So he’s dropped out of the 2008 Presidential race. He’s planning to try again in 2012. And he hopes you’ll have forgotten this by then.
Don’t fall for his tricks. Not even 4 years from now.
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February 15th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
The fact the he believes that Jesus and the devil are brothers is enough for me. I could care less about any other lie he spews. The brother thing beats it all.
February 15th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Mitt is out of the race so what he said then and now is irrelevant. If he runs in 2012, we will have to examine him then. He is not the only Mormon that ran or is in national office.
You might want to examine Orin Hatch, Senator from Utah (R). How about the Senate Majority leader? Harry Reid, Senator from Nevada (D). He can have far more impact on lives of Americans than Mitt. He runs the Senate and he is a wacked our pro-abortion liberal and a Mormon.
Enough with the Mitt bellyaching…..Get on the other Mormons in elected office.
IndependentConservative reply on February 15th, 2008 at 1:21 pm :
It is very much relevant. Given he does plan to run in 2012. His entire campaign and all who associate with or endorsed him (directly or indirectly) is relevant.
And SteelGator, you should know by now, I’ve got my eye on all of them.
If you want to expose something with Hatch and Reid, brother crank up a blog and go for it. Mitt running for President only paves a means for them to try in the future too. If you search around this blog you might find I’ve noted one or both of the others you’ve mentioned, for their actions.
I might post about Mitt daily till 2012 if I feel it good to do.
February 15th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
It is your blog so do as you see fit. You will be just wasting your time. Mitt is out and he is back in the private sector. The only thing he can do in the immediate future is affect stock holdings, if you have stock in any of the companies he controls.
Reid and Hatch can do far much more damage to America than Mitt can (at least the next 4 years).
Hatch is right on as most conservatives go. He is not an “attention pimp” and votes the right way almost 95-98% of the time. Other than being a Mormon nut and looking at an eternity in hell, Hatch is not a bad Senator.
Conversely, Reid stinks. He is not only a Mormon, but a liberal, anti-American, pro-abortion, big government socialist. Reid also has the power to dictate what legislation gets debated and voted on. More people need to learn about this evil nut job.
IndependentConservative reply on February 15th, 2008 at 1:42 pm :
Very much your opinion.
Last I saw, Mitt was endorsing some Liberal named John McLame
. Who’s to say the name McLame might pick as a running mate?
So Hatch is OK with you as long as he votes as you desire and his current position of being hell bound is just secondary for you?
(You’re just opening yourself up for this stuff, making it easy for me
.)
February 19th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
I doubt Mitt will become the V.P. He does not have much to offer McLame.
As for Hatch, I am fine with him as a Senator. Where in the Bible did it say we are to only have Christian leaders in the United States or any country for that matter? Did Jesus direct His disciples to run for the Roman Senate? How about for a leadership position in the Temple? Hatch votes with our cause more times than not, and he represents a state that is majority Mormon. If they want to vote Hatch in, I would rather have him than some bleeding heart liberal. God can even use an unbeliever to work good in our government and His kingdom.
As for him being hell bound, this is another issue all together. I can only pray for him and all other unsaved folks that they might hear the Word of the Lord and receive the gift of salvation. I don’t know Orin personally or I would be glad to share the Gospel with him.
Hatch being hell bound has nothing to do with our political structure or political culture. We have had many great American leaders (Thomas Jefferson, a deist) that were not born again believers. Thus, they were hell bound. However, God used them for his purpose. Are you saying God could not or would not ever call a believer to vote for a nonbeliever?
IndependentConservative reply on February 19th, 2008 at 5:06 pm :
He’s been serving up his super delegates rather nicely to McLame.
Where in the Bible does it say we should or should not vote at all? It’s up to each of us to decide on these things as the Lord leads. It’s Romans 14 and I have Liberty to decide which way I’ll go on the matter.
With Romney, there is a cult desiring to increase its ranks. As was mentioned in this video what you DO NOT WANT is for the young cult members in white shirts to start saying at doors “let me tell you about the President’s religion” or the VP for that matter. Romney just like McLame changes answers with the polling samples for the group he’s speaking to. Even heathens know to avoid voting for big time liars.
McCain claims Christianity, not voting for him. And if Mitt claimed Christianity with all his lies I’d STILL not vote for him. Mitt’s cult membership is simply additional yuck seasoning on a rotten dish.
With this you’re making a good case for Christians not to vote at all. You’ve gone from spinning your wheels to driving in reverse
.
You’re coming up with lots of hypotheticals, but the bottom line is that lying former Mormon “bishop” Mitt is no good and a double talker like John McLame/McCain is no good either. Mitt’s efforts are part of the advancement of a cult and he set the stage with them from the start.
Here’s another you should check out:
Smacking Mormonism Down and a Challenge to Mitt Romney!
Oh but it DOES. Because each man is influenced by his convictions. While you might see items of agreement now, given enough power you might be disappointed.
We agree God uses who he places in seats of power for his plan. Including Nero who killed Christians. Letting the Lord’s will be done does not require me to endorse what I see as something I don’t want my name on.
Now you would like to place me in a neat little box, but you ignore when I noted I probably would have voted for the Roman Catholic cult member named Alan Keyes if I lived in IL when he ran against Barack Hussein Obama Junior.
The bottom line is this, there are certain votes I don’t make because I can’t in good conscience and I’d rather not answer to God for those actions. It is based on my own knowledge of the given matter at hand and each decision with my voting or refusing is made based on it’s own merits.
And I can say, that in 2012 I won’t be voting for Mitt, even if he gets the Republican nomination and you make a boatload of excuses to endorse him.
SteelGator, you are Republican and a rather loyal one to back McLame. I am an Independent and don’t hold to your loyalties.
Probably nobody is talking about it now, but former Romney fan and dual covenant heresy endorser Ann Coulter said she’d back Hillary over McCain!
February 20th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
As for Hatch, you can say his Mormonism matters but in his case, it really has not mattered. It did not even affect him when he was Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. I can’t recall one time it caused him to vote one way or the other. Harry Reid is a Mormon too and he votes the opposite way of Hatch. If you can find a vote (Hatch’s vote) that was influenced by his Mormonism, please let me know. The last time I checked, there has not been a pro polygamy bill before Congress. If you can’t support this cult member than you should not support any Catholic members of congress. How about the Congressional members that claim to be born again Christians and vote the right way but really are not Christians? Should you not vote for them? Thomas Jefferson was a deist…..so if you lived back then, you would not vote for him? How about Washington? He said he was a Christian but he was a Mason. Could you not have voted for him? How about Reagan? We don’t know that he was a Christian. He was also a pro choice governor at one time. Would his past views make him a “flip flopper” that you could not support?
Both Hitler and Stalin were evil but America had to make a choice in WWII. If we did not side with evil Stalin, we would be speaking German today. If you lived then, what would you do? Would you side with our government that was siding with the secular humanist, commie, Stalin? Would you not support either side and just let God hash it out? Would you refuse to go to war and fight along side commie soldiers to defeat the evil Nazi regime?
In regard to the third party candidates, how can you be sure that they are true born again Christians and not just living a lie to get elected? When you make such pious statements, you then back yourself into a corner. It then makes it hard for you to come out and support anyone, because ALL politicians and people in general have fallen short of the glory of God. If the Apostle Paul was running for office, many Christians (Not saying you), even though Paul is a born again brother in Christ, would not vote for him because of his PAST…you know the part about murdering and persecuting Christians.
Also, you indicated that I would be supporting Romney in 2012? Please don’t put words in my mouth. We just started 2008 so I am hardly looking forward to 2012. I hope the Republicans have some real candidates that I can enthusiastically support….Someone in the Reagan mold. A man can always dream, right.
As an Christian American, I just can not stand by and allow a secular humanist Marxist like Obama or
SteelGator reply on February 20th, 2008 at 3:53 pm :
PLEASE IGNORE….READ THE POST BELOW, PLEASE.
February 20th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
IC: Some good points….However, Romney has no control over his delegates or super delegates. He can ask them to support McCain but they are individuals that can do what they please with their nominating vote. Romney is also not of any importance to McLame. Mitt can’t carry any big state for John so I just don’t see John putting Mitt on the ticket. I would like to see McLame put somebody like Fred Thompson on the ticket. In the end, Mitt is back to the private sector and we will see what he does in the mean time.
As for Hatch, you can say his Mormonism matters but in his case, it really has not mattered. It did not even affect him when he was Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. I can’t recall one time it caused him to vote one way or the other. Harry Reid is a Mormon too and he votes the opposite way of Hatch. If you can find a vote (Hatch’s vote) that was influenced by his Mormonism, please let me know. The last time I checked, there has not been a pro polygamy bill before Congress. If you can’t support this cult member than you should not support any Catholic members of congress. How about the Congressional members that claim to be born again Christians and vote the right way but really are not Christians? Should you not vote for them? Thomas Jefferson was a deist…..so if you lived back then, you would not vote for him? How about Washington? He said he was a Christian but he was a Mason. Could you not have voted for him? How about Reagan? We don’t know that he was a Christian. He was also a pro choice governor at one time. Would his past views make him a “flip flopper” that you could not support?
Both Hitler and Stalin were evil but America had to make a choice in WWII. If we did not side with evil Stalin, we would be speaking German today. If you lived then, what would you do? Would you side with our government that was siding with the secular humanist, commie, Stalin? Would you not support either side and just let God hash it out? Would you refuse to go to war and fight along side commie soldiers to defeat the evil Nazi regime?
In regard to the third party candidates, how can you be sure that they are true born again Christians and not just living a lie to get elected? When you make such pious statements, you then back yourself into a corner. It then makes it hard for you to come out and support anyone, because ALL politicians and people in general have fallen short of the glory of God. If the Apostle Paul was running for office, many Christians (Not saying you), even though Paul is a born again brother in Christ, would not vote for him because of his PAST…you know the part about murdering and persecuting Christians.
Also, you indicated that I would be supporting Romney in 2012? Please don’t put words in my mouth. We just started 2008 so I am hardly looking forward to 2012. I hope the Republicans have some real candidates that I can enthusiastically support….Someone in the Reagan mold. A man can always dream, right.
As an Christian American, I just can not stand by and allow a secular humanist Marxist like Obama or Hilldabeast to become the leader of the free world. If that means voting for McCain, so be it
IndependentConservative reply on February 20th, 2008 at 5:11 pm :
Uh, you know Mormons like polygamy and Orin Hatch waffles a bit on marriage, check out: Waiting for Hatch.
And check this out: Hatch spars about polygamy at town meet. Uh, he was NOT the guy speaking strongly against polygamy there my brother.
You need to back off Orrin.
You keep repeating the same lines over and over and obviously ignoring some things I’ve said previously. So I’m not going to respond to it. Perhaps you’ll go back and read my prior comments already made and find the answer to your questions. Because you say the same stuff 100 times and I’m done answering it 100 times.
How do I know you’re anything more than a Republican
!!!
Again I’m not re-addressing your same statements. Do you copy/paste this stuff from your prior statements? Find and read my prior responses to you. If it does not help you get it, yes the Lord’s will be done sir.
SteelGator reply on February 25th, 2008 at 2:13 pm :
Thanks for the links on Hatch. His voting record still is very conservative. Not to mention, he represents a state that is a majority Mormon. So of course, these cult members are going to vote for one of their own. I never have had the opportunity to vote for or against Hatch. However, I would rather have him in the Senate than some liberal nut ball.
As for this election, you probably will not change your mind and you will not change mine. Thus, we must just agree to disagree and pray the Lord’s will be done.
PEACE
SteelGator reply on February 25th, 2008 at 2:22 pm :
P.S….Where in those two links does Hatch support polygamy? He even states that he personally is against it. Good stretch to make your point.
IndependentConservative reply on February 25th, 2008 at 3:06 pm :
Show you Hatch is no good and you offer cover for him, interesting.
Your pal Orrin Hatch said:
Nothing about charging them with polygamy. Warren Jeffs would probably be out on the street if Hatch had his way.
Like the others, he says enough to get by, just like other lying Mormons and you cover for him.
IndependentConservative reply on February 25th, 2008 at 3:09 pm :
One man responded to Hatch well in saying:
Nothing is done, because Hatch is A-OK with it!
If Hatch made a single phone call he could see that someone did more about the issue of polygamy, but he won’t! To him, polygamists are “very fine people”
.
SteelGator reply on February 25th, 2008 at 5:45 pm :
IC: You do yourself an injustice when you only take half the quote and leave off the other part.
“I’m not here to justify polygamy,” Hatch said. “All I can say is, I know people in Hildale who are polygamists who are very fine people. You come and show me evidence of children being abused there and I’ll get involved. Bring the evidence to me.”
“I expect people, whether they’re in polygamous or monogamous relationships, to protect children,” said Hatch. “I personally don’t believe in polygamy.”
I am not defending Hatch one way or the other. However, you are the one that is making the allegation that Hatch supports polygamy. You will have to do better than this to prove your point.
The other article does not even show Hatch in a negative light. Any arguments against his amendment were shown to be false.
P.S. I really do like the Catholic cult member Rick Santorum. It is ashame that he got voted out of office. He was a great pro-life, pro family Senator.
IndependentConservative reply on February 25th, 2008 at 6:14 pm :
The Waiting for Hatch article notes how Orrin Hatch would have left an open door for possible polygamy. NEVER has this nation’s federal government permitted anything in a state beyond one man and one woman, even when states were allowed to play off race. Utah had to do away with polygamy to be allowed into the Union. Hatch proposed something inconsistent with the nation’s history.
You can’t say you find some polygamist to be “very fine people” if you feel polygamy is bad. It’s like saying I know some drug dealers are very fine people. Polygamy and dope dealing are ILLEGAL.
He’s double talking and you’re a great Republican SteelGator.
February 26th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Would you say some Muslims are fine people? If so, how can you say that? They all support the jihad endorsed by the Koran. They ALL support the cult of death known as Islam. The Koran calls for the killing of infidels. Killing someone for their religious beliefs or lack of beliefs is against the law, and these Muslims support these “fine” killers.
Following your line of thinking, no Mormon nor Muslim can do any good or be any good because of their support of their cult and their cults illegal activates.
I notice you really have a terrible hatred , no that is too harsh. It looks as if you have a terrible dislike for Mormons. I dislike their religion. I know it is a false religion. However, I don’t hate the Mormon people and I pray that God will open their eyes to their false beliefs. Even though Orin Hatch is a cult member and has some beliefs I find appalling, he still has been a pretty good US Senator for the conservative cause. Like it or not, this is the truth. Would I personally vote for Orin? I don’t know. Thank God I have not had to make this choice. Orin is a lot better than some other Mormons that serve in the Federal government.
IndependentConservative reply on February 26th, 2008 at 12:55 pm :
We are talking about illegal activity and who sees practitioners of that illegal activity as “very fine people”.
Somewhere in this you’ve missed something.
There is an ELEPHANT in the room!
February 26th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
What about my point do you not get. I am making the same point that you are. Are their some fine Muslim people? If so, how can this be? Your average Muslim supports the terrorists and I am sure they see the terrorists as “fine people”. Would you say that these average Muslims can not do good even though they see terrorists (doing illegal activity) as “fine people”.
You get where I am coming from…your strong dislike of Mormons forces you to paint yourself into a corner. There is a MORMON HATER in the room. You seem to be really afraid of Mormons for some reason. Just my observations.
IndependentConservative reply on February 26th, 2008 at 2:33 pm :
I never said Mormons are “very fine people”, they are apostates I show truth to if they are willing to listen. Same for Muslims.
However, you’re off on a tangent of faith, when I’m speaking of polygamy as unlawful activity, that Hatch is soft on. He’s calling law breakers, blatant law breakers “very fine people”.
But obfuscation and ad hominem against me are about all you’ve got left.
IndependentConservative reply on February 26th, 2008 at 2:35 pm :
Yes and Mormons I speak with call me “Anti Mormon” ALL THE TIME. And I intend to keep the title they have given me.
February 26th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
I shouldn’t have called you a Mormon hater….Anti Mormon is probably right on. However, I am anti Mormon, I just don’t hate them personally. It just sounds like you have something real personal against them…Not just against their faith.
To sum up the Orin Hatch ordeal….I don’t like that he is a Mormon, and I find some of what he and other Mormons stand for to be unpleasant and ungodly. Overall, he is a pretty good Senator for the conservative cause. In politics there are no black and white…..Just a bunch of grey that everyone must work with even if they want to get their positions pushed forward.
IndependentConservative reply on February 26th, 2008 at 3:19 pm :
If it were personal, I would not tell them the truth of Christ. All I have personal for them is love. This does not mean I see them walking in apostasy and call them “very fine people”. And I certainly don’t look at people blatantly breaking laws of both God and man and call them “very fine people”, but some of them (like Hatch) do. I don’t consider people who call law breakers “very fine people” anything close to being a “very fine”.