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SteelGator, please put your comments in appropriate threads.

Please do not continue discussion about John McCain here.

No matter how many scare tactics his supporters dream up.

John McCain will do his part to deliver exactly what you don’t want anyway. Even Rick Santorum noted how McCain always works with Liberals.

http://www.cwfpac.com/pressReleaseArticle.php?id=08021401

I take more stock in somebody asking to borrow $500 from me and promising to pay me back, than a promise from Romney or McCain.

If I vote for someone who does not win, I have not allowed anything other than my vote to coincide with my views and not vote out of a spirit of FEAR.

John McCain DOES NOT have a 100% pro-life record and I note proof here.

The next President will have the opportunity to nominate 3 Supreme Court justices. Both McCain and Romney have promised pro-life / strict constructionist appointments. Thus, “Roe v Wade” could be overturned. If you allow (by voting for a Dem or Third Party)Hillary or Obama to move into the White House, abortion on demand will continue to be the law of the land for the next 30 years.

I just can’t stomach that.

P.S. McCain has a 100% pro life voting record.
Romney has flip flopped on this. However, he says he is now pro-life.

Neither McCain or Romney have a history that is truly and fully pro-life. So they both fail there JUST LIKE DEMOCRATS.

Romney worships a false god and McCain plays off faith for political advantage. McCain would probably call me a religious zealot that should have no influence at all. I can’t say either follows God in truth or HONESTLY cares to spend even 5 minutes in a room with someone like me.

I won’t be voting for any of the Democrats or Republicans, but don’t look at anyone who votes for them as unsaved.

Given I know God is in control, I can vote for a candidate outside of the 2 major parties or even skip that section on my ballot if I feel that is best. Each must act as the Lord leads.

Sorry if I made it seem like the voting Democrat statement was directed at you and it was not.

You made some great points. However, two things stick out in my mind when it comes to Christians voting Democrat.
1. Abortion. How can a born again Christian vote for a candidate (usually Democrat) that supports the slaughter of millions of children a year. In my opinion, once a candidate accepts the killing of innocent children, everything else they stand for is tainted with evil.
2. Anti-God. For decades the Democratic party (hi jacked by secular humanist, and communists back before FDR become President)has attempted to take God and Christ out of our society. Democrats have pushed for abortion, gay marriage, the break down of the family unit and indoctrination of our children to their godless socialist ideals.

Those are just two reasons why I can not see how any born again Christian could vote Democrat.

To your points about how some Christians legitimize voting Democrat, I understand that they have been brainwashed by the liberal media to believe that all Republicans are bad. Where in the Bible did Jesus instruct His disciples to “help the poor” but do it by tell the Roman government to tax the masses and using government social programs to help the poor? We are called to help those in need, but through the PRIVATE sector not through BIG government. Sadly, there are a ton of BIG government Republican Christians as well (i.e. Huckabee).

If you look at all the socio-economic systems in the world, you will see that our capitalistic, representative republic is the most effect way for individuals to make a better life for themselves and their children. Heck, the poor in the USA have more than the middle class in Europe. Don’t get me wrong, capitalism with the influence of greedy men can become corrupt and fail. Capitalism with the interference of the corrupt government is doomed to fail as well. This is why I am a proponent of “Christian Capitalism”. I am currently writing Christian financial book and one of my chapters addresses just this.

Sorry to get off track, but just look at the two issues at hand. No Christian should ever vote for Democrats for the two reasons listed above.

Please let me know your thoughts

Me? Vote Democrat? I regret my votes for Bill Clinton almost as much as my votes for Bush! Why do I say almost? Because I wasn’t a Christian when I voted for Clinton. When I voted for Bush, I was supposed to know better and do better. Follow that link and look at the comments below. See all the people on it who said that the Holy Spirit told them not to vote for Bush, including one guy who says that he disobeyed the Holy Spirit and voted for him anyway!

I am not buying that we have to vote against the Democrats, to choose the lesser of two evils. Even a God – hating Christian mocking atheist show like the Simpsons showed the immorality of that in their episode for the 1996 Presidential race where a pair of space aliens seeking to enslave humanity traded places with Clinton and Dole. When the plot was discovered, the aliens were like “So what, you are still going to have to vote for one of us!” So later when it showed humanity being enslaved by the aliens, Homer foolishly says “Don’t blame me, I voted for the other guy!”

Look, the anti – Christ (actually the beast) is going to take over the economic, military, religious, and political systems of the world. When that happens, do you honestly think that the political system, which is of this world and ruled by Satan as clearly stated by Jesus Christ in the gospel of John, is going to give you a choice between the anti – Christ’s puppet and a man of God? Of course Satan isn’t going to give you a choice. He is going to make sure that all the candidates are his puppets so that he wins no matter who the voters THINK that they are choosing. He is also going to make sure that the voters THINK that they are choosing good over evil. Just like you are saying “I don’t see how any born again person can vote for a Democrat”, you have women who believe that all Republicans are sexist. Blacks who believe that all Republicans are racist. You have a lot of sincere well – intentioned people who say that Republicans oppose the poor and the working class (including families). Others say that Republicans want to make everyone brainwashed and powerless so that we will consent to being perpetually ruled by an aristocratic and corporate elite whose wealth and influence passes down from generation to generation. Others claim that Republicans will destroy the environment. It goes on and on and on, and yes a great many of the people that feel this way are devout Christians.

There is no partially coming out of Babylon, we have to come all the way out so that we can see clearly. Look, the 6 years when we had a Republican President, Congress, and 7 of 9 appointees on the Supreme Court being Republican should realize this. What did the Republicans do? Tons of wickedness and immorality. We are supposed to settle for that just because we figure that they did less wickedness and morality on the issues that we care about than the Democrats would have done. Well excuse me, but the Democrats feel the same way! Democrats are extremely angry at all the giveaways to corporate America by Bush and Republicans, for instance. “Conservatives” don’t care about that not nearly so much. Why? Because we have been conditioned not to. Talk radio and the conservative columnists teach us to worship big business and corporate America and to hate government social welfare programs. So whenever there is a social welfare program abuse to the tune of a couple million dollars maybe, conservatives go nuts and act like the welfare mothers are sucking the treasury dry. But defense contractors have ripped us off for hundreds of billions, perhaps TRILLIONS, of dollars under the Reagan and Bush presidencies and no one bats an eye. Oil and auto companies have gotten HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS in subsidies and no one conservative cares (except the crazy Ron Paul supporters of which I used to be one).

What this anti – Christ system has done is convince us that one form of evil is somehow preferable to the other. And that is precisely the Babylon mindset that we have to come out of. I can tell you that no matter who wins out of Obama, Clinton, Huckabee, Romney, or McCain the anti – Christ will still get his President. All you can do in response is watch and pray and be sure not to vote for any of them.