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February 22, 2008

Mike Huckabee, Still Standing With the Pulpit Pimps. Remains Tight With False Teacher Kenneth Copeland.

by @ 12:02 am. Filed under Nuts on Parade

So Mike Huckabee went on NBC’s Meet the Press program back on 2/10/2008 and basically defended his buddy, prosperity doctrine heretic Kenneth Copeland.

You can see the video at this link and advance to the 11:25 mark.

Text from the official transcript is below.

‘Meet the Press’ transcript for Feb. 10, 2008

MR. RUSSERT: You were an ordained Baptist minister. In November you appeared on “Believer’s Voice of Victory,” this program here with Kenneth Copeland.

GOV. HUCKABEE: Mm-hmm.

MR. RUSSERT: Also a televangelist.

GOV. HUCKABEE: Mm-hmm.

MR. RUSSERT: This is how your home state paper described Mr. Copeland’s difficulties:

“A televangelist under investigation by the U.S. Senate Finance Committee turned a national ministers’ gathering into a fund-raising opportunity for Mike Huckabee, reportedly helping to raise thousands of dollars for the cash-strapped presidential” campaign.

“The fund-raiser was held at Kenneth Copeland Ministries’ campus” “Newark, Texas. The Trinity Foundation, a group that monitors televangelists and viewed a live Internet broadcast of the event, said the fund-raiser took in $111,000″ “generated pledges nearing $1 million.

“Copeland authorized the fund-raiser after receiving a personal call from Huckabee pleading for help, the Trinity Foundation said.”

And this is a tape of Mr. Copeland’s characterization of your phone call with them.

GOV. HUCKABEE: OK.

MR. RUSSERT: Let’s watch.

(Videotape)

MR. KENNETH COPELAND: He hollered at me on the phone, he said, “Are you kidding me? Why should I stand with them and not stand with you? They only got 11 percent approval rating!”

Offscreen Voice: Amen.

MR. COPELAND: And then, and then he said, then he said, “Kenneth Copeland, I will stand with you.” He said, “You’re trying to get prosperity to the people, and they’re trying to take it away from them.” He said, “I will stand with you anytime, anywhere, on any issue.” That settled that right there. I said, “Yeah, that’s my man. That’s my man right there.”

(End videotape)

MR. RUSSERT: Is that a fair characterization of the phone call?

GOV. HUCKABEE: I don’t know the exact words were used, but, you know, Kenneth Copeland has been a friend of mine for a long time. His wife’s from Arkansas. They own property there. He’s been somebody that I’ve known for a long time. And my only experience with him is a positive one and a person of integrity. People who’ve worked with him have been there for 30 years. They love him. They speak of him in the most glowing of ways, of how he treats them. And that’s what I know about him.

And, you know, when other people make accusations, all I can tell you is, people make accusations about me every day. If all my friends abandoned me over it, I wouldn’t have any left.

MR. RUSSERT: But, Governor, Senator Charles Grassley is a Republican from Iowa.

GOV. HUCKABEE: Yes, he’s a great guy.

MR. RUSSERT: He, he has an investigation.

GOV. HUCKABEE: Right.

MR. RUSSERT: And this is how, a week after that, this was the article in the Fort Worth paper:

“North Texas televangelist Kenneth Copeland remains defiant in refusing to cooperate with a U.S. senator’s request for information about his finances, and despite the controversy he continues having a prominent role in helping raise funds for Republican presidential” candidate “contender Mike Huckabee.”

When you tell him on the phone you stand with him and not with Congress, are you interfering in a congressional investigation in his finances?

GOV. HUCKABEE:: Oh, heavens no. No, no, no. First of all, let’s, let’s be sure. People are innocent until they’re proven guilty. That, that’s the way we’re supposed to operate.

MR. RUSSERT: But shouldn’t he cooperate and turn over the materials that Senator Grassley requested?

GOV. HUCKABEE: As far as I know, he will fulfill his responsibilities. He’s taking legal counsel. But you know what? The whole issue with Kenneth Copeland/Chuck Grassley is not an issue that I’m dealing with as a presidential candidate. It’s not a part of whether or not I ought to be running for president. And what I’m saying is that I think he’s taking his legal counsel, finding out what he’s supposed to do and where he’s supposed to cooperate, but not in, in any way yielding over the constitutional rights he has under the First Amendment to be not just a person of free speech, but also a person of freedom of religion.

MR. RUSSERT: But if you tell him “I stand with you against Congress,” and then he raises money for you…

GOV. HUCKABEE: Behind him.

MR. RUSSERT: …isn’t that interfering in an investigation?

GOV. HUCKABEE: No, it’s not interfering with an investigation. I–it’d be interfering if I called up Chuck Grassley and said lay off Kenneth Copeland. I’ve not done that, nor would, would I do that. Because I think Kenneth Copeland will ultimately have to provide some responsible answer to the questions that have been raised. And, and that’s fine. And Senator Grassley, he can request whatever information he needs. He’ll have the legal authority to do what he does, or he won’t be able to get it done. That’s all in the world that, that has to happen.

MR. RUSSERT: But he should provide all the information that’s been requested?

GOV. HUCKABEE: If the information is reasonable and it’s not violating the, the rights that Kenneth Copeland has. I, I do have a little concern. It’s a little chilling when you start thinking about is Congress going to start going after nonprofit organizations? And if so, are they going to do all nonprofits? Are they going to start looking at Moveon.org? Are they going to start looking at some of these organizations, where every dime comes from? If, if we’re going to do it, let’s open it up and make sure everybody coughs up the information.

Yes Mike Huckabee is standing with that prosperity heresy.



Kenneth Copeland on Huckabee

The prosperity doctrine is false and those endorsing godliness as a means for financial gain are devoid of solid foundation.

1 Timothy 6:3-16 (New American Standard Bible)

3 If anyone advocates a different doctrine and does not agree with sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and with the doctrine conforming to godliness,

4 he is conceited and understands nothing; but he has a morbid interest in controversial questions and disputes about words, out of which arise envy, strife, abusive language, evil suspicions,

5 and constant friction between men of depraved mind and deprived of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain.

6 But godliness actually is a means of great gain when accompanied by contentment.

7 For we have brought nothing into the world, so we cannot take anything out of it either.

8 If we have food and covering, with these we shall be content.

9 But those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a snare and many foolish and harmful desires which plunge men into ruin and destruction.

10 For the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

11 But flee from these things, you man of God, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, perseverance and gentleness.

12 Fight the good fight of faith; take hold of the eternal life to which you were called, and you made the good confession in the presence of many witnesses.

13 I charge you in the presence of God, who gives life to all things, and of Christ Jesus, who testified the good confession before Pontius Pilate,

14 that you keep the commandment without stain or reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ,

15 which He will bring about at the proper time–He who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords,

16 who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.

Avoid the proponents of false gospel.

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February 20, 2008

If You are Married, God Joined it. You Should Not Separate It. And No One Should Claim God Did Not Join it.

by @ 4:53 pm. Filed under The Truth Shall Set you Free!

Given some misconceptions about marriage, I felt this post is necessary. And the goal of this post is to help Christians understand one thing. Once you are married it is joined by God. This is not something to claim was not truly joined by God because of circumstance or issues within a marriage. I’m not saying that concessions for divorce don’t exists, they do, but I am saying that no man is to claim God did not join together the marriage. No man should claim God desires divorce either.

If we read the words of the Lord Jesus straight forward for what they are, there is no debate.

Matthew 19:3-9 (New American Standard Bible)

3 Some Pharisees came to Jesus, testing Him and asking, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any reason at all?”

4 And He answered and said, “Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE,

5 and said, ‘FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH’?

6 “So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.”

7 They said to Him, “Why then did Moses command to GIVE HER A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE AND SEND her AWAY?”

8 He said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way.

9 “And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

God does not leave any wiggle room there. He makes it clear, that once a man takes a wife the two are one flesh and therefore joined. What has been joined was joined by God and man should not separate it. It’s clear divorce is a concession, not the goal or desire of God. And one such concession is noted there. This post is not about divorce, but another divorce concession is noted in 1 Corinthians 7. Again, it is not God’s desire that couples divorce and marriage was not an institution devised for separation from the beginning.

Mark 10:2-12 (New American Standard Bible)

2 Some Pharisees came up to Jesus, testing Him, and began to question Him whether it was lawful for a man to divorce a wife.

3 And He answered and said to them, “What did Moses command you?”

4 They said, “Moses permitted a man TO WRITE A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE AND SEND her AWAY.”

5 But Jesus said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart he wrote you this commandment.

6 “But from the beginning of creation, God MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE.

7 “FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER,

8 AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH; so they are no longer two, but one flesh.

9 “What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.”

10 In the house the disciples began questioning Him about this again.

11 And He said to them, “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her;

12 and if she herself divorces her husband and marries another man, she is committing adultery.”

Again, God is not a God of nuance. The account in Mark, written for a non-Hebrew audience where both men and women could under man’s law divorce freely is just as clear. Once married they are no longer 2 but one flesh, not one spirit, but one flesh. One flesh and what God has joined no man should separate.

What if God did not really join them together?

Some claim that two people can be involved even in a first time marriage and that perhaps God did not join it. As if we get to determine via the well being of the household whether God meant something different in the verses noted above. There is no evidence of a marriage not being joined by God in the scripture noted and there is no exception for something like “happiness level”.

But God could not make something where people are not happy.

The usual retort by those who desire to claim God may not join a marriage, is to claim that things are so bad, the two so unequally yoked, that God could not have joined it. This is to claim that quality denotes whether something was ordained by God. This is unbiblical. Let me offer some examples of things fully established by God, that brought discomfort to true children of God.

Romans 9:17 (New American Standard Bible)

17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “FOR THIS VERY PURPOSE I RAISED YOU UP, TO DEMONSTRATE MY POWER IN YOU, AND THAT MY NAME MIGHT BE PROCLAIMED THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE EARTH.”

God allowed Pharaoh his position and although every day of his resistance was a day of slavery and discomfort for the Hebrews, it was all part of God’s plan.

James 1:2-5 (New American Standard Bible)

2 Consider it all joy, my brethren, when you encounter various trials,

3 knowing that the testing of your faith produces endurance.

4 And let endurance have its perfect result, so that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing.

5 But if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all generously and without reproach, and it will be given to him.

Christians have trials and anyone who is married knows that marriage in its self is a trial of sorts. The degree of trial in a marriage may vary, however it is not for us to claim that it was not ordained by God just because it is uncomfortable at times. Husband and wife should strive to abide by Ephesians 5 and even when one gets out of line the other must show they will not give into temptation outside of God’s command.

What if the person they married is not a recommended spouse according to scripture?

Some who press the “God didn’t join it” theme claim that a Christian might have married someone who was not the kind of person scripture instructs someone to marry. And from this they assert that perhaps God did not join the 2 because of some unequal yoking. Such an assertion is not biblical.

1 Corinthians 7:13 (New American Standard Bible)

13 And a woman who has an unbelieving husband, and he consents to live with her, she must not send her husband away.

Even someone married to an unregenerate heathen is commanded by God to remain with that spouse so long as it is desired they remain together. Even in unequal yoking the joining of husband and wife is not to be broken. As 1 Corinthians 7:14-16 notes, the unruly one in a marriage could come to righteousness via the more God fearing spouse.

Marriage is a union of flesh, not two spirits

It is important to highlight how marriage is the joining of 2 to become one flesh. With salvation there is a joining via the Holy Spirit to Christ, 1 Corinthians 12:12-14. Marriage is not something sealed via the Holy Spirit into eternity and after this life human marriages end, Luke 20:27-40. The cult of Mormonism makes this among many other errors in claiming marriages go beyond this life. Marriage is not truly equal with salvation (although it is a fleshly example of our union with Christ) and only a facet of this life in flesh. It does not bear the same eternal seal as salvation. This is why God commands that no man should separate a marriage, because it is an institution of this life in flesh. While 2 flesh can depart each other God does not desire it be done.

God knows when we marry, even if done multiple times.

John 4:18 (New American Standard Bible)

18 for you have had five husbands, and the one whom you now have is not your husband; this you have said truly.”

God recognizes when we join with another via fornication or adultery versus a joining in marriage. It is His desire that we marry once and keep that marriage till either spouse dies.

Matthew 5:31-37 (New American Standard Bible)

31 “It was said, ‘WHOEVER SENDS HIS WIFE AWAY, LET HIM GIVE HER A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE’;

32 but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

33 “Again, you have heard that the ancients were told, ‘YOU SHALL NOT MAKE FALSE VOWS, BUT SHALL FULFILL YOUR VOWS TO THE LORD.’

34 “But I say to you, make no oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God,

35 or by the earth, for it is the footstool of His feet, or by Jerusalem, for it is THE CITY OF THE GREAT KING.

36 “Nor shall you make an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black.

37 “But let your statement be, ‘Yes, yes’ or ‘No, no’; anything beyond these is of evil.

Let’s be true to our word. God is certainly faithful and true to His and we are to follow the example established by His Son Jesus Christ and follow His commandments.

February 19, 2008

Obama Idolatry, Babies Forsaken and More McCain Flip Flops

by @ 11:36 am. Filed under Nuts on Parade

All that is left of the 2 major party candidates are terrible, but here’s some things regarding the 2 current front runners. The 2 most likely to win their respective party’s nomination.

The idolatry over Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. is rather insane.



Fainting at Obama Rallies

If any of them claims to be a Christian, they need to read 1 Corinthians 10:14 and calm their nerves, he’s only a man. (If they are not Christians, they still need to calm down and learn about the Lord Jesus.)

Obama, the supposed man of faith, but what about the babies?



Obama lies about his faith just to win votes

Then there is John Sidney McLame McCain III. Watch him flip flop on efforts to have government give special sanction to an abomination.



John McCain Flip Flops on Gay Marriage

On a 2004 questionnaire McCain affirmed he feels homosexuals should be granted “civil unions”. McCain is trying to play both sides of the issue. Saying he is against gay “marriage”, yet he’s trying to grant all like benefits and recognition via a play on words.

And what about the babies Senator McCain?



McCain Flip Flops on Abortion

Just like Mitt Romney who has endorsed him. His position on the issue changes depending on the likelihood of whatever he says winning him votes.

Just speaking for myself, I can’t vote for anything the Democrats or Republicans have left to offer.

February 18, 2008

What “Son of God” Means

by @ 12:39 am. Filed under The Truth Shall Set you Free!

This is a concept that many don’t properly grasp. Those who come to understand it, they come to understand it as the Holy Spirit leads, by the drawing of the Father.

Matthew 16:16-17 (New American Standard Bible)

16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

17 And Jesus said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.

Our brother Oct31st1517 (Mark) has produced a video on this topic of what “Son of God” really means.



Re: oct 31 #1
(What does Son of God mean.)

Jesus made it so clear in His own words.

John 8:58 (New American Standard Bible)

58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.”

Jesus made it fully well known that He is God and that is why those against him picked up stones, to try and kill him right then for saying that. (Go read the next verse yourself.) They did not know He was the Christ and I AM, fully One with the Father.

The bottom line is this. If Jesus is not God, than there was no perfect sacrifice made for sin. This would mean the elect still have outstanding sin, just as was always the case with animal sacrifices and we’re all going to hell. Jesus is God and was the perfect sacrifice for sin, the One who knew no sin. (Hebrews 10) Believe on Him and be saved.

February 17, 2008

The Jamal-Harrison Bryant Divorce, Weak Oversight and Pimp Island!

by @ 3:30 pm. Filed under Nuts on Parade

The Baltimore Sun has produced a lengthy article about the Bryant’s pending divorce. The rest of this post assumes you will take a moment to read that full 2 page article in full.

There’s a lot I could say, but I’ve already said plenty on this. The issue I need to raise in this post is that as the article mentions regarding the AME Church organization:

There is no punishment for pastors who get divorced, Richardson said, though the conference might require a pastor to apologize to the congregation or not preach for a period of time.

This is a serious problem. Now granted, scripture does not condone this psedo-Roman Catholic model of acting like the title “Bishop” is different from the title “Elder” and placing one over the other. But Jamal’s club obviously does not have good internal oversight.

A local church should have a group of elders on equal footing, with one as the speaking elder. If an elder gets out of line, he is to be removed and if it is the speaking elder that must be removed, another of the elders should assume the role of speaking elder. That is NOT how things are at most church assemblies. So with a group like the AME organization, it is assumed the “Bishops” will address problems at a local church assembly.

Well what can the AME organization leaders do? Ask him to sit down for a while. They can’t remove him and they are not talking about disassociating from him.

So let me just post what the Bible, the Word of God, the real documented authority says about these matters.

1 Corinthians 5:9-13 notes, that we are not to simply “pray” for a so-called brother that continues in immoral activity, we are to fully disassociate from them. To the point of not even eating with them. Gizelle Bryant has found a need to disassociate herself from her husband because of his continual immoral behavior, but all the AME organization might do is talk about it, have him say “sorry” and maybe sit him down for a while. Unfortunately, for a church leader, that does NOT fulfill the command of scripture. With lay members, having them apologize and return to fellowship is within scripture’s commands. However, for a leader, they are to be men of a higher standard. When we look at 1 Timothy 3, it is IMPOSSIBLE for a church elder/bishop/pastor/overseer/(whatever other titles have been made for that man looked to as the church leader) to be a divorced man with such a bad reputation that it’s a full spread in the local city newspaper. We see the same in Titus 1. In 1 Timothy 5 we see that good elders are to be appreciated, given a salary, but elders caught in sin are to be rebuked as an example to all the others. Verse 21 notes that it is to be done WITHOUT PARTIALITY, meaning no favoritism. It is to be the blanket rule for all. Verse 22 notes that no man is to be given a role in church leadership quickly (“Do not lay hands upon anyone too hastily”), because fellow church leaders should not do anything that might burden them with another man’s sins (“and thereby share responsibility for the sins of others; keep yourself free from sin.”). The bottom line is that Jamal-Harrison Bryant was assuming church leadership and accepted by others as such too early, even before he got married, given he started “Empowerment Temple” in 2000, but has only been married 5 1/2 years according to the article. He is a man who was viewed as a church leader too hastily and one of the passages of scripture I mentioned fully details why he should be no longer viewed as a church leader.

1 Timothy 3:4-6 (New American Standard Bible)

4 He must be one who manages his own household well, keeping his children under control with all dignity

5 (but if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how will he take care of the church of God?),

6 and not a new convert, so that he will not become conceited and fall into the condemnation incurred by the devil.

If the AME Church organization does not fully disassociate from Jamal-Harrison Bryant, while knowing what he’s done and is likely to continue doing, they bring condemnation on themselves by who they laid their hands on.

I found a good video that discusses the issues facing Jamal-Harrison Bryant. The only thing that might work in Bryant’s favor is that his sins are known by all now and perhaps it will cause him to repent of sexually immoral behavior.



Flee Sexual Sins!

But with Jamal-Harrison Bryant, there is more. He’s promoting the following event.


Pimp Island

Another conference full of false doctrines. His terrible doctrine THAT IS NOT the true Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. His doctrine and those associating with him is denounced in 1 Timothy 6 and 1 Timothy 2:11-15. The money preaching is bad. Tossing people into leadership roles that don’t qualify including himself and women into roles of leadership and instruction over men is bad.

Perhaps the most abhorrent of those that will be at Jamal-Harrison Bryant’s “Empowerment Island Encounter” which I call PIMP ISLAND is Mike Murdock. See this most egregious of pimps in action in the video footage below.



The Demonic Wisdom Of Dr. Mike Murdock

If you read the scriptures I’ve already noted, you’ll know why that is total sin.

Flee these people that do evil and even flee those that maintain relationships with them. Given the evil is well known and saints should be fleeing them, not flocking to them.

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