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February 3, 2008

Super Tuesday Coming to Tennessee, I’ll Pass!

by @ 11:54 pm. Filed under Nuts on Parade

So let’s see, Super Tuesday is coming and who will be on the Primary ballots?

For the Democrats:

For the Republicans:

So after a full review of all the candidates running in the 2 major parties, I’ll pass! The candidates for Super Tuesday all look Super Lame to me and I won’t cast a vote for any of them. I refuse to get out of my chair to punch a ballot for any of those options. In fact, if someone brought a ballot to my doorstep I’d refuse to even get out of my chair to open the door. I REFUSE to exert a speck of energy in endorsing any of them.



38 Responses to “Super Tuesday Coming to Tennessee, I’ll Pass!”

  1. DL Foster Says:

    Lord have mercy, IC. This one had me in stitches.

    These are exactly my answers! What a motley lot to choose from. Id rather go cut my toenails.

    LOLOL. Good one.

  2. Julie Says:

    Well, I am not entirely happy with any of the candidates either, but I will not miss my opportunity to have my voice heard. I will be going to the high school cafeteria tomorrow night at 6:30 and casting my vote for Ron Paul.

    The size of government and the amount of influence the government has over its citizens has increased. No matter who is elected president I believe it will continue to increase, but I hope that this “progress” can be slowed by electing a president who understands that the government is encroaching on my freedoms and will make a stand to stall that encroachment. Ron Paul seems to be the only candidate that understands the constitutional role of the federal government. A limited government will allow me to continue to have the freedom to educate my daughter at home without government oversight so that I can teach her that she is the crowning glory of God’s creation and not an evolutionary accident. A limited government will allow me to teach my children that God, not man, defines what is right and wrong, what is spiritual and what is ordinary, what elevates a man and what lowers him or her. And, I can do this without being concerned that me (or my spiritual leader) will be charged with a hate crime.

    Finally, Ron Paul seems to be the only candidate that understands that government programs cost money. The average American works 4 months out of the year to pay taxes or about 3 hours a day.

    “Until we can reestablish a condition under which the earnings of the people can be kept by the people, we are bound to suffer a very severe and distinct curtailment of our liberty.” President Coolidge

  3. IndependentConservative Says:

    Given his views, I doubt you’d allow the man you’re endorsing to teach your child.

    Now We Know Why White Supremacists Support Ron Paul. They Must Read His Newsletters!

    Ron Paul, Bringing the Wrong Kinds of People Together in His Name.

  4. ElCee Says:

    I have no idea what I’m going to do. Both now and in November, I’m afraid I may have to hold my nose and vote for the “least” evil of the field. I’m in a state where I can vote for either dem or GOP at the primary. At this point I’m inclined to vote Obama because I don’t want Billary to have ANY chance of being president!

  5. IndependentConservative Says:

    If Obama is as bad or worse than Hillary, does it matter if either gets in? Voting record wise they almost mirror each other. With Obama voting slightly further to the Left than Hillary Clinton. And then there is the issue of Obama often missing votes, so his view on many things is well concealed.
    Obama making less than a quarter of Senate votes

    Sen. Barack Obama has missed the most votes of any Democratic presidential hopeful in the Senate over the last two months, including a vote on an Iran resolution he has blasted Sen. Hillary Clinton for supporting.

    In November I’ll be voting, just not for any of those listed above. If Hillary wins, may the Lord’s will be done.

    I live in a state where I can vote in any major party primary, however skipping a primary does not mean anything to me.

  6. SteelGator Says:

    Look. You have a right to vote or not vote. However, a few things to ponder as we go into November. It looks like McCain is going to win the Repub nomination and Hillbilly or Obama Hussein will win the Dem nomination. Even though I don’t really like any of them I will vote for McCain for the following reasons.

    1. He will defend the U.S against the Islamofacists that want to kill us and wipe Israel off the map.

    2. He is pro-life and has a 100% voting record on life issues.

    3. He will put strict constructionists on the Supreme Court. It looks like 3 justices are going to retire. So, McCain will be able to nominate conservative justices that will protect our rights and not legislate from the bench. The Supreme Court is just 1 vote shy of overturning “Roe v Wade”. If Hillary or Obama get in there, they will ensure abortion on demand and partial birth abortion continue to be legal for the next 30 years.

    That is enough reason for a Christian to vote for McCain over the Democrats.

  7. ElCee Says:

    I’m assuming Obama can’t win – especially if he’s running against McCain.

    And honestly, as shallow as it is, I’d just like to see Hillary go away. I don’t know if I can stand hearing that braying for the next nine months.

  8. SteelGator Says:

    ElCee: I agree with you. When I hear her voice on the television or radio, it is like finger nails on a chalkboard.

  9. IndependentConservative Says:

    1. He will defend the U.S against the Islamofacists that want to kill us and wipe Israel off the map.

    2. He is pro-life and has a 100% voting record on life issues.

    3. He will put strict constructionists on the Supreme Court.

    On point 1, you mean Mr. NOT SO STRAIGHT TALK, who can’t decide where he stood or currently stands on the action in Iraq? Oh yea, he gives a real sense of “security”, just depends on which way the WIND IS BLOWING 🙄 .

    On point 2, John McCain has NEVER received a 100% pro-life rating from any group that monitors such votes. McCain did not even show up for a recent pro-life vote.

    On point 3, Mr. GANG OF 14 THAT STABBED THE CONSERVATIVES IN CONGRESS IN THE BACK, Mr. stab us in the back at the border, Mr. No stance against homosexuals and doing as they would desire, Mr. Unconstitutional Campaign Finance Reform. He’s going to put strict constructionists on the bench of the highest court in the land? Get real!

  10. Gxg--G2 Says:

    Well, regardless of whether or not someone gets elected, God’s in control:

    I used to be under the impression that what always affected things POLICITALLY was my vote/the cannidate that I chose.

    If I didn’t find a cannidate who perfectly held to what my values were, then it often felt like I was being ineffective…..and if a cannidate came up who supported things I hated (abortion, homosexuality, etc), then I just had to deal with it. This has been something that has greatly troubled me with our cannidates.

    Mitt Rommey’s a Mormon who has been guilty of supporting the same things he says he’s against when he used to be governor (abortion, etc), Gullianni is pro-abortion/gay rights,…the same with Obama (who’s for abortion, and attends a church that supports Farakan)……and though Mike Huckabee seems to be the only solid one who I’d vote for, he’’s both supporting & recieving his support from Copeland and Hagee, who are guilty of spreading MANY False teachings damaging to the faith.

    Either way you slice it, you cannot help but feel that by voting for any of them you’re helping to spread some sort of wrong.

    However, what I’ve often failed to remember is that GOD IS IN CONTROL.

    From a different perspective, it’d be fair to say that voting for our convictions may not necessarily be the thing to focus on….

    Just as God moved in the heart of Cyrus, so that his decree fulfilled the prophecies of Jeremiah (Jeremiah 25:8-12; Jeremiah 27:21-22; Jeremiah 29:10-14 )and Isaiah, with Cyrus being God’s servant (Isaiah 44:28-45:9 ), as well as Nebuchadnezzar (Jeremiah 25:9),….or even with Joseph in Egypt/having the support of unbelieving pharoah, so I believe the same’s possible today.

    It’s not wrong to vote….and nothing wrong with wishing to vote 4 men holding to our convictions or who’ll stand up for JUSTICE. That’s Biblical….

    http://www.gotquestions.org/Christians-vote.html

    http://www.frontline.org.za/articles/should_christians.htm

    http://www.frontline.org.za/articles/civil_disobedience_bible.htm

    http://www.frontline.org.za/articles/if_my_people.htm

    http://www.frontline.org.za/articles/biblical_principles.htm

    Nonetheless, the fact remains that ULTIMATELY God places men into power (despite how many of them were unbelievers, held stances he hated, and yet were used by Him for His Purposes—-whether it be DISPENCING GRACE OR WRATH), ….

    http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=256
    http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=4040

    http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=125
    http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=819
    http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=256
    http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=2
    http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=113030

    And in the case that a bad man gets elected and perhaps accelerates the sins WE’VE CHOSEN to the point of destruction, wouldn’t be surprised. As Brother Lionel said, Do you think a nation who gives God the middle finger as a whole can expect anything other than his wrath?

    “For the nation or kingdom that will not serve You will perish, it will be utterly ruined”. Isaiah 60:12

    “Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord …” Psalm 33:12

    Moreover, Something that God’s reminded me of:

    1 Timothy 2

    Instructions on Worship

    1I urge, then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone— 2for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. 3This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6who gave himself as a ransom for all men—the testimony given in its proper time. 7And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle—I am telling the truth, I am not lying—and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles.

    8I want men everywhere to lift up holy hands in prayer, without anger or disputing.

    God is all-powerful and all-knowing. That’s what it means to be Sovereign….

    However, as Sovereign as the Lord is, in my understanding He has chosen to let us help Him change the World through OUR PRAYERS.

    How this works is a mystery to us due to our limited understanding……but it is a reality. Whoever comes into authority, we’ve been called to pray so that their societies will be conducive to the spread of the Gospel. It’s pretty interesting to note that Paul’s command to pray for kings is remarkable considering that Nero, a notorisously cruel ruler, was emperor at the time (A.D. 54-68)….and when Paul wrote this letter, persecution was a GROWING THREAT TO BELIEVERS….

    Honestly, how seriously do we take many of the examples of PRAYER and the many things it changes/affects?

    It changes attitudes/events—Exodus 32:9-14

    It’s a sin to fail in praying for others–I Samuel 12:23

    It’s saved nations and can change events—II Kings 19:1-7, II Chronicles 7:13-17, Daniel 2:16-18, Isaiah 38:1-43

    We’re encouraged to be PERSISTENT in it and have been promised that we can ask the Lord for anything—-Matthew 7:7-12, Matthew 21:22, Mark 10:42-45

    Should precede important decisions—Luke 6:12, James 5:16-18

    Important to Evangelism—-Luke 10:2

    It’s even something that God says if we’re persistent in it, HE’LL GRANT US JUSTICE WHICH WE CRY OUT FOR (Luke 18:1-10)

    There are numerous other examples than these, but they are thing to think about. I wonder how often the focus in politics in on “Who has my convitions and will most likely change things?” distrats from the other things God says are powerful.

  11. SteelGator Says:

    IC: I am not a big McCain fan. In fact, I actually supported Fred Thompson. I have only met McCain once back in 1995 at a fund raiser for former Senator Phil Graham (TX). I got a chance to speak with McCain for over a half an hour. He seemed like a pretty likeable guy. Since then he has turned into a big ego politician. I am just comparing McCain to his Democratic counterparts.

    1. I got an email last week from my friend’s PAC (my former college roommate is a lobbyist for them). He said McCain got a 100% pro life rating from some pro life organization. I can’t find the email but when I do, I will share it with you. Anyway, McCain is much better than Obama and Hillary on pro life issues. He has a 0% rating from NARAL and Planned Parenthood. Unlike Obama and Hillary that have 100% ratings from the pro abortion groups.

    2. As for amnesty, McCain was wrong, and he said he knows he was wrong. He now says he heard the American people and they don’t want amnesty for illegals. At least McCain is listening unlike Hillary or Obama in which you will get AMNESTY, period.

    3. As for fighting the Islamofacists, McCain will continue to go after them over there to ensure we don’t have to fight them here. Obama and Hillary have admitted they will retreat and surrender. Remember the last time in U.S. history we tried to ignore a threat from fanatics? Well the West got the message when Hitler started bombing London.

    I am not saying McCain will be a great president. The last great one was Reagan and we probably will never see a Reagan again. McCain however will be better than 4-8 years of Obama and/or Hillary. If you want to ensure that Hillary / Obama wins go ahead and vote for a third party candidate (usually one without a voting record to scrutinize so you just believe them because of what they promise). If you want the “fairness doctrine”, socialized medicine, higher taxes, more spending (at least more than McCain or a Republican would authorize), retreat from the Islamofacists, less privacy, more government reaction and action against Christians and Christian organizations, 30 more years of abortion on demand in which millions of children are slaughtered annually, tightening up of gun laws prohibiting law abiding citizens from owning guns while the police and criminals have access to them, (I could go on and on), go ahead and vote for a third party candidate.

    I, in good conscience, can not just sit back and allow our country to be taken over by some radical, leftwinged socialists (Hillary and Obama at el).

  12. Gxg--G2 Says:

    By the way,

    Hate to break it to ya, Bro IC, but your boy Duncan Hunter may serve as a bit of a hurtful issue to you, as he decided to back Mike Huckabee:

    http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/01/23/602490.aspx

    http://jameshartlinereport.blogspot.com/2008/01/hunter-endorses-huckabee-for-president.html

  13. IndependentConservative Says:

    I can’t find the email but when I do, I will share it with you.

    Save your energy, please don’t look for it. Trust me, I would not vote for him anyway and he’s got a much longer list of mess than I care to detail.

    As I’ve already noted, he didn’t even show up for one vote, so whatever some group said does not matter at this point.

    On amnesty, just like everything else, McCain says whatever the wind blows into his mouth at that given moment. McCain will give you amnesty JUST LIKE BUSH WAS WORKING TOWARDS.

    I think the real issue here is that you trust them. I don’t. Especially when they’ve already stabbed us in the back. I don’t go handing them the knife a 2nd time hoping they learned a lesson. At least with the Democrats they are slightly more up front with some of their Liberal leanings.

    McCain did not even like waterboarding, which I was 100% OK with. He’s not tough on terrorism!

    If a Democrat wins and it makes you feel better, you can blame me, who did not vote for the Democrat. In fact, blame people who did not vote too. Blame everybody but the lames that call themselves “conservatives”. I have the Lord and I REALLY do trust Him. So I don’t fear whoever wins an election, because this is not home for me. God gives whoever wins that power and it will fulfill His plan.

  14. IndependentConservative Says:

    Hey, you were starting to like Hunter once upon a time too, remember 😉 .

    Tancredo was my #2, but he backed Romney. Everything left stinks. Nobody they endorsed would have been good. I guess Hunter just waited for probably somebody to call him and tell him they’d give him a post for his endorsement.

    (Some day those now 2 books you’ve written will show up in the comments 🙂 .)

  15. Gxg--G2 Says:

    “Starting” is the key word in that sentence. I was also debating many issues as well (and even said that at the moment I was going to go for him)

    Things change…..and That’s the benefit of being in a “REFORMING MENTALITY”……you’re constantly learning/growing..

    By the way, stop roasting on the “Books” Brah (lol, lol).

  16. SteelGator Says:

    IC: I guess we can agree to disagree. I don’t trust McCain just like I don’t trust any politician. I just believe he is the best of all remaining options we have. I too like Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo. Just so we can be clear (or to stir the pot) Duncan Hunter is a Catholic. Can we put him in the same category as Romney? Both are in a cult and are not born again. I don’t believe McCain is born again, and we know Huckabee (if he is born again) is selling out for money from the prosperity pimps. We can agree on two things. 1. McCain makes Bob Dole look like a conservative. 2. God is in control.
    I just think voting third party is not the best option, especially, against the evil Hilldabeast. Politics is a give and take, and McCain (if he knows he needs the conservative Christians to vote for him) will most likely reward us with another Scalia, Thomas, Roberts and/or Alito. Just doing that would be enough reason to vote for him over Hilldabeast or Barak Hussein.

    On a side note, I know why we disagree. You must be a Vol and I am an alumnus of the University of Florida.

  17. Gxg--G2 Says:

    Thanks, Steel Gator, for bringing up those points….especially on the issue of Duncan Hunter being Catholic. Never even caught the part about Hunter being Catholic, which does add a whole different spin on things (Bro IC, did you honestly know about this before endorsing the man?), though I’d think it’d be prudent to clarify whether or not Hunter is in a movement as a member or as a ardent follower of it. Some people, in all honesty, really don’t understand even what the errors are in their movement despite how in their hearts they’re earnestly seeking the Lord….and OTHERS may be involved for a season and move on, as it was for me and my mother when we used to be involved in Creflo Dollar’s church….and for some, they may be highly skeptical on whether or not their organization is flawed/but sincerly desire the Lord. To that, there’s Mercy…..as some have been promised to doubt (Jude 1:20-22)

    However, if defending it wholeheartidly and being unconcerned, that may be a different issue altogether….

    God more than sees that/knows who are His, as He did with Cornelius in Acts 10 and in time gave the man the knowledge of Christ when the knowledge the man had which was accurate Cornelius followed and God made his knowledge COMPLETE….. & nowadays I’m very careful as to whether or not I pronouce judgement on someone involved in a churches that teach heresy and say they’re lost….for as I’ve come to learn,. This is no more true than saying that all who are members of churches which teach orthodoxy are saved.

  18. IndependentConservative Says:

    Duncan Hunter is a Catholic.

    Please tell me who gave you that piece if misinformation? Duncan Hunter is a member of a Southern Baptist church assembly.

    HUNTER, SOUTHERN BAPTIST, WITHDRAWS — U.S. Rep. Duncan Hunter, a Southern Baptist, dropped out of the race for the Republican nomination Jan. 19 after receiving only 2 percent of the vote in Nevada, a state he had hoped to do well in with his focus on national security and securing the border with Mexico, the Associated Press reported. Nevada borders his home state of California.

    “I don’t regret a minute of it — I’ll tell you what, it was a lot of fun,” he was quoted as saying, adding that he believed his presence led other candidates to focus more on issues he felt important.

    One thing that makes me an “Independent” Conservative is that I have no problem voting for “Independents” 🙂 .

    Now if McCain who you don’t think is Christian wins and places another “Scalia, Thomas, Roberts and/or Alito” on the highest court in the land, that would be one or up to 3 more Roman Catholics on the highest court in the land. Now have you ever mulled that thought over at all? The High Court of Rome is what we might end up with, if you look at it from a theological perspective.

    I am not a Vol, not at all. Between the 2, I prefer the gators, but I’m not big on college football, I prefer the pros. Pats loss, all is well 🙂 .

  19. IndependentConservative Says:

    SteelGator appears to have been misinformed about Duncan Hunter.

    When we speak about anyone, we speak of the fruit they bear. We don’t know who the elect are and respect that the Lord knows. I still have no problem saying Mitt Romney is a cult member and has always given every indication that he does not know Christ in truth. If he did know Christ in truth, he’d be the fastest man running AWAY from LDS, not looking for their support.

  20. Gxg--G2 Says:

    Actually, cancel what I just said. I researched the issue first, and it is true that Hunter is Baptist.

    http://www.catholic.org/politics/bio.php?candidate=9

    However, on one of the points I raised, I wonder still if it’s a case closed. When it comes to defining what is or is not Herectical, I believe we all agree that what matters is whether or not it lines up with the Bible. For more info, go here:

    http://www.apologeticsindex.org/d01a.html

    However, God’s Word also says that merely hearing the Word of God but not seeking to live consistently with what you’ve read (i.e. merely having intellectual assent to it or a set of Christian teachings) is wrong…and from a different angle, acting as if saying all the right things but not doing them can also be considered a false doctrine.

    James 1:22-27

    22Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says. 23Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what it says is like a man who looks at his face in a mirror 24and, after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like. 25But the man who looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues to do this, not forgetting what he has heard, but doing it—he will be blessed in what he does.

    That said, if this is what characterizes Hunter’s life (as well as the organization he’s involved with), then would that be an issue as well?

  21. SteelGator Says:

    IC and Gxg-G2:
    Sorry, I got Tancredo and Hunter mixed up. Tancredo used to be Catholic but now he says he attends an Evangelical Presbyterian Church. Cool…I hope Tancredo got saved that is why he got out of the Catholic cult.

    IC: On to your point about more Catholics on the Supreme Court. I would rather have an evangelical, but if the best we can get is a conservative strict constructionist Catholic like Scalia and Roberts, I will take it. God can work his plan through non believers even McCain and the four conservative Catholics on the Supreme Court. If the Supreme Court became ALL Catholic I would not care as long as the justices were strict constructionists, federalists, and interpreted the law to protect our freedoms. Those 4 Catholics (sounds to me like you don’t like the fact they are Catholics) are better than so called Evangelicals and/or Protestants (save Rehnquist) that we have had on the court within the last 50 years.

  22. IndependentConservative Says:

    SteelGator, you brought Roman Catholicism into this. So I asked you given your own assertion.

    You see I consider someone’s beliefs in the Chief Executive branch, so OF COURSE I consider it in the Chief Judicial branch and Legislative branch too. I’ve said before a while back in a comment, it’s not that I would “never” vote for someone who is not a Christian, but I do consider these things. Because as much as someone whispers that “strict constructionist” talk into our ears, they ALL are influenced by WHO THEY ARE and that includes if they are part of a cult.

    I mean, if I lived in IL, it’s very possible I would have voted for Alan Keyes (Catholic) to be Senator instead of Obama. But I take each vote on its particulars and Super Tuesday has nothing, zero, zip, nada for me. (Keyes like Jesse Jackson runs only in races he knows he’ll lose. And being from MD I’ve seen him do that most of my life.)

  23. Gxg--G2 Says:

    Actually, I like Alan Keyes….and likewise, if he’s available, I’ll vote for him

  24. IndependentConservative Says:

    I didn’t say I’d “always” vote for Keyes, just in that particular case it’s likely I would have 🙂 .

    A really good video related to all of this that everyone should watch if you have not seen it:
    Mitt Romney and Mormonism. A Message From Our Brothers in Utah.
    Life for them is much different than for the rest of us at EVERY election.

  25. SteelGator Says:

    IC: I agree someone whispering “strict constructionist” does not pass the smell test. However, Bush did promise to nominate “strict constructionists” to the Supreme court (except for the Harriet Meyers debacle) he lived up to his promise.

    Also, I don’t think McCain is just whispering “strict constructionist” in order to get elected. He has a track record of voting for strict constructionists when they are nominated. He voted to confirm Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito and John Roberts. We can bash him all we want (and we should) on his poor stances and voting record (i.e. amnesty, campaign finance reform and some other issues). To be fair, we must continue to admit when he does some things right (i.e. voting to confirm strict constructionists to the Supreme Court).

    It is sad when the Supreme Court seems to have Supreme rule over our country. This will not change until the judiciary is changed and positions filled with pro life, strict constructionists. This won’t happen with Hilldabeast or Barak Hussein. Based on his track record, I think it will continue in the right direction under McCain. If you ever want the Supreme Court to be filled with “strict constructionists”, if you want “Roe v Wade” overturned, if you want federalism and states rights, now is the time to get our wishes met. However, we must have McCain elected over the Democrats. Otherwise, this will happen.

    P.S. I too like Alan Keyes. Is he on your primary ballot in your state? You could always just vote for him in the primary. You can write him in as well. I am not trying to convince you to vote for McCain nor Romney in the primary. This is what the primary is for….vote for the candidate that best would represent you.

  26. IndependentConservative Says:

    You forget the Gang of 14 John McCain established and how they are the reason that although she was short on votes, names such as Janice Rogers Brown were never mentioned again.

    John McCain helped KILL efforts to get more real good judges rising up the ranks.

    So to be FAIR, I certainly won’t vote for him.

    The primary is for certain parties to select their candidates. I could care less about party.

  27. SteelGator Says:

    I did forget about him being part of the gang of 14. Janice Rogers Brown would be a great Supreme Court Justice. Shame on Johnny McCain on that one.

    To be FAIR, you must admit that he did vote to confirm Thomas, Alito, Roberts and a number of strict constructionist federal justices.

    To be FAIR, you must admit that McCain would be better at putting the folks we need on the Supreme Court compared to what Hilldabeast or Obama would do.

    I know I am not going to change your mind….I am just trying to have quality discourse. However, you should never vote for a Catholic because you would never vote for a cult member. Forget about voting for Alan Keyes….He is a good man and stands for much of what we value but he is a cult member. You should not have voted for GWB because he is not a born again Christian. You can’t really vote for anyone because you do not know if they are a real Christian or not. Don’t vote third party because most of those guys don’t have a track record, so we don’t know what they will do when they get power. We also don’t know if they are really a born again Christian. If they are a born again Christian, why would they want to be a leader of Caesar’s government? We can take this logic as far as we want and basically make the case that Christians really should not vote at all. Jesus never told us to vote. Jesus never told the disciples to get involved in Roman and/or Jewish politics. We are not of this world.

  28. IndependentConservative Says:

    To be FAIR, I don’t give back stabbers another knife.

    Honestly, I suspect McCain would put up people on par with a Democrat. He’d moan about them getting confirmation, just like he did with his gang of 14 stunt.

    A little video about John McLame, to refresh your memory more.

    Although I’m not one of them, there are many Christians who are totally against voting. I don’t hold it against them one bit. Once upon a time I’d harp about it, but Romans 14 helped me get over that.

  29. IndependentConservative Says:

    Do you actually read in full every link you put in these comments? I mean I’m just wondering.

    With calamities, don’t forget Luke 13 brother 😉 . What happens to these bodies is not what to ponder over, but the condition of the soul. As I often say, many a corrupt man lives what appears to be a long and healthy life on earth.

    I don’t think seeking a preferred kind of candidate distracts from our command to pray, but it’s always good for us to remind each other to pray. Matter a fact, with the slate of candidates at this point, we should already be praying.

    Paul asking saints to pray at a time when Nero was rising up shows that “love your enemy” focus.

    Regarding Luke 18, our justice comes from the Lord. Our true and final justice is in His return. We can pray about political matters understanding the Lord’s will be done, but really our focus has to be beyond this world. As Paul asked that we pray all come to knowledge of the truth. Pray for God to call as He desires to His Son. Even in praying for kings’ tranquility, we are to pray it be in “all godliness and dignity”. It is not a prayer for all godliness if we don’t pray they come to know His Son. We have to pray that they might be saved and if God desires He’ll grant them repentance, so they come to knowledge of the truth.

  30. Cop Says:

    I think I’ll write in NONE OF THE ABOVE.

  31. SteelGator Says:

    IC: Great points and banter. The more I think about it the harder it is to support McCain. I have just been trying to rationalize in my mind what I would have to do if and when it is McCain vs. Hilldabeat.

    Many ways McCain is McLame and I woke up today to find McLame is attacking guys like Rush rather than trying take their advise and courting their support.

    How has the Republican party gotten so far left is beyond me.

  32. Gxg--G2 Says:

    Do you actually read in full every link you put in these comments? I mean I’m just wondering.

    Yep……have to. Like I told you before, Brah,

    Proverbs 18:13
    He who answers before listening— that is his folly and his shame.

    Proverbs 18:15
    The heart of the discerning acquires knowledge; the ears of the wise seek it out.

    Proverbs 19:2
    It is not good to have zeal without knowledge, nor to be hasty and miss the way.

    General principals of wisdom I try dilligently to live by (i.e. getting all the facts before answering, being open to new ideas, and making sure one hears both sides of a story before judging).—-which of course is difficult work, but much better than the alternative of Prejudice (premature conclusions)

    That, and I not seem to have an unusual boundless energy for it…but it’s simply an extreme passsion of mine to research/make sure that in all things I give a fair hearing/see all perspectives since I’ve literally been in a myriad of camps (i.e. Charismatic verses Reformed–though I’m now Reformed Charismatic, Arminian vs Calvinist, pro-tithe verses anti-tithe, Continuist verses Cessationist, NBC verses UPN, lol lol lol) & learned from those who’ve done so as well

    Gots to get the truth out, Brah, and make sure I’m on point in accuracy/precision…..

    Proverbs 11:1
    The LORD abhors dishonest scales, but accurate weights are his delight.

    2 Timothy 2:15
    Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.

  33. IndependentConservative Says:

    Gxg–G2, you’ve said you are busy and tied up too much to comment in another thread, but have made several comments in this thread already. I’ve deleted your last comment that was in the moderation queue for this post.

    If you have work to do as you said you do. Don’t let this blog become a distraction. Go handle your school work.

  34. Gxg--G2 Says:

    Had a quick second (and I only made 2 that weren’t much of an battle to write out quickly). In any case, the Blog in the other thread was going to take significantly longer to write (hence, why I’m not up for writing it out all today/this week).Don’t worry about the blog being a distraction, though. School work’s coming along fine….

  35. Gxg--G2 Says:

    That’s serious, Brah 🙂 grins

  36. Gxg--G2 Says:

    More than able to multi-task if able, 🙂

    Later….

  37. SteelGator Says:

    (Edited by Independent Conservative: SteelGator, wholesale copy/pasting is not something I like to promote. If you find a good article, quoting a few of it’s points is one thing, but the whole article is another. Also it’s good to always post a link to the source. If you feel everyone should read the entire article, just post a link.)

  38. SteelGator Says:

    I usually do post a link but this was a blast email article sent to my private email because I am on their list. I can not find a link for it so I posted it.

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