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February 9, 2008

Rick Warren Explains His Desire For the World. (Davos) This Time I?ll Let You Sound The Alarm.

by @ 2:20 pm. Filed under Nuts on Parade

KyleNYC sent me a video of false teacher (so-called pastor of the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ via his Saddleback Church) Rick Warren answering “The Davos Question”.

What one thing do you think that countries, companies or individuals must do to make the world a better place in 2008?

I find his answer to be most disturbing, especially coming from a man who claims the Lord’s name.

You can watch it below.



Rick Warren answers the Davos Question

For this one, I’ll use a format used here once before.

Here?s the deal. I normally show you this stuff and then give full details of why this sort of thing fails to line up with scripture and also why it?s a terrible thing based on scripture. I could do that once again, but I?d like some of you to take a stab at this one. Basically, the first 5 best comments (not the first 5, but the first 5 best), that offer scripture based analysis of this foolishness will become part of this post. I mean, this post will be updated with 5 additions from the comments you make. The first 5 that detail part or all of why this defies the truth of the Lord Jesus Christ.

So go for it. The next words you read in this post will be scripture based commentary from some of you. Who rightfully divide scripture over this mess.


update 2/09/2008 10:48PM:
Stan has the first commentary and it pulls no punches. Below is the comment with scripture based commentary from stan.

Rick Warren’s presence at Davos should be a wake up call for all who have ever promoted or taught his Purpose Driven series. It shows his underlying humanistic roots. Here is a quote from Davos’ website:

“Our vision for the World Economic Forum is threefold. It aims to be: the foremost organization which builds and energizes leading global communities; the creative force shaping global, regional and industry strategies; the catalyst of choice for its communities when undertaking global initiatives to improve the state the world.

A believer should understand some basic things about the world and his part in it during this age:
1. The world lies in wickedness (or, in the power of the evil one) 1 John 5:19
2. The world’s ills are judgments from God for their sins: Isaiah 26:9; Ezekiel 14:13-19
3. The world and its evil inhabitants will be thoroughly burned: Deuteronomy 32:22; 2 Thessalonians 1:7-9; 2 Peter 3:7
4. The world actually hates true believers and wants them dead: Matthew 24:9
5. “Believers” who are loved by the world are really of it: 1 John 4:5
6. Such “believers” are called false prophets: Luke 6:26
7. True believers are to save themselves from this corrupt generation: Acts 2:40
5. True believers are to preach the Gospel and make disciples of Jesus Christ among the nations: Matthew 28:19-20; Mark 16:15
6. They are to be separate: 2 Corinthians 6:17
7. They are aliens and strangers in the world now: 1 Peter 2:11
8. Neither Jesus nor any apostle ever taught that the Church body was to be an instrument of world economic, political and social reform.
9. The believer are to do good to all men, but especially to believers: Galatians 6:10
10. The believers true interest in the world is in the welfare of the saints: Galatians 6:10; 1 Timothy 2:2

The last point concerns Warren’s joining with Davos: The Scripture forbids Christians to yoke themselves with unbelievers, yet Warren believes the church should join with the World Economic Forum to help solve the world’s devastating problems. This is pure humanistic delusion.

Ever since Babel, humanity has wanted unity in their rebellion against God. The nations obstinately refuse to seek the God Who made them, yet that is the “purpose” God wants them “driven” to. This was a key point that Paul made in Athens in Acts 17:27: so that they (the nations) should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us (My parentheses.)

Davos is an expression of the continuing rebellion of man who wish to perfect the world without God or the rulership of His Christ. It is abject rejection and denial of Him. For Warren to join them, he either does not understand the judgments because of the world’s rebellion, or is deliberately a part of it. Purporting to be a minister of God, Warren betrays the Lord in order to facilitate the humanistic strivings of the wicked.

The catastrophic problems they seek to solve are the judgments of God. Without humbly turning to the God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ, they will only get worse until the judgments of Revelation are fulfilled and Jesus returns to fight the battle of Armageddon.

Where is Rick Warren with that message? Isn’t that Purpose good enough to Drive him?



17 Responses to “Rick Warren Explains His Desire For the World. (Davos) This Time I?ll Let You Sound The Alarm.”

  1. stan Says:

    Rick Warren’s presence at Davos should be a wake up call for all who have ever promoted or taught his Purpose Driven series. It shows his underlying humanistic roots. Here is a quote from Davos’ website: “Our vision for the World Economic Forum is threefold. It aims to be: the foremost organization which builds and energizes leading global communities; the creative force shaping global, regional and industry strategies; the catalyst of choice for its communities when undertaking global initiatives to improve the state the world.
    http://www.weforum.org/en/about/Our%20Organization/index.htm

    A believer should understand some basic things about the world and his part in it during this age:
    1. The world lies in wickedness (or, in the power of the evil one) 1 John 5:19
    2. The world’s ills are judgments from God for their sins: Isaiah 26:9; Ezekiel 14:13-19
    3. The world and its evil inhabitants will be thoroughly burned: Deuteronomy 32:22; 2 Thessalonians 1:7-9; 2 Peter 3:7
    4. The world actually hates true believers and wants them dead: Matthew 24:9
    5. “Believers” who are loved by the world are really of it: 1 John 4:5
    6. Such “believers” are called false prophets: Luke 6:26
    7. True believers are to save themselves from this corrupt generation: Acts 2:40
    5. True believers are to preach the Gospel and make disciples of Jesus Christ among the nations: Matthew 28:19-20; Mark 16:15
    6. They are to be separate: 2 Corinthians 6:17
    7. They are aliens and strangers in the world now: 1 Peter 2:11
    8. Neither Jesus nor any apostle ever taught that the Church body was to be an instrument of world economic, political and social reform.
    9. The believer are to do good to all men, but especially to believers: Galatians 6:10
    10. The believers true interest in the world is in the welfare of the saints: Galatians 6:10; 1 Tim. 2:2

    The last point concerns Warren’s joining with Davos: The Scripture forbids Christians to yoke themselves with unbelievers, yet Warren believes the church should join with the World Economic Forum to help solve the world’s devastating problems. This is pure humanistic delusion.

    Ever since Babel, humanity has wanted unity in their rebellion against God. The nations obstinately refuse to seek the God Who made them, yet that is the “purpose” God wants them “driven” to. This was a key point that Paul made in Athens in Acts 17:27: so that they (the nations) should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us (My parentheses.)

    Davos is an expression of the continuing rebellion of man who wish to perfect the world without God or the rulership of His Christ. It is abject rejection and denial of Him. For Warren to join them, he either does not understand the judgments because of the world’s rebellion, or is deliberately a part of it. Purporting to be a minister of God, Warren betrays the Lord in order to facilitate the humanistic strivings of the wicked.

    The catastrophic problems they seek to solve are the judgments of God. Without humbly turning to the God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ, they will only get worse until the judgments of Revelation are fulfilled and Jesus returns to fight the battle of Armageddon.

    Where is Rick Warren with that message? Isn’t that Purpose good enough to Drive him?

  2. 2thehilt Says:

    Well said Stan…One other observation I had is that you have to be careful when dealing with members of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). That revelation alone wrapped up everything in a neat little bow as to what Rick Warren’s real motivations are. Scary and sad!

  3. truthintheselastdays Says:

    A hearty Amen from a very flu-ridden kid! Rick Warren never ceases to amaze me with how he is so far gone from the true gospel

  4. IndependentConservative Says:

    We’re all praying you return to full health.

  5. stan Says:

    It’s such a predictable trend with these mega-church pastors and authors of million-plus best sellers: They get it into their heads that they are little messiahs that have the answers for the world that even God does not provide at this time. Warren is no different. He is now so delusional that he believes he can pull “the faith sector” of 2.3 billion into a partnership with the World Economic Forum to fix the world.

    Keep dreaming, Rick. Or, as Paul would say to you, “awake, sleeper, arise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.”

  6. KyleNYC Says:

    Here’s why the CFR is dangerous. It comes DIRECTLY from their publication, Foreign Affairs:

    “If instant world government, Charter review, and a greatly strengthened International Court do not provide the answers, what hope for progress is there? The answer will not satisfy those who seek simple solutions to complex problems, but it comes down essentially to this: The hope for the foreseeable lies, not in building up a few ambitious central institutions of universal membership and general jurisdiction as was envisaged at the end of the last war, but rather in the much more decentralized, disorderly and pragmatic process of inventing or adapting institutions of limited jurisdiction and selected membership to deal with specific problems on a case-by-case basis … In short, the ‘house of world order’ will have to be built from the bottom up rather than from the top down. It will look like a great ‘booming, buzzing confusion,’ to use William James’ famous description of reality, but an end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old-fashioned frontal assault.” — Richard N. Gardner, in Foreign Affairs (April 1974)

    Way to go, Ricky, you got some ‘splainin’ to do.

  7. KyleNYC Says:

    btw,

    Stan, *GREAT* biblical refutation of involvement in / with this present world.

    God’s word is great, isn’t it?

    “I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

    Ps 138:2

  8. stan Says:

    Thanks, Kyle. I taught the PDL seminar in our church about 5 or 6 years ago. Nearly every church in the area had signs advertising the seminar.

    I must thank the Lord for bringing me to understand things the way they are in recent years. He woke me up to the deception I had been ignorant of for so long. It was a sobering, yet liberating awakening.

  9. trayjay Says:

    You go, Stan! That was an excellent write-up. Thanks, I.C. for the post. I just pray that people wake up.

  10. SteelGator Says:

    Stan did a such a great job, all I can say it Ditto!

  11. IndependentConservative Says:

    Yea it seems this one may only have 1 😀 .

    It is more than sufficient.

    Stan hit every point I hoped would be noted and then some.

    I’ve pointed out issues with Warren’s plan in posts at:
    Rick Warren Asks the Money Changers to Partner With The Church. This Could Be Worse Than Faith Based Funding.
    and
    What’s the Matter With Rick Warren? A Lot!
    (In that 2nd write-up I should have noted that it was needy SAINTS that Christ was speaking of. I’ll add it as a comment.)

  12. Gxg--G2 Says:

    Ditto on your thoughts, Brother Stan. Marvelous review….

  13. stan Says:

    Thanks to everyone for their kind and supportive words; but, really, the Lord moved me out of the mess I was in by 2005 by waking me to the pervasive influence of false teachers in our church. I had had great, growing distress in my spirit for over 15 years at my AoG church. I could not put my finger on any one issue as its cause. It had gotten so bad by the last few years there, that I dreaded going to Sunday services. I was so agitated by the time they were over, I wanted to jump out of my skin.

    It wasn’t always like that. In the early 80s, it was a pleasure to go to church. I believe the trouble can be traced to the introduction of, then the eager promotion of, Spiritual Warfare theories starting in the mid to late 80s. These theories and techniques seemed a plausible way of getting difficulties solved. Just rebuke the interfering spirits and the problems would clear up. We were doing our part to facilitate the answers that came from God. After all, if Gabriel got held up for 3 weeks coming to Daniel, answers coming to people now could have the same difficulty getting to them. Through Spiritual Warfare, we could now provide what Daniel did not know. We could cancel the assignments of these interfering spirits and facilitate the answer that was sent from the day the prayer was made. There were other clever theories to back up such thinking: The Old Testament wars of Israel served as types of how to defeat our New Testament enemies we wrestled with. Wielding our swords of the Spirit coupled with binding and loosing and praise and worship were some of the weapons that shattered fortresses and released their captives.

    Yet, all those promises of deliverance were shattered consistently by the realities of what was really happening, and no one admitted that the “emperor had no clothes at all.”

    No one, including myself as a teacher there, understood the connection between this gross error and the troubles that began to beset many in our fellowship. The women were the most affected. At the time, I noticed a sizable number of women who were experiencing perplexing and chronic maladies, including depression, eating disorders, nightmares, suicidal thoughts; auditory, olfactory and visual hallucinations; physical ailments that resisted medical diagnosis; but which ended up being called Chronic Fatigue Syndrome or Epstein Barr (even though blood titer tests were often inconclusive on this point). A health food craze hit us, again, promoted by Christian authors. Supplements and diets were employed to stave off the afflictions. One poor woman related having a blackout while driving at night and found herself coming out of it in a local department store she had no intention to be in. She was totally baffled and alarmed but could not explain what had happened to her. Marital problems/divorce were another issue in this group.

    I’m not making this up. I wish I was, but this is what was going on back then. Statistically, there are always troubles in any group of the size we were (about a 150); but this phenomenon seemed to me to be too spiked. And, for a group claiming gifts of the Spirit and effective warfare techniques it seemed all the worse. Supposedly, we were on the cutting edge of using these discoveries of victorious Christian living that the poor, dead churches around us were so behind on.

    The diagnosis was that these were attacks from Satan due to our successful incursions into his kingdom. We were stealing from the great thief. We were plundering his spoils. And, he was fighting back. The cure was to redouble the efforts. Let Satan know we weren’t licked by him. He was a growling lion with no teeth. We could do all things through Christ who strengthens us. He teacheth our hands to war. There is power, power, power in the blood, in the blood of the Lamb. Let God arise and His enemies be scattered. Yet, the efforts remained ineffective. A lot of them have left the church or the area by now, and I don’t know how they’re doing.

    They were developing even stranger methods of warfare. Sometimes, they would draw circles on the floor and get inside, claiming the were safe from Satan inside of it. Or, they would sit in circles, chanting in tongues, rocking back and forth for hours. They would prophesy and see visions and make declarations of deliverance for whichever person or difficulty they were praying for. They would pantomime violent gestures mimicking slashing with swords or chopping with their hands or shouting in English or in tongues with grim determination at invisible entities. They would go through events that mimicked birth, straining and grunting until there was a release and a peaceful feeling that came over you. This was called “birthing” or “travailing” to “see Christ formed in others.” I remember doing that once too back then.

    The occult nature of these methods done “in the name of Jesus” with imagined biblical backing appealed to many of them, for they had practiced witchcraft prior to being saved. But, now, they had become entangled again in these olds ways that were “sanctified” for them through the error coming in through the celebrity ministers and authors of those days.

    It was common for the pastor or some leader who was leading prayer for the service to publicly rebuke Satan from the building or from the people they were praying for. The sanctuary chairs were prayed over; Jericho marches were employed to counter the work of local covens who we were convinced were sending curses against us from their meetings. After all, we were such a threat. We took their efforts especially seriously. Little did any of us, from the pastor to the congregation, realize that what we were accepting and teaching were things which would evoke rather grievous judgments from God. We were tampering with the spirits He had placed over sinful mankind or sends to judge our ways. He had set them up and we, in our hubris, were “pulling them down.” Oh, what deception, what spiritual nakedness this all was. No wonder there was such confusion and affliction among so many of us.

    I see that this has gotten way off topic and a lot longer than I intended. It feels good to get it down in writing. I wanted to mention Toronto and its effect on our group and the strange, mystical rock and repetitive mantra-style music that was introduced on Sunday mornings, and the banners and anointed dancing and the Healing Rooms ministry started at the church, based on the gnostic/mystic John G. Lake; but I’ll just close with this: I was finally brought out of all that. In retrospect and with clear, wakeful eyes, I could see what had happened. Now, I wish to keep myself alert, by God’s grace and warn anyone I come across to flee these lying vanities and “keep in memory” the Gospel of the Apostles, by which we are saved.

  14. IndependentConservative Says:

    Wow Stan, that is a real testimony brother!

    Supposedly, we were on the cutting edge of using these discoveries of victorious Christian living that the poor, dead churches around us were so behind on.

    You know, I noticed that about false teachers. In their eyes, their “church” assembly is “the one” getting the big time “revelation” and others are supposedly dead. It gets you thinking you should never leave, because outside of that camp is supposedly nothing good. That’s a terrible way to think of fellow saints in Christ when I look back on how they had us thinking.

    It does sound like some really nasty stuff regarding some of the things you folks were getting into. That “circle of protection” stuff is straight up Wiccan. My eyes were bulging at the screen when I saw you were at a place where that was accepted activity. Praise God in our Lord Jesus He got you OUT of that.

    That place was without a doubt a case of 2 Corinthians 11:13-15 leading saints towards the pit.

    Thank God we started reading our Bibles free of delusion! Who knew the evil “strongholds” were in some cases right were we were sitting when under that false teaching. Only the Lord Jesus helped us see clearly in finding Him in truth by God’s grace, because we certainly were not seeing clearly on our own.

  15. stan Says:

    I do thank God. The “circles” and other related practices were being done at home meetings of women who went to the church, not at the building. But, their activity wasn’t really secret either.

    Disparate doctrines and practices were tolerated at the church for the sake of peace and unity. This was the pastor’s primary policy. When he took over the small church back in 1979, it grew from about 20 people to about 150 in just a few years. His ingratiating and easy-going manner, his excellent organizational skills, plus his easy-to-understand sermons attracted a wide variety of charismatics and some fundamentalists. The largest percentage was ex-Roman Catholics. This demographic oddity kept him from being seriously challenged for anything he did or allowed because Catholics, especially, treated him with the same reverence as they did a priest. He was next to God. People who disagreed simply left.

    Not too many people were saved directly through the ministry; we were mostly absorbing curious or dis-enfranchised people from other local churches. The local Catholic charismatic churches were losing their people to us. So, in order to keep them coming, keeping them at peace was the main philosophy.

    A disturbing reality was that unstable “squeaky wheels” were often, but not always, granted platforms instead of being disciplined or silenced. This led easily to the excesses of aberrant practices that became so commonplace.

    The pastor relied heavily on best-selling authors to disciple him. He was a voracious consumer of books on prayer and leadership and other hot “pastoral” topics. His autonomy left him as a child who was blown about by many winds of doctrine, little realizing that the trickery of men lying in wait to deceive was behind their fame.

    I am not excluding myself from this, though. I too was influenced for a long time by authors like Hagin and Judson Cornwall, Malcolm Smith, Derek Prince and others. But, my dedication to them was more casual. My bible reading and study was actually making me agitated with these man-made philosophies; but its effect took a long time to bring me to my senses. One of the things that had to be eroded in me was being more loyal to men than to God. My sense of duty to the church kept me from taking the stand I knew was coming. When my pastor asked to stop naming names in my public ministry, it was my moment of decision. He was adamant. With that request, I had been placed between God and man. I left without incident or fanfare. My 25 years of dedicated service there was over. Along with service, I spent well over a hundred thousand dollars there in tithes and gifts. I don’t so much regret its loss. I take it like paying tuition in the school of spiritual hard knocks. I may as well take the education I “paid for” and not repeat such foolish mistakes ever again. Just let me do my work. No titles, no money, no numbers, no programs, no building projects to supervise.

    Once out, I could see things clearly. I began a zealous and happy campaign of cleaning out all the leaven of strange doctrines. Those 25 years now seem like a fading dream. I guess that’s how awakened people see their past.

  16. SteelGator Says:

    Congrats Stan on getting out of there and Praise the Lord he opened the eyes of your heart.

  17. godlysoldier Says:

    He whom the SON sets free is FREE INDEED!

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