish, it’s going to hit us, because we are the ones being given the load of all these bailouts.

By: KyleAndrews

KyleAndrews — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 07:00:46 +0000

70% of our economy is consumer driven and much of that is by debt. We recently have entered a period where as a whole we have negative savings. In other words our debt exceeds our bank deposits. The real question that needs to be answered is how long can we do this. The Federal Reserve is like ancient alchemist. They create something of value out of nothing. Like them we too as consumers are surrounded by things which have “value” but were purchased with IOUs or credit. As long as the game of fiat money creation can be maintained then we can and will continue. However, we are seeing stresses in the system where consumers can no longer pay back their debt load. And unlike Bear Sterns don’t expect the Fed to bail you out for pennies on the dollar. When the “personal” credit bubble bursts that will be the time when we will call our currency. We are not far off. That being said, the Fed has begun it’s corporate welfare scheme and may be able to avert a major economic catastrophe this time. We will be the ones paying for it. That being said if we avert the BIG ONE this time around the next one will hit us because that is going to be the consumer debt bubble. FYI, 1980s Savings and Loans, 1990s Telecom-Internet, 2000s Housing Crises, Very soon Consumer debt implosion. The time gap between this fiasco we are in and the Consumer debt bubble collapse is going to be short. But in the mean time the Fed “may” have averted the Big One this time around. Not so next time.

Kyle