The deluded race cult known as Trinity United Church of Christ is on a PR campaign. I thought perhaps under new leadership they might show humility, but they are becoming more brazen. They are trying to show MORE of the clips from their former “senior pastor” Jeremiah A. Wright Wrong, hoping it somehow condones his reprobate statements, such as G-d D**** America. They figure if you see what he said BEFORE that media replayed statement, that you’ll feel better about it.
Well, here’s what they are putting out, the video of Jeremiah A. Wright Wrong saying G-d D**** America and what he said before that. This is video a TUCC member has put out. I don’t know how high up the chain of their leadership this effort goes, but we know their new “senior pastor” is standing by the old one and so members acting in defense of the reprobate statements was bound to happen.
So without more delay, here’s Jeremiah A. Wright Wrong and what he said BEFORE he said G-d D**** America.
OK, so I saw more and I still can’t square a pastor saying G-d D**** America with this.
Romans 13:1-5 (New American Standard Bible)
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Or this.
Romans 12:14 (New American Standard Bible)
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Ah, God says BLESS AND DO NOT CURSE! So regardless of the plethora of historical accounts, or claims of evil in the present administration, BLESS AND DO NOT CURSE. Of course scripture is speaking about persecution for the cause of Christ, while Jeremiah A. Wrong focuses on race, but if he’s claiming to be a minister of the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ, BLESS AND DO NOT CURSE. If the new pastor and congregation support Christ over man DO NOT CONDONE YOUR OLD PASTOR CURSING ANY NATION.
As Christians, our aim is to bless and pray that sinners come to repentance.
In the above clip, I also found it interesting how Jeremiah A. Wrong was so laudatory to Bill Clinton, yet in other video he was just the opposite.
And look who was patting Jeremiah A. Wrong on the back for that statement, the new “senior pastor” Otis Moss, III.
The bottom line is, that race cult says whatever makes the crowd jump. All the common negative emotions of the area are not cut off, but rather enhanced by their “church”. I can’t say they represent what goes on in most Black churches I’ve been to, because regardless of any criticism I’ve said of any pastor, not until Jeremiah A. Wrong did I hear one say things like G-d D**** America and simulate “ridin’ dirty” in the pulpit 
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1 Peter 2:13-17 (New American Standard Bible)
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Trinity United Church of Christ, where is your honor? You see that institutions of man fail and they even fail when your favored Liberal politicians are in office. Your duplicitous positions on Bill Clinton prove that. But if you put Christ before all, use your pulpit as a place of ministry of the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ and Him Alone.
1 Timothy 2:1-6 (New American Standard Bible)
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God Bless Trinity United Church of Christ, God Bless America, God Bless everyone.
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March 24th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
YEAH, that clears it up to cuss out America, (from the pulpit no less).
What part of this was suppose to lead me to Christ?
Where is the love we are to show are brothers in this 6 minute rant?
Should I be cheering about someone cursing the country (though flawed) that I love?
America has a troubled history, and in the last 50 years it has made great strides. Its not at all complete but it has gotten a lot better.
But to hear Rev. WRONG you whould think that we were still in segregation and getting worse.
I already have issues with the “BLACK” church. (cant seem to find the verse that says we are to divide the church by races)
The entire video does not change my view of Rev. Wrong as a bitter(though I understand why)and unforgiving man with little self-control when preaching to the church. Instead of trying to get an amen for showing people the will of God, he seeks it by hyping the already painful history to get people as feed up as he has been by the goverment.
IndependentConservative reply on March 24th, 2008 at 2:54 pm :
Cop said:
Agreed! I only mentioned “Black churches” because J. Wrong’s defenders say his antics are the norm at any “Black church”. If that is the case, they need to start preaching Jesus instead of “Black”. But I’ve been to plenty of what they would classify “Black churches” and I can’t say what J. Wrong was doing is normal where I’ve been. I’ve even been places where they might run down a litany of past issues, but NEVER would they close it off as J. Wrong did.
Some say they’ve seen it at places and I do know there are people such as J. Wrong out there, but I would not call them “regular”.
avlight reply on March 24th, 2008 at 6:53 pm :
“Ah, God says BLESS AND DO NOT CURSE!”
In my city, there was a church on theirpublic access television program that ‘rebuked’ the Rev. Wrong for lashing out. However, they stated that Rev. Wrong should have followed the Romans 12:14 verse to a tee because by following that verse and speaking ‘blessings’ to their enemies, then what you have done ‘in the Spirit’ is untied God’s hands and freed him to be able to curse, destroy, zap, and kill that person you just blessed because they ‘touched God’s anointed’.
horrific!!!!!
IndependentConservative reply on March 24th, 2008 at 7:15 pm :
avlight - For a second there, when starting to read your comment, I was about to say I hope J. Wrong was watching, but by the time I got to the end of your comment (just after the “in the Spirit” part and beyond…) I have to say you should never watch those nuts again
. (You already knew that.)
There are already enough nuts thinking they are “binding the devil”, we don’t need nuts thinking they have the ability to tie and untie the very hands of Almighty God.
But when I was with the prosperity pimps, they used to have us convinced we could have God open and close windows on our behalf. Give them 10% = window open, don’t give them 10% = window closed. It was an effective and PROFITABLE means of brainwashing over we who were not reading our Bibles much. And even when reading scripture, when deluded with their false teaching you can’t read clearly.
March 24th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
Hi,
Don’t forget Proverbs 24:17. In this world we will have debates over what is just or not just. But to damn a nation is certainly not showing the Love that Jesus had for us. If anything he should look upon others with compassion.
It is so sad this happens anywhere especially in the pulpit.
Love,
John
March 24th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
Good Old Otis used Easter Sunday to compare Rev. Wright to Jesus.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMNc0lQCxb8
Absolutely sick.
March 24th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
Here’s some interesting reading:
Obama’s Church Published HAMAS Manifesto - a BizzyBlog Scoop Ripped Off by WND/Aaron Klein
He published a full Hamas write-up in the “Pastor’s Corner” of the “church” bulletin. And helping Hamas spread the message of Jesus Christ how?
(And many bloggers have said WND.com lifted material from them.)
March 24th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
I don’t get it what’s wrong with this style of preaching? Don’t God set members in the body according to how He see fit? IC you all are some strong Bible scholars but do remember that every Christian is not on the same level as you.
IndependentConservative reply on March 24th, 2008 at 8:13 pm :
Ann, that is not preaching, that’s evil. Did you read every word in that post including every word of every scripture in the post above?
Did you read Proverbs 24:17 that John mentioned?
The elders are SUPPOSED TO BE THE SCHOLARS. Satan sits himself up as an angel of light hoping to deceive saints, 2 Corinthians 11:13-15. So his false ministers get in supposed roles of church leadership and spread bad doctrines.
What you saw in those videos has no biblical justification. It’s unbiblical. It’s wrong. It’s evil. It’s the doctrine of demons.
Ann, from that sermon, did the congregation learn more about scripture and living godly or US history and screaming ungodly statements? The saints were not equipped or good works from that sermon, they were taught to hate government and desire destruction of anyone they perceive to be an enemy.
IndependentConservative reply on March 24th, 2008 at 8:25 pm :
When I say the elders are supposed to be the scholars, I mean J. Wrong is SUPPOSED TO BE a scholar and helping others grow. Not pandering to already existing anger and animosity.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:12 pm
IC thanks for your explanation It have never been point out to me the doctrine of demons.
IndependentConservative reply on March 24th, 2008 at 10:49 pm :
Sadly we were promised it would happen, 1 Timothy 4:1.
J. Wrong was preaching for 36 years, he was literally preaching almost as long as I’ve been alive. And he was very much theologically trained. He had absolutely no excuse for staying with the bad doctrine he embraced. He was reading 1 Peter 2:10-25 before I was able to read. So he knew better, but decided his way was “better”. He saw what scripture says and decided he could adjust what the words mean for his own self serving purposes. I mean preaching what is in the Bible would not have kept him 8,000 members, meeting a President and celebrities around him, but it would have been the truth.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:55 am
Interesting information on Rev. Wright. He grew up in Philly in the upper middle class Germantown section. His dad was a prominent Baptist minister and his mother was a vice-President of a prestigious public girls school.
Rev. Wright could have gone to the integrated local public school but he was selected and chose to go to the mostly white public prep school. This school was 95% white with 80% of the population being Jewish. He went there to get a outstanding education.
You will see that J. Wright did not grow up in the poor slums like Obama says. Former classmates say there were not any racial problems at his high school. In fact, everyone got a long very well. Many of his classmates say that J. Wright came from a financial better situation then they did.
The Germantown part of Philly is a neighborhood with tree lined streets and brown stone mansions. J. Wright actually grew up in one of these very nice homes. His dad and mom both made very good incomes.
Why bring this up? Well, Obama said his minister J. Wright grew up as a poor black child in the racially divisive 1950s and 1960s. Not true. Philly did not have very much racial tension in the 50s and 60s. In fact, Philly has been known to be one of the most progressive cities regarding race. Rev. Wright was not poor. He grew up in a upper middle class family and went to a prestigious high school.
Rev. Wright said Hillary could not know the plight of poor black children growing up in a racist culture. This is true. However, neither can Obama or Rev. Wright understand this plight
B. Obama has been caught in another lie.
(Info for this post was provided by Mr. Klein a former classmate of Rev. Wright as shared on the Laura Ingram radio show.)
IndependentConservative reply on March 25th, 2008 at 11:11 am :
SG, Obama lie, who would have thought he or Hillary would ever lie
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One point though:
Oh Philly had much racial tension and has some still believe it or not. J. Wrong did not experience what many might have, but there was much tension there. There were places in Philadelphia, PA just like in the South back in the 1950s where Blacks simply were not allowed to enter.
IndependentConservative reply on March 25th, 2008 at 11:28 am :
SG, don’t take Laura Ingraham’s word for it, or whoever she had on her show. Look up the Philadelphia race riots and other information about racial tensions in that area. It’s not hard information to find. And there are even more recent events. I’d say Philadelphia is one of the WORSE in terms of racial tension, in North eastern cities.
That’s not to say Blacks in Philly are in so terrible a condition. I lived in that area for some years (and I was out in the mostly White suburb of Phoenixville, PA and going into Philly often) and can’t say I was withheld from achieving all I had the ability to achieve. My leaving there had nothing to do with racial matters. But I can’t deny what was there. (There in parts of the city of Philadelphia I mean.)
And when it comes to racial matters in Philly, I could mention specifics both Whites and Blacks have done that were straight up evil, but I’m going to stop.
SteelGator reply on March 25th, 2008 at 11:33 am :
You mean Yankees were/are racist. Can’t be….I thought only us southern, white, moon shine drinkin, rebel yellin, right winged, Bible thumpers were the racists.
Also, I was just listing what Mr. Klein said. I have no insight into the racial issues of Philly. However, I don’t think J. Wrong experienced what he and Obama try to portray that he experienced.
IndependentConservative reply on March 25th, 2008 at 11:46 am :
I just edited that comment of mine a few times, because I wanted to remove some statements that were not accurate. But I stand by what I have there now.
Germantown has good and bad parts, but affluent people never experience as much of anything bad as others. So it’s a given J. Wrong did not experience what others experienced, but then again his going to a mostly White school (80% Jewish) other Blacks did not experience what he experienced.
I went to schools that were over 90% Jewish. Let’s just say in such environments a Black is a double minority with anyone that harbors hatred. Being both Gentile and Black. Hated by those who harbor hatred not just for skin tone, but literally damned to hell in their minds.
I avoided dealing evil for evil. It seems J. Wrong has decided not to avoid it. For the most part I can’t say I had any major problems, but things did happen. And they probably didn’t like that I was telling them they needed Jesus
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I’m surprised J. Wrong grew up in a school environment near what I experienced myself. Although I was not at that school by choice, but I was being used as a Liberal tool for “school busing integration”.
SteelGator reply on March 25th, 2008 at 12:01 pm :
IC: You probably know of the school. I can’t remember the name but it is the second oldest school in the United States.
J. Wright says he and Obama are down with the struggle, and they have walked in the shoes of poor black kids. This is an absolute lie. They don’t know what it is to be poor. They are children of privilege and they trying to act otherwise is deceitful at best.
IndependentConservative reply on March 25th, 2008 at 12:21 pm :
Can’t say I know the name of the school, although I might have been in a similar environment in my youth when in grade school in MD.
No they didn’t live like many other Blacks have. But they know how to play up things to their advantage.
Now although I don’t like McCain and he being a politician lies too. Don’t you find it interesting that he was a war prisoner, but we don’t see him spouting off hatred towards Vietnamese or Asians in general? What he experienced dwarfs anything Obama and J. Wrong could speak of combined.
SteelGator reply on March 25th, 2008 at 12:37 pm :
What I do find interesting is some of the most racially divisive cities are in liberal strong holds like Boston and Chicago. I thought liberals could not be racists….lol.
Good point on McCain. He was a POW. He was beaten and tortured and he does not speak badly of those that did it to him. He also never really talks about it.
Do you also know those that talk about things that happened to them usually are embellishing to prop themselves up. (i.e. John Kerry and his military service or Obama and his racial struggle). People that really did have struggles and made a difference(i.e. Rosa Parks, John McCain, missionaries all over the globe) never really talk about it.
ncatina reply on March 25th, 2008 at 2:18 pm :
Yo, youse talkin’ about my town! (sorry, poor Stallone impressoin)
But seriously, I grew up in EAST Germantown (mostly low-middle class neighborhood) and went to all Black public schools during the 80s/90s. I rented an apartment along the Germantown/West Mount Airy border (think Lincoln Drive/Wayne Avenue area.) From there, I since bought my current house in Overbrook Park (far West Philly near the Main Line), a heavily Jewish area built during the 50s. There has been a huge population shift with Blacks moving into the area since the late 80s. (Haven’t heard anything regarding racial strife here.)
As far as Jeremiah Wrong’s church affiliation here in Philly, I am guessing it was the Grace Baptist Church of Germantown, Germantown Avenue & Johnson Street, according to a recent philly.com column. (I was not able to find his school.) I read and saw the videos of him here and elsewhere. His comments were egregious, to say the least. I do thank you, IC, for educating me again in helping to give the Bible’s take on this man’s rhetoric.
As for the racial tentions in the city, in general, I remember some recent doozies in the Port Richmond section (low-middle income White area) and some parts of S PHL with Black residents being ran out of there before the suitase would stop rocking. In some of those cases, it was mostly intimidation (vandalizing property, verbal threats, etc.), but nonetheless, this city today is VERY much territorialized along racial lines (with some exceptions–University City, West Mount Airy, Wynnefield, Overbrook Farms, Germantown proper). I belive, though, the segregation is more economic than racial, with Blacks having to be less affluent, thus giving the impression of neighborhood racial division.
Although it has not been as bad as some, Philly has its issues….don’t get it twisted.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
IC:
You might want to post Hillary’s lie about being under fire in Bosnia in 1996. I can’t believe anyone would vote for this blatant liar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BfNqhV5hg4
IndependentConservative reply on March 25th, 2008 at 1:00 pm :
If I posted all the lies all them are saying I’d have no time for anything else.
Anybody hearing any news report over the past 2 days has heard about it.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Here is a link written by Pat Buchanan. It deals with Rev. Wright and Obama. Interesting read.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=25634#continueA
djenk23 reply on March 25th, 2008 at 1:08 pm :
wow..just wow..have no words for this at all….
SteelGator reply on March 25th, 2008 at 1:49 pm :
I know Buchanan is pretty harsh and I would have worded things a little different. However, Obama opened this can of worms by playing the race bait card.
In fact, I can make the case that these government programs have really held poor blacks, whites and hispanics back.
SteelGator reply on March 25th, 2008 at 1:51 pm :
In fact, I can make the case that these government programs have really held poor blacks, whites and hispanics back.
AND OBAMA IS WANTING TO PUSH FORWARD MORE SOCIALIST PROGRAMS!
IndependentConservative reply on March 25th, 2008 at 2:47 pm :
(Just finished reading Pat B’s write-up.)
I don’t like Pat’s “show me some gratitude because my skin is paler than yours” attitude. I didn’t like Obama’s speech either.
His Whiteness didn’t bring anybody to salvation and has been a stumbling block in trying to tell some people about the Lord. God allowed with happened and brought salvation to His elect, but Pat should not see his Whiteness doing God any favors. His self righteousness in his own racial history could be his undoing. He speaks of Christ and bringing salvation while HE ENDORSED THE CULT OF JOSEPH SMITH MEMBER NAMED MITT ROMNEY TO BE PRESIDENT. It would have been the biggest promotional tool that cult has ever had!
It’s true nobody wants to talk about when Blacks kill Whites, but just the same far more often the case is that most Whites are killed by other Whites.
And Pat has been known to run his own race games where he’s picked based on race.
Pat’s flailing in his own White righteousness destroys anything of value he might have said.
I say to both Pat and Obama, NO we don’t need a chat about race. We need you both to stand for Christ and not your own egos.
IndependentConservative reply on March 25th, 2008 at 2:51 pm :
Pat’s self righteous “we brought you coloreds to salvation” attitude is exactly what the heresy of Black Liberation Theology feeds off.
Thanks Pat, your self righteousness helps breed heresy.
SteelGator reply on March 25th, 2008 at 2:57 pm :
IC: Good points….You do know Pat is a full fledged Irish-American member of the Cult of Mary. Pat’s sister Bay is a Mormon and she ran Mitts campaign. This is why he supported Mitt. One cult member looking out for another.
His article was a little over the top, but that is Pat. He made some good points in rebuttal to the race baiter Obama and Rev. Wrong. However, Obama won’t listen to Pat. Obama has a socialist agenda that he wants to put forth using race and socio economic situations to implement his agenda.
SteelGator reply on March 25th, 2008 at 3:00 pm :
You also know that Pat’s running mate was/is a communist. Can’t believe a public school teach is a communist. The irony…oh, the irony.
IndependentConservative reply on March 25th, 2008 at 3:03 pm :
It’s very true. They figure if one rises the other will too.
You’re sounding just like Obama covering for J. Wrong.
If I don’t like it from J. Wrong, what makes you think I’d accept the same leaven from Pat? Many supporting J. Wrong note that he stated some true points as well.
Hint: If you feel it’s a little “over the top”, it’s wrong.
SteelGator reply on March 25th, 2008 at 3:12 pm :
Maybe, J. Wright did make some valid points. Sometimes, it is how you put things.
As for Pat, I have not sat in the pews for 20 + years listening to his racist drivel and acting like he never said anything wrong. I have been very quick to point out when Pat is wrong but I will point out some good points when he says them.
Pat makes some good points in the article in response to the racist Obama and Wright. Obama wants to have “one way” race dialog and in order for folks to fix racial ills, he wants a massive expansion of social programs for blacks. This is wrong and Pat points it out.
IndependentConservative reply on March 25th, 2008 at 3:19 pm :
So then it’s OK for the people who never knew J. Wrong till the recent news, to play all of the video clip above for enjoyment while they say they disagree with the end?
SG, walk away from it. You have NO DEFENSE.
SteelGator reply on March 26th, 2008 at 2:47 pm :
IC: You are way off base. I am not defending Pat and his cult mentality. Saying that blacks got Christianity because of slavery is pure stupid. I do know that Pat needs Jesus and needs RUN not walk away from the Cult of Mary. However, Pat makes some good points in his article. He is rebutting Obama and his racist version of socialism. Pat was being over the top because Obama and J. Wright are over the top.
I don’t know how anyone would get enjoyment out of a man that says G-D America. People that do are just sick.
If we need dialogue about race in America, we need to have a open discussion looking at all points of view. However, J.Wright and Pat Buchanan don’t need to be a part of it.
IndependentConservative reply on March 26th, 2008 at 2:59 pm :
So than you affirm he was exchanging evil for evil. And that is good how?
We don’t need a dialog on “race”, we need to tell people about Christ.
SteelGator reply on March 26th, 2008 at 3:24 pm :
Pat was sharing with Obama and J. Wright what a lot of white people feel and think. Most folks don’t know that because the liberal media, politicians, and institutions of higher learning makes “whitey” shut up in the name of political correctness.
I do agree with you that ALL racism can cease if people turn their lives to Christ. In Christ, we are not black, white, yellow, green nor purple. In Christ, we are all equal with an equal promise, hope and eternal inheritance. For the ways of men are corrupt and will fail. But, PRAISE THE LORD that WE have victory in Christ.
djenk23 reply on March 26th, 2008 at 3:33 pm :
Pat’s not sharing anything that we didnt already know about HIM….if he’s speaking for “most” white people, then the way Jeremiah Wright speaks is in direct response to the white people that feel that way, whether they are out with it like Buchanan or hide it…BUT ITS ALL SIN!!!!!
IndependentConservative reply on March 26th, 2008 at 3:52 pm :
So do you feel that since you were born in your skin tone that I owe you some debt of gratitude?
There is a lot that Black people say, feel and think, should I post links to some of it here for you, in case you might not see it elsewhere? Like with Pat, it’s nothing good, but this is about how shallow you’re sounding.
You posted the link. You posted it. You offered the bread with leaven and I’m telling you it spoils the WHOLE LUMP. Regardless of his motivations, JUST LIKE REGARDLESS OF J. WRONG’S MOTIVATIONS, Pat turned anything he might have wanted to offer of value to total garbage, all garbage, totally. He leavened his own work and you pointed us to the leaven.
What some people are saying in private, yea Obama tried that line too in defense of J. Wrong.
djenk23 is correct ITS ALL SIN!
SteelGator reply on March 27th, 2008 at 2:44 pm :
IC: I don’t feel anyone owes me anything. I just think Pat made some points that J. Wrong and Obama should consider. Instead of spouting out their vile that “whitey made up AIDs and gave it to blacks to kill them”….”whitey made crack to dope up blacks”….”whitey makes blacks commit crime, and then sentences them to 10,20 life.”….This is all garbage. To say that Pat wrote anything as bad as what J. Wrong and Obama said is intellectually void and completely absurd.
IndependentConservative reply on March 27th, 2008 at 3:21 pm :
Pat wrote on par with them and has written other things as well. Which is why he is a darling of many White Nationalists, even when he might shun some of them.
SG, you have been using the exact same games, tactics, spin and rhetoric as the man you denounce, Obama.
SteelGator reply on March 27th, 2008 at 3:53 pm :
IC: You are just wrong on this and I will be glad to enlighten you. You must have a beef with Buchanan and you try to paint him in the same light as J.Wright and Obama.
First and foremost, I have met Pat and I know people that have been very close to his two failed Republican campaigns. His speech about morals to the 1992 Republican National Convention was outstanding and hit the nail on the head.
Secondly, his going to the Reformed Party was a joke. He just had such a hatred for the Bushes, that he ran on Reformed Party ticket.
Thirdly, I don’t agree with Buchanan on a lot of things like his isolationist views. Pat is also anti-Israel like his Pope and his church. I disagree with him on this as well.
Fourthly, to characterize him as a White Nationalist is ridiculous. Pat is a Catholic….These same White Nationalists would lynch him, his former Mormon campaign manager, me and you together. You trying to equate Pat with White Nationalists (they are anti black, anti Hispanic, anti Catholic, anti-Semitic etc) is crazy. The article you provided was from a guy that had an agenda to make Pat look bad. Pat has never been a member of any racist, or white nationalist organizations and anyone trying to say so is pulling a “Dan Rather” on Buchanan.
Trying to paint a hard core conservative, anti-Israel, isolationist with the same brush as you paint J. Wright and Obama is asinine, and intellectually dishonest. If you say Obama and J. Wright are equal to David Duke, I would wholeheartedly agree. Trying to say the same of Buchanan is just downright wrong.
djenk23 reply on March 27th, 2008 at 3:53 pm :
man…how much do you know about Pat Buchanan??….He stays writing/saying inflammatory stuff like this…SG, what you’re saying is the equivalent of “even a broken clock is right twice a day”, but if you know that the clock is broken, why even use it?
SteelGator reply on March 27th, 2008 at 3:55 pm :
djenk23, read my post above yours. I know a lot about Buchanan and his views. I have read many of his books. What do you know about him? Only what IC tells you?
IndependentConservative reply on March 27th, 2008 at 4:11 pm :
Actually I don’t have “beef” with Buchanan and when he’s not playing as if I should lick his feet I’ve posted favorable about him here. (The audio files on that link might not work, I’m still trying to fix that. And I used to post about Hannity too, till he started using bloggers’ stuff without attribution, his former ties to a White Nationalist radio host are old news to me that I’ve always known.)
I deal in the present, so if someone goes wayward I call it out then, but if they remain cool for a time I’ll try not to continually hold something from the past against them, unless they start slipping up again.
Never said he was, but you have to admit he has some bad company and he knew it during his 2000 Presidential run. The Council of Conservative Citizens has LOTS of ties to MANY a covert racist.
I really don’t care if you’ve been a roommate with Pat, I stand by my every word about him here.
Pat’s article is wrong and expresses evil, which you are endorsing.
SteelGator reply on March 27th, 2008 at 4:18 pm :
IC: I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. I think his Cult of Mary religion maybe the worst thing about Buchanan.
IC wrote….
Pat’s article is wrong and expresses evil, which you are endorsing.
I agree some of Pat’s article is wrong but it is not expressing evil. Neither am I endorsing it.
I never heard the Hannity stuff….If you find it please share with me. THANKS
IndependentConservative reply on March 27th, 2008 at 4:29 pm :
I doubt you would have posted it and exchanged this long over it if you found it to really be expressing evil.
But we can close that here.
About Hannity:
Is Sean Hannity Stealing Your Content?
What Would Network News Be Without the Blogosphere? Sean Hannity Rips Off Debbie Schlussel Again!
I blogged about that because she did a good job of documenting and even being able to speak with him directly about it, but I hear he does it to others as well.
Also World Net Daily WND.com is NOTORIOUS for using content from blogs without good attribution. And once Debbie busted them using her content as an “exclusive” on their site. I’ve heard LOTS of blogs complain about WND.com using their original content without good attribution.
IndependentConservative reply on March 27th, 2008 at 8:03 pm :
SG, I’m not saying this to debate that evil article, but I do feel you’ve lost your moral footing from which to call Obama a racist.
You don’t see it, but plenty of us certainly do.
And I’m sure if a Black person wrote a similar article you’d take issue with it. I mean you’d see the evil for what it is then.
Have you ever noticed that when a White racist says or does things, Black Conservatives do not respond in the manner Pat did?
Perhaps that will ENLIGHTEN YOU.
SteelGator reply on March 28th, 2008 at 4:20 pm :
IC: You can think I lost my moral footing all you want. It is your opinion, but you are still wrong. What is also wrong is that you are trying to compare what Buchanan said to what J. Wright and Obama said. In fact, this is utter nonsense. For years, J.Wright and Obama have been tied to Chicago race cult. They are not only anti-white, but also anti-Christ and anti-American.
You have no proof that Buchanan is a bigot or a racist. You throw out a blog that has a beef with Buchanan and call that gospel.
I agree that Buchanan has said some stupid stuff in the past and in his latest article. However, to compare stupid with racists and bigots is disingenuous.
Black conservatives have been at the fore front of pointing out the evil that is David Duke, the KKK and other white supremacists organizations. To be fair, liberal media outlets have done the same.
Pat wrote what he did to get people’s dander up. He could have been a little more choice with words and a little less harsh. However, this does not prove he is a racist or a bigot.
IC, you are trying to put Pat in the same category as Wright, Duke, and Obama, and this is a stretch at best. The only comparison between Buchanan, J.Wright and Obama is that if these men don’t give up their anti-Christ religions and turn to the only hope for salvation, Jesus, then they are all looking at spending eternity together in damnation.
SteelGator reply on March 28th, 2008 at 4:24 pm :
IC: as for Hannity, thanks for the information. It does not surprise me that the rich, popular talk show hosts take other folks material. It is a shame that they do and it is wrong.
I don’t know if Hannity has really done this but if he has, Hannity needs to wake up and start giving credit where credit is due.
If it isn’t true, the blogger needs to apologize to Hannity and his staff.
IndependentConservative reply on March 28th, 2008 at 4:51 pm :
SG, I’m finding it most interesting how you feel a little leaven is better than big leaven, to the point you would defend leaven. Because no matter how you try and spin it away, evil is evil.
Again you fully realize Pat wrote evil. Now can you explain to me why no Black Conservative has ever in their writings about David Duke or the KKK ever wrote in a fashion to intentionally offend Whites?
The information about Hannity has several witnesses. It’s not a question of any bloggers needing to apologize, it is Hannity that has apologies to make, as does the World Net Daily. But Hannity likes to claim “well if little ol Sean Hannity could dig up this information, how come the news media didn’t?…” when he didn’t dig some of it up to begin with.
I agree with Michael Savage regarding Hannity, he’s a “Greeeeeeeaaaaaaat American”. (just sarcasm at how some believe every word from the mouth of Hannity)
IndependentConservative reply on March 28th, 2008 at 4:57 pm :
And I’ve heard Hannity claim he found something on “the Internet” or “one of the blogs” without giving full credit.
Hannity is MSM and like many in the MSM he’s not big on crediting blogs as he should.
SteelGator reply on March 28th, 2008 at 5:05 pm :
IC:
I don’t agree that over the top equates with evil. It is funny how you then talk about Michael Savage (who I do prefer more than Hannity’s boring show). Savage is known to have said some very over the top stuff. Using your logic, Savage writes, speaks and is evil, right?
As for Hannity, if this is true, he should be ashamed of himself and apologize. From some reason, I don’t see that coming any time soon.
As for Black Conservatives never writing about David Duke or the KKK in a fashion to intentionally offend Whites, I don’t know if they have or have not. I would say that most of the Black Conservatives that I have ever listen to seem to be much more articulate than Pat Buchanan. I can think of one black conservative that used to bash racist whites and racist blacks equally. His name was Ken Hamblin. I miss him now that he is no longer on the radio.
Again, your boy Savage spews some harsh rhetoric as well. Why do you still like to listen to him? Why do you not call him evil? Savage also is not a Christian.
SteelGator reply on March 28th, 2008 at 5:07 pm :
I also want to point out that whites both liberal and conservative denounce and bash white racists. Why are most blacks silent about J. Wright’s and Obama’s racism?
IndependentConservative reply on March 28th, 2008 at 5:23 pm :
Good try at obfuscation, but even if Savage said something evil, please find it posted by me and we’ll discuss it there. I have several of his statements and clips posted.
Now our subject here is the material YOU posted from Pat that IS EVIL. The leaven you call anything but.
Fact is you don’t know and can’t cite Black conservatives dealing evil for evil like Pat in regards to offending Whites. It’s just not happening with the respected Black Conservatives. I think they are doing well to avoid being like Pat. And if they did it, hopefully I would not post a link and tell people to read it, then when someone responds saying
Chime in claiming
You saw Pat went wayward and saw value in his dealing evil for evil over Team Obama doing the same about things they are upset about.
You saw leaven #1 and then came leaven #2 and you felt leaven #2 in all it’s leaveness (I just made that word up) could somehow vanquish leaven #1. You saw it was leaven, but you said, well I’ll give soft endorsement to leaven #2 anyway.
IndependentConservative reply on March 28th, 2008 at 5:30 pm :
SG, the point of the post was, don’t deal evil for evil. And then you chimed in with this thing Pat made. A thing you know had words that would offend.
SteelGator reply on March 28th, 2008 at 5:45 pm :
Nice spin there IC. You must be under the tutelage of J. Wright or Obama.
I don’t think Pat said anything that is evil…..You still have yet to prove that he has. So the evil quid pro quo that you are trying put out there just did not happen.
As for Savage, you brought him up. Is he evil? Has he said things over the top? If so he is evil too, right? Or can’t you bring yourself to admit that you like over the top material as well.
IndependentConservative reply on March 28th, 2008 at 6:10 pm :
Well SG here are some statements from Pat that are evil.
Excerpts from A Brief for Whitey by Patrick J. Buchanan Posted: 03/21/2008
Now there he is proclaiming Whites to be the great givers of salvation. Acting like White people used slave ships to help Black people in material ways too. It’s nothing short of insane the position he’s taking, as him being White to position himself as some great savior of Blacks. Or even make the assertion by association.
Should he harp about this occurring when he’s actively done it himself? Pat complains about race preferences, but when it suited him for his own means he engaged in it.
SG you and I agree that the “grievances” are not worthy because they complain about the actions of dead people. Conversely, why should any White person, Pat in particular seek “gratitude”? Pat speaks of programs he himself stood against in many cases.
If it is wrong for J. Wrong to attach blame for things in the past, is it not equally as erred for Pat to seek adoration for a past he did not create himself?
March 25th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
I thought Hillary would run far away from the Obama/Wright implosion. However, I guess she decided she would pile on.
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/breaking/s_558930.html
March 25th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
IC J. Wrong will be here in Houston spewing his filth @ Wheeler Avenue Baptist Church.
IndependentConservative reply on March 25th, 2008 at 10:38 pm :
So than he’s not really “retired”, but just taking his show on the road?
Praiser4Life reply on March 25th, 2008 at 11:12 pm :
Just found out on the 10 o’clock news that it has been cancelled.
IndependentConservative reply on March 25th, 2008 at 11:24 pm :
And that is GOOD NEWS!!!
SteelGator reply on March 26th, 2008 at 2:41 pm :
He also cancelled a church appearance in Tampa. His excuse was his safety.
March 27th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
Here is another link on J. Wrong and his racist slurs….
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/Politics/archive/200803/POL20080326a.html
SteelGator reply on March 27th, 2008 at 4:19 pm :
Obama and the rest of J.Wrights followers need to RUN not walk away from him.
March 28th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
It was noted in another post how a white radio announcer had a slip of tongue and got fired for basically being a racist (he slipped and called Rice a coon). He shouldn’t have been fired. It was a knee-jerk reaction by the station and perhaps by some blacks who may have complained. There was a time when I think most of us were like this (knee-jerk reaction). Some of us are still like that. I can claim to have had a knee-jerk reaction early in my sports writing career. In the early 90’s a big deal was rightfully made about the disparity of blacks in management positions compared to playing positions. Several folks were quoted making disparaging statements regarding black folks (Marge Schott called one of her players a million dollar nigger; Jimmy the Greek said there will be no jobs for whites if the positions were given to blacks, and Al Campanis noted in a short soundbite that blacks don’t have the mental necessaties to handle the white collar sports positions). Campanis’ statement isolated from his persona and track record didn’t match. I called him a racist in a commentary I wrote for a newspaper. However, I learned later that he really wasn’t racist at all. Unfortunately when he made his statement he didn’t have a chance to expound on it for clarification and his whole track record as a human being who had great relationships with black players (see Jackie Robinson) wasn’t taken into account, and he was fired from the Yankees organization. This is basically what we are seeing concerning Dr. Wright.
With the Christian edicts in Romans 12 and 13, this makes it a complex issue. On the surface it seems like a clear cut case, but perspective and context makes it a major challenge.
Though America is not a Theocracy (some imply that it is), the framers and founding fathers were Christians (for all practical purposes).
Dr. Wright is not speaking to a Gentile nation, an occupying nation; he’s not speaking as a foreign Christian; he’s not speaking to an entity when he says America: He’s speaking to people in American, particularly Christians; He’s speaking as an American who served in the military; He’s NOT speaking to every American per se, but in my opinion those who are the most offended and are making the most noise probably have a heart condition that needs to be addressed.
Rome’s rulers at the time of the writing from Paul were not Christians.
From the founding fathers to the current administration, most–if not all–of our presidents were Christians (I have to look that up).
Some will debate whether Constantine was indeed a Christian, seeing that Roman Catholicism spawned at that time and many “‘Merican”, Conservative Evangelical Christians don’t really recognize Roman Catholicism as true Christianity.
Here’s where the tension comes in at: For all practical purposes the founding fathers were ministers/preachers (though they didn’t wear a religious title or designation) in a sense that they incorporated God into the Constitution and the law of the land. Let’s just say that they were living epistles. These living epistles figuratively and literally said that blacks weren’t made in the image of God. Christians dehumanized, enslaved, raped and killed black people. For the most part in spite of laws and amendments, this sentiment is still perpetuated (check out the ratio of blacks in prison, the condition of black schools, the disparity in wealth; the statistics are off the chart).
Now, the question that I have is are we allowed to appeal to the Christianity of this country and the Christianity of our leadership? Are we allowed to rebuke the hypocrisy of the nation and the rulers who embrace Christ, or should we let God deal with our elected officials and Kings and nation because He Sovereignly put them in place? Persecution for the cause of Christ is certainly in the scriptures, but when Christians persecute in the name of Christ, there’s a problem (and yes, they enslaved and dehumanized by twisting the context of scriptures, just as the current administration got its orders from God to bomb a country in the name of Jesus; I think the mantra was getting rid of evil).
There seems to be a model of the preacher rebuking the leadership and the nation in the Old Testament prophets. Not only did they address their own nation (Israel) with sharp rebuke regarding oppression of it’s people, but they also addressed the oppressing nations (Babylon, Assyria, Persia), especially in the “Gospel” of Isaiah. There is also a contrast in how the OT leadership (prophets and kings) lead the nation in acknowledging sin and repenting.
When it’s all said and done, Pastor Wright, in my humble opinion, was not linguistically out of line (by flipping the rallying song God Bless America and mocking the hypocritical, self-righteous sentiment of the people of the nation), nor was he wrong for pointing out the sins of the nation that resulted in many of its problems.
It is easy for people to demonize what they don’t understand. Like most blacks, including myself, we don’t hate America or white people, we just have some deep-seated scars that haven’t had a chance to heal and that the nation doesn’t seem to want to heal.
IndependentConservative reply on March 28th, 2008 at 3:34 pm :
Clayter,
No that is not true. J. Wrong preached Black Liberation heresy for tens of years. He preached all about a suffering Black being a form of Christ for tens of years and even in the latest funeral statement where he trashed Italians.
So you’re very wrong. We’ve got more than “a statement”, but years. I could go through more of what J. Wrong has done and said, there is so much, but no need to bother. Either you’re going to see he preached a false gospel or you won’t. Plenty has already been made known and you still cover for that heretic.
Your desire to cover for a Black person when they speak hate is your challenge, so the scripture becomes a stumbling block for you. And you end up covering for the Black person.
No they were men who followed various forms of things from Free Masonry to other forms of deism, but it’s not easy finding many true Christians in the bunch.
News flash! George W. Bush is no more Christian than people pressing race heresy in the form of Black Liberation Theology. They all act like people who are not even claiming to be Christians will get to Heaven if they are something like a “good Muslim”. Black Liberation Theology teaches all who suffer regardless of the reason are forms of Jesus.
Most if not all were not, but they know what to say to get votes.
See: Roman Catholicism Versus The Bible. As Always, Bible Wins! (*Updated*) Watch all those videos and see why the cult of Mary is just what I said it is.
They incorporated the tenants of Free Masonry. Go look up who was using a phrase similar to “Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness” before it was part of an American document. It’s a cult not of the One True God. It was the foundation for forming this government.
You are into some very odd doctrine.
You have in your own mind, just as those promoting Black Liberation Theology, of which you probably are a proponent, attempted to hold people alive today accountable for things THEY NEVER DID. And you’ve totally abandoned Romans 12 and Romans 13 to act as if YOU are doing the work of God in endorsing a heretic.
And since YOU CAN’T pull scripture written to the church to justify your support of J. Wrong’s heretical doctrine, you’ve jumped into Hebrew scripture, to try and justify, but you can’t pull what is not for you. Your commands are in Romans 12 and Romans 13 and those were written as Christians were facing REAL PERSECUTION. Not this junk you whine about regarding a heathen dope dealer being sent to prison, while you harp about his skin being brown.
Like you don’t understand how to respect the authority of scripture written to the church, so you make up your own theology, to justify what you want to do. And you feel you’re better than some old slave masters who lied about God to justify their actions. You are no better. You simply don’t have the power to implement all that your heresy would bring if you were making the decisions.
What you have is evil in your heart, that you refuse to let go of. It’s not something Whites need to do to help you. You need to learn the meaning of true forgiveness and then you would not cry about what somebody long ago did or might have done. You’d also be able to understand that your doctrine and that of J. Wrong’s are hate and heresy.
March 28th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Barrack and his Israel problem.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=25743