The Baltimore Sun has produced a lengthy article about the Bryant’s pending divorce. The rest of this post assumes you will take a moment to read that full 2 page article in full.
There’s a lot I could say, but I’ve already said plenty on this. The issue I need to raise in this post is that as the article mentions regarding the AME Church organization:
There is no punishment for pastors who get divorced, Richardson said, though the conference might require a pastor to apologize to the congregation or not preach for a period of time.
This is a serious problem. Now granted, scripture does not condone this psedo-Roman Catholic model of acting like the title “Bishop” is different from the title “Elder” and placing one over the other. But Jamal’s club obviously does not have good internal oversight.
A local church should have a group of elders on equal footing, with one as the speaking elder. If an elder gets out of line, he is to be removed and if it is the speaking elder that must be removed, another of the elders should assume the role of speaking elder. That is NOT how things are at most church assemblies. So with a group like the AME organization, it is assumed the “Bishops” will address problems at a local church assembly.
Well what can the AME organization leaders do? Ask him to sit down for a while. They can’t remove him and they are not talking about disassociating from him.
So let me just post what the Bible, the Word of God, the real documented authority says about these matters.
1 Corinthians 5:9-13 notes, that we are not to simply “pray” for a so-called brother that continues in immoral activity, we are to fully disassociate from them. To the point of not even eating with them. Gizelle Bryant has found a need to disassociate herself from her husband because of his continual immoral behavior, but all the AME organization might do is talk about it, have him say “sorry” and maybe sit him down for a while. Unfortunately, for a church leader, that does NOT fulfill the command of scripture. With lay members, having them apologize and return to fellowship is within scripture’s commands. However, for a leader, they are to be men of a higher standard. When we look at 1 Timothy 3, it is IMPOSSIBLE for a church elder/bishop/pastor/overseer/(whatever other titles have been made for that man looked to as the church leader) to be a divorced man with such a bad reputation that it’s a full spread in the local city newspaper. We see the same in Titus 1. In 1 Timothy 5 we see that good elders are to be appreciated, given a salary, but elders caught in sin are to be rebuked as an example to all the others. Verse 21 notes that it is to be done WITHOUT PARTIALITY, meaning no favoritism. It is to be the blanket rule for all. Verse 22 notes that no man is to be given a role in church leadership quickly (”Do not lay hands upon anyone too hastily”), because fellow church leaders should not do anything that might burden them with another man’s sins (”and thereby share responsibility for the sins of others; keep yourself free from sin.”). The bottom line is that Jamal-Harrison Bryant was assuming church leadership and accepted by others as such too early, even before he got married, given he started “Empowerment Temple” in 2000, but has only been married 5 1/2 years according to the article. He is a man who was viewed as a church leader too hastily and one of the passages of scripture I mentioned fully details why he should be no longer viewed as a church leader.
1 Timothy 3:4-6 (New American Standard Bible)
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If the AME Church organization does not fully disassociate from Jamal-Harrison Bryant, while knowing what he’s done and is likely to continue doing, they bring condemnation on themselves by who they laid their hands on.
I found a good video that discusses the issues facing Jamal-Harrison Bryant. The only thing that might work in Bryant’s favor is that his sins are known by all now and perhaps it will cause him to repent of sexually immoral behavior.
But with Jamal-Harrison Bryant, there is more. He’s promoting the following event.
Another conference full of false doctrines. His terrible doctrine THAT IS NOT the true Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. His doctrine and those associating with him is denounced in 1 Timothy 6 and 1 Timothy 2:11-15. The money preaching is bad. Tossing people into leadership roles that don’t qualify including himself and women into roles of leadership and instruction over men is bad.
Perhaps the most abhorrent of those that will be at Jamal-Harrison Bryant’s “Empowerment Island Encounter” which I call PIMP ISLAND is Mike Murdock. See this most egregious of pimps in action in the video footage below.
If you read the scriptures I’ve already noted, you’ll know why that is total sin.
Flee these people that do evil and even flee those that maintain relationships with them. Given the evil is well known and saints should be fleeing them, not flocking to them.
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February 17th, 2008 at 11:53 pm
The “Birds of a feather” rule applies to this gallery of false teachers. Mike Murdock constantly pronounces that curse upon himself in his “prayers,” while Benny Hinn pronounces curses upon “any man or woman who dares speak against his ministry.” You feel fear for them. Or, as David says, “Rivers of waters run down mine eyes, because they keep not thy law.” (Psalm 119:136)
So much loss to come over such little gain if they don’t repent their ways. But, how shall they restore what they’ve taken when Zaccheus restored four-fold to all he cheated? Where would they get that kind of money? Can you imagine how much it would cost them to do what Zaccheus did?
February 18th, 2008 at 12:09 am
I just remembered another passage from Psalm 119 about the fear their predatory work should cause us: “Horror hath taken hold upon me because of the wicked that forsake thy law.” (v. 53)
Makes you realize just how much this world needs Jesus to return. And, when He does, He’s taking vengeance upon all who do not know God and don’t obey His gospel.
IndependentConservative reply on February 18th, 2008 at 12:16 am :
These pimps always make me think of Psalm 10.
stan reply on February 18th, 2008 at 12:34 am :
Very appropriate.
February 18th, 2008 at 10:51 am
Maybe it’s my juvenile mind, but this sounds more like a telethon than a preacher spreading the Word. BTW his self-cursing holds no wait anyway
February 18th, 2008 at 8:54 pm
Anyone who calls a curse upon Him self in My opinion would be a Demon,Even Satan knows the Scripture.What fool who is knowledgable in the least would call a curse upon themselves,They Know that there is no Retribution from their Father, for they truly are of the Devil.
SteelGator reply on February 19th, 2008 at 1:14 pm :
Great points…What is up with him calling a curse upon himself. Why won’t God just
give him what he wants and destroy him?
IC, any thoughts?
IndependentConservative reply on February 19th, 2008 at 1:40 pm :
Like I said, people like him are all that Psalm 10 speaks about. He does not really fear God, or even know of Him. I don’t feel a person who really believes God exists could say such things, given what we know. Psalm 137:6 is not to be toyed with like that, or used as a tool to collect money.
Unless Mike Murdock is granted repentance, he’s on the bad end of the clay!
Romans 9:21-24 (New American Standard Bible)
A vessel fitted for destruction is what he very possibly will prove to be, if that mouth of his does not ever form words of repentance for what he is doing. He appears to be one drawing in those with hearts that are not right and locked in the iniquity noted in Acts 8:20-23. Thinking their money can buy a move of God on their behalf, along with those working with him as if they can sell one.
Even if Jamal Bryant was faithful to his wife, how can his AME organization stand to remain associated with him? I think it’s really got something to do with money, because it’s certainly not about sound doctrine.
stan reply on February 19th, 2008 at 10:10 pm :
Steelgator: I believe God does not destroy them so quickly because He uses them to weed out the false believers. They will follow these wolves. It is these false believers who want these kinds of teachers to tell them things their itching ears want to hear. So, God gives them over to these smooth-talking parasites. So, He “bears long with these vessels of wrath.”
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:23 am
The world definitely needs Jesus to return. Especially, self-righteous hypocrites who have nothing better to do but spout their opinions all over a blog. I wonder what you all did last night, or a few days ago, or even a few years ago. Is someone on this blog addicted to drugs, alcohol, pornography even? I wonder if anyone ever cheated on a boyfriend or girlfriend, or divorced a spouse. OH MY! We all must be without sin. I think I just found the Jackpot! The blog of perfect Christians! Why don’t we all just post all our mistakes and issues so that Independent Conservative can pull out the Bible and condemn us all to eternal damnation. Independent Conservative, you are definitely a leader. A leader of judgement, confusion, criticism and hate. Take those words and digest them since you like to spout scriptures from the Bible. Look those words up and see what they say. While you all are criticizing Jamal Bryant and other ministers, I wonder what Jesus would say to Jamal. Would he forgive him like he forgave the Prostitute or maybe he’ll forgive him like God forgave Paul the murderer. And wasn’t Paul used mightily by God? Or just maybe he’ll forgive him like God forgives you all for all your grotesque sins. I know he forgives me. I’m a 21-year old college student with a history you wouldn’t believe. On numerous occasions I’ve watched this “False Prophet” as some of you, especially you Independent Conservative, like to call him. I saw sincerity and anointing and it has blessed my life. He has no doubt been used by God in my life because I’m living the evidence. Ever since I first heard him speak on TBN, with the other false prophets I guess, He has blessed my life. We are all only human,and you people don’t think the Devil will try to use whatever He can to cause God’s people to stumble. He’s using you all right now. I don’t care if Jamal Bryant pimped whores from his church, do you think I’m going act all high and mighty on a blog because no one sees my face or knows my past? I think not, because I don’t answer to you all, I answer to God and when Christ returns and I stand before him on judgement day, I don’t want the question of “Why did you judge Jamal Bryant as if you are without sin” to be added to my long list of bad behavior.
IndependentConservative reply on February 22nd, 2008 at 10:35 am :
GMRM says:
I know what He’ll say if Jamal does not come to true repentance, Matthew 7:15-23. See it there in verse 23. Jamal is displaying the bad fruit in doctrine AND deed!
Did you not notice in your Bible how once God granted repentance to Paul and a prostitute how they FOLLOWED JESUS and TURNED FROM THEIR WICKED WAYS? Jamal claims the Lord’s name, but is involved in all manner of immorality CONTINUALLY, go read 1 Corinthians 5:9-13 as was recommended in the post. Jamal claims to be a follower of Jesus while engaged in CONTINUAL EVIL. Till he really starts living for Christ instead of spreading that false gospel you repeat from people like him, he’s lost and you might be pit bound with him, Luke 6:39-40. Thinking you are learning from a man of true and light, when you are misled by a false teacher, 2 Corinthians 11:13-15.
You should be seeking to follow the commands of God, not pimps. You’ve learned some things in a twisted doctrine that is not the true Gospel of the Lord Jesus. Yes Christ forgives the sins of those who believe on Him and those who try to use His name for personal gain are acting outside of the truth. Consider the fact is that the Bible teaches a message of Contentment, not financial reward.
Have you ever read 1 Timothy 3 in full? You should read this post again an READ THE SCRIPTURES LINKED IN FULL.
You talk a lot, but you’re VERY SHORT on scripture. You need a better foundation. We’re not talking about Jamal’s past before salvation, we are talking about his continual present while he assumes a role of church leadership. Mess that only continues and has been going on for some time. Would you care if Jamal raped a member of your family? Does he have to get to the point of being found guilty of breaking a law of man before you care?
You speak of how you have a sinful past, as we all do. However you don’t speak of still keeping in those ways. You claim to have been forgiven and not into such continually. You seem not to wish to repeat your history, while we see Jamal Bryant doing mess continually. See that first video above again, adulterers who keep putting their adultery before following Christ WILL NOT inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.
You’re running from 1 Corinthians 5:9-13 and offering a philosophy of man in claiming no saint should judge when a church leader gets out of line.
GMRM, you honestly are not well trained in the scriptures. You’re 21 and have not been claiming to be a Christian very long. You’re still trying to figure out what much of Christianity is. I recommend you read your Bible away from people like Jamal-Harrison Bryant. Read how the Lord Jesus and His Apostles commanded the church be. Any good and any true repentance you have experienced is from God and you should not place it on loyalty in a man who is misleading you and offering a terrible example.
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:50 am
Don’t recommend much of anything to me sir. Don’t bring my age into this and don’t tell me what I have been taught. I understand what the Bible says very well which is why I can say what I have to say without putting a list of verses underneath my name. Did I place loyalty in a man? I said Jamal Bryant was used by GOD because he was. The bottom line is that YOU sir are not GOD and this blog is not the BIBLE. You keep talking about “my Bible” and what I don’t understand, while you so conveniently overlook the fact that what your blog represents is not Christlike. And since I seem to be so SHORT on scripture, here’s one for you: James 4: 11,12: Don’t speak evil against each other, my dear brothers and sisters. If you criticize each other and condemn each other, then you are criticizing and condemning God’s law. BUT YOU ARE NOT A JUDGE WHO CAN DECIDE WHETHER THE LAW IS RIGHT OR WRONG. YOUR JOB IS TO OBEY IT. GOD ALONE WHO MADE THE LAW, CAN RIGHTLY JUDGE AMONG US. HE ALONE HAS POWER TO SAVE OR TO DESTROY. SO WHAT RIGHT DO YOU HAVE TO CONDEMN YOUR NEIGHBOR. Is this in your Bible Independent Conservative? Don’t present your facts to me, present the Bible’s, all the facts in the Bible.
IndependentConservative reply on February 22nd, 2008 at 11:02 am :
GMRM, or should I call you Crystal 08, I saw your comments against me on my brother Job’s blog and he responded to you rightly.
It is clear you are a woman who is headstrong and refusing any sound instruction in truth. You are banished from here unless or until you are able to learn a better way. I can’t spend forever with someone not ready for the truth.
I presented scripture to you showing what the Bible instructs regarding who should be a church leader and you have rejected it. Claiming I’m judging outside of the bounds of scripture. While you defend a man who lives outside of it.