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December 31, 2007

Joel Osteen on Mormonism. Wrong Answer Joel!

by @ 12:23 am. Filed under Nuts on Parade

A Little Leaven caught this video of Joel Osteen speaking about Mormonism and US Presidential candidate Mitt Romney. Let’s just say, if I had already gotten around to viewing this interview on my DVR, I would have uploaded this video to YouTube myself.

 

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26 Responses to “Joel Osteen on Mormonism. Wrong Answer Joel!”

  1. stan Says:

    This is “America’s Pastor” calling a Mormon’s Christ his own, eh? Will his congregation call him on it like they did after his infamous Larry King interview? Osteen just partook of Romney’s evil deeds according to the principle implicit in 2 John 11. He also ignored the statement in 2 Corinthians 6:15 by claiming a common bond with Romney. Well, little does Joel seem to understand the terrible irony of that claim. God help him repent unto the acknowledgement of the truth whereby he can come out of the devil’s snare, supposing he ever even knew the truth.

  2. truthintheselastdays Says:

    His congregation called him on it???

  3. stan Says:

    Yes, I distinctly remember hearing that he apologized to them for the lame answer he gave to Larry King concerning salvation when he appeared there some time back. (I believe it was about whether those who do not believe in Christ can go to heaven.) Afterward, members asked why he gave the answer he did. So, he apologized to them. I’m not sure how far back this goes, though. Maybe IC remembers more details.

  4. IndependentConservative Says:

    I know about Osteen’s remarks to Larry King, but know nothing of his assembly calling him on the carpet about it. He spewed that mess to the world with Larry King, he should correct it to the world via one of his broadcasts.

    Ostean says whatever keeps everyone happy.

    Honestly Stan, I thought you were kidding when you said Osteen’s assembly called him on his remarks to Larry King.

  5. stan Says:

    I found this on Google: Albert Mohler’s webpage:

    Joel Osteen Issues Apology

    Posted: Saturday, June 25, 2005 at 11:53 pm ET

    Joel Osteen has issued an apology for his disappointing June 20 appearance on CNN’s Larry King Live program. The apology is published on the Joel Osteen Ministries Web site.

    “It was never my desire or intention to leave any doubt as to what I believe and Whom I serve,” he stated. “I believe with all my heart that it is only through Christ that we have hope in eternal life. I regret and sincerely apologize that I was unclear on the very thing in which I have dedicated my life.”

    Further: “I believe that Jesus Christ alone is the only way to salvation. However, it wasn’t until I had the opportunity to review the transcript of the interview that I realize I had not clearly stated that having a personal relationship with Jesus is the only way to heaven. It’s about the individual’s choice to follow Him.”

    The statement reflected both humility and candor. “God has given me a platform to present the Gospel to a very diverse audience. In my desire not to alienate the people that Jesus came to save, I did not clearly communicate the convictions that I hold so precious,” he acknowledged. He also described the interview and its aftermath as “a learning experience” and expresssed his confidence that “God will ultimately use it for my good and His glory.”

    Mr. Osteen’s statement is encouraging on several fronts. First, it is encouraging to know that the constituency of Joel Osteen Ministries was so upset about the interview. Second, Mr. Osteen’s statement includes a clear and unambiguous affirmation of the exclusivity of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Third, the timeliness of the statement underlines the importance of the issues at stake. Fourth, Mr. Osteen’s apology is free from the evasions typical of the pseudo-apologies so often issued to the public. He did not say that “statements were made,” but instead acknowledged that he had failed to communicate Gospel truth. The humility and honesty of the statement serve to fortify its authenticity.

    http://www.albertmohler.com/blog_read.php?id=137

  6. stan Says:

    Albert Mohler is quite naive about Osteen. I wonder if he watched the interview posted at the top and still agrees that Osteen believes that June 2005 interview and aftermath was “a learning experience.”

  7. IndependentConservative Says:

    Stan, that is encouraging. I will not harp on his Larry King statements further. Although I’ve still got to watch all of his Fox News interview. It will be interesting how he responds when presented with the same question again, I don’t know if it was asked during the Fox News interview.

    Still, Osteen preaches another Gospel. He does not state what is in that apology on a regular basis, but continues to spew his other gospel often.

    It’s possible the apology was nothing more than a business strategy. Just the same, I won’t mention the Larry King comments again. Unless he flops when asked again.

  8. stan Says:

    There is an issue, though. No link I have ever found to the actual apology on the Osteen website exists anymore. Here is the message from his site: We’re sorry. The page you asked for could not be found.
    http://joelosteen.lakewood.cc/site/PageServer?pagename=page_not_found

  9. IndependentConservative Says:

    Yes, I noticed that. Also the link Albert Mohler had to Osteen’s “We Believe” statement gives the same response. But that was moved to this page.

    I searched Osteen’s site and can’t find the apology anywhere. The only mention of Larry King is a page that links to video of him and his wife being interviewed by King.

  10. stan Says:

    I always go to the bookstores of ministries on the web. They are more accurate barometers of the ministry’s doctrine than the statements of faith. For example, here is the caption for “The Power of Words” book on sale on Osteen’s page, written by Joel.

    our words have creative power. Your words can build up or tear down. Your words can bring victory or defeat. Your words affect your future. You can speak life and encouragement, or strife and division. When you speak God’s Word over your life, you set into motion the very thing you declare. What are your words producing in your life today? You can change the direction of your life by changing the words you speak! Develop a deeper understanding of The Power of Words and set yourself on a path to victory today!

    These are Gnostic strains from the WOF theology that Osteen adheres to and shamelessly promotes constantly in his sermons.
    http://bookstore.lakewood.cc/p-5463-the-power-of-words.aspx

    Stan

  11. stan Says:

    This is off topic, but germane for the New Year (BTW, May the Lord bless you and all His people this coming year with tranquility and quietness of life and may you all serve the Lord and be productive, attending to your own business. (1 Tim. 2:2; 1 Thess. 4:11)).

    Pat Robertson issued a dire prophecy back in Jan 4, 2007. I hope he makes a verbal retraction of it and promises to stop doing this. I post certain parts here. The link is at the bottom.

    Pat Robertson: “Well, the other thing I felt was that evil men; evil people, are going to try to do evil things to us and to others during the last part of this year. I don’t know whether it’ll be in the fall or September or later on, but it’ll be the second half, somehow, of 2007. There will be some very serious terrorist attacks. The evil people will come after this country.

    And there’s a possibility that–not a possibly–a definite certainty that chaos is going to rule, and the Lord said that the politicians will not have any solutions for it. There’s just going to be chaos. And, of course, we saw chaos in the Gulf after Katrina. The politicians had no answers.

    . . . It’s going to happen. And I’m not saying necessarily nuclear. The Lord didn’t say “nuclear,” but I do believe it’ll be something like that that’ll be a mass killing, possibly millions of people, and major cities injured. I hope I’m wrong, and I hope people will pray and that won’t happen. But nevertheless, that seems to be what’s coming up.

    And then the Lord said He will restrain the evil people, but He will not restrain them necessarily initially. And He doesn’t have to restrain people. They’re evil people, and they do evil things, and they desire evil.”

    From a CBN program transcript posted by special permission of CBN on the Elijah list: http://www.elijahlist.com/words/display_word/4878

  12. Praiser4Life Says:

    Stan I was actually watching the 700 club when he said this. I think it’s safe to say that it’s wishful thinking if we think that Pat will retract this. He will just claim that “the prayers of the righteous availeth much”, in other words the saints prayed the disasters away. He needs to lay off that rocky mountain brew when he goes to the mountains, maybe he will hear more clearly.

  13. stan Says:

    I agree that he will take that tack, saying it was prayed away. That assumes his pronouncements were in fact true, as Jonah’s was. For in Nineveh’s case, their imminent doom was believed, and they knew their humble entreaty worked by its overturn. But, in order for Robertson’s to be confirmed, here’s what would have had to happen: Sometime after September, the government would have announced that they had in fact discovered the plot. Then, after national prayer, it was answered by being foiled miraculously. God would have gotten the credit and Robertson’s prediction would be seen as true. This, of course, is a wildly hypothetical scenario.

    As it is, Robertson’s typical fear-mongering is again shown to be as plain as the nose on his face. Speaking of noses, too bad his name isn’t Pinocchio.

    I’m going to give him a few days to retract it, then I’m sending a letter to him calling him on this. I don’t expect either a response or him to stop these arrogant pronouncements which brand him a false prophet. I just want to be on record.

    Please excuse these Off Topic posts of mine.

  14. IndependentConservative Says:

    There is a post in the works about this. Stan, you’re giving it away 😆 .

    Hold up a little and we can continue this once I have the post out.

    Also, you can click the “reply this comment” link above, to reply within the responses to your comment. That way, sidebars like this are easier to identify and not be confused with responses to the post 😉 .

  15. Ann Says:

    Happy New Year IC. Joel did have on his website a link to an apology,when he 1st appeared on Larry King Live. I personal went to his web site and it was posted there. I don’t know when he had it removed but it was there at one time.

  16. IndependentConservative Says:

    Happy New Year to you all.

    May God continue us in the truth of His Son and guide us by His Spirit.

  17. stan Says:

    I will hold up, IC. I do realize that this page is about Osteen’s recent appearance and that I took the liberty of the New Year to post here what has been on my mind for a while now about this other matter.

  18. stan Says:

    On Osteen again. Osteen made his ambivalent statement to Larry King’s millions of viewers, many of whom are unsaved. His subsequent apology was made to his constituency; and to his website visitors. However, Osteen publicly clarified his position on salvation on another appearance on Larry King in 2006, saying that a personal relationship with Christ is the only way to heaven. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_Osteen#Criticism

  19. IndependentConservative Says:

    Stan, you might want to hunt around for the actual video of the 2006 interview Joel Osteen did with Larry King to decide from that actual video if you can find it. I think it’s likely on YouTube. I have not seen it, but don’t think you should rely solely on Wikipedia. I mean sometimes Wiki is on point, but I always cross check, to ensure a given article is accurate. If it’s on Wiki and has lots of supporting references (that I can verify) I’ll accept it given the support, but just going on Wiki is not necessarily a good thing. That section of Osteen’s article even says at the top of the section:

    This section does not cite any references or sources.

    The statement about the 2006 Larry King interview does not have any link that actually verifies that statement.

    See if you can check out the actual interview video.

  20. stan Says:

    I did think about that concerning Wiki when I posted it, but I believed it. I found this CNN transcript from King’s interview with Osteen on December 6, 2006.

    KING: We’re back. On this program you angered some evangelicals two years ago when you did not say that accepting Jesus is the only way to heaven. This is the birth of Jesus coming up Monday. You still believe that?

    J. OSTEEN: No. I believe that Jesus is the only way to heaven.

    KING: So you misspoke?

    J. OSTEEN: I thought that I said that. I said I believe in a personal relationship with Christ. You go back and pull things out of the transcript, it could look like that, but the foundation of the Christian faith is that Christ came as a sacrifice so that we can receive forgiveness.

    KING: So you don’t believe, you don’t go to heaven?

    J. OSTEEN: I believe it’s true what you’re saying, that you have to have a relationship with Christ. I mean, the “Scripture” is so clear. The most famous “Scripture” is God sent his son to, you know, forgive the world and if you believe in him, you will have everlasting life. And another place it talks about Jesus said, you can’t get to the father unless through me. So I do believe that. It’s the foundation of our faith.

    KING: So was that out of context two years ago …

    J. OSTEEN: I think that being young and …

    KING: Did I trick you?

    J. OSTEEN: No, I never felt like that whatsoever. I just think — and I was first to admit, if anybody took it like that, I’ll admit an oversight.
    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0612/22/lkl.01.html

    What bothers me is that Osteen waits until King brings it up, and that was over half way through the show. He should have started the interview with that clarification, at least.

    Secondly, he says he thought he said it right in the 2005 interview.

    Third, he says he was young.

    Fourth, he says “IF” anybody took it like that, I’ll admit an oversight.

    He is really dancing very uncomfortably with the fact that what he believes is exclusive and damning to those who do not believe.

    Next, here is a part of his apology he presented to his own people:

    It was never my desire or intention to leave any doubt as to what I believe and Whom I serve. I believe with all my heart that it is only through Christ that we have hope in eternal life. I regret and sincerely apologize that I was unclear on the very thing in which I have dedicated my life.

    http://www.mmiblog.com/monday_morning_insight_we/2005/06/joel_osteen_lar.html

    The character of his apology to his own is definite whereas to Larry King’s audience it is hesitant and uncomfortable, but it is clear he is forced to admit it. This means that he deliberately and carefully tailors his statements to whichever audience he is addressing at the moment, so as to create the impression he wants each audience to have instead of proclaiming the truth as it is to each man as Christ told us to. He is serving himself.

    Obviously, we must depend on the Lord to grant us the boldness and clarity to proclaim His gospel to all men equally. Many die for this every day and have died for it over the millennia. So, what is being modeled by this premier American pastor?

    This whole issue, and his two responses, leaves a bad taste in my mouth about him worse than what I already have.

    Stan

  21. IndependentConservative Says:

    If Wikipedia had not BANNED me after they believed a false accusation, that I was trying to copy someone’s account when I opened an account there and started trying to help some Messianic Jews prevent some of their pages from being deleted, I might update the reference about this on Wikipedia myself.

    (I was falsely accused of what they say is “sock puppetry”. All my appeals were ignored and they never checked IP addresses, to prove I was not a fraudulently user. Which is the least they could have done and it would have cleared my name.)

    Although pressed, he did come up with a more appropriate response than his previous statement about salvation.

    I’ll link to this set of comments in my previous post about the Larry King interview. Contrived gaming on his part or not, I’ll drop that issue as I said earlier. I won’t bash him for that further although the old post I have about it still is a good reference in contrasting how the topic is addressed by pastors when confronted by Larry King. But I’ll add a link to this comment thread, so people can make their own assessment with all the details.

    Having said all that, I must judge (as 1 Corinthians 5 says judge those who claim the Lord’s name) Osteen on how he speaks and conducts himself now. As in, do I see him speaking the Word of truth of the message of another. I’m able to forget his past. Now, he affirms a cult, now he endorses false doctrine, now he teaches new age madness spun with the Lord’s name. It’s apparent he does some of it for personal fame/glory. So now, based on what he does right now, I still see him as a false teacher. He speaks the basics when confronted, but still leads a parade of delusion. Perhaps in the Lord will help him see his current aberrant teaching and have him repent of it at some point. For now he’s still a false teachers, speaking of a false personal servant genie Jesus. If he feels Jesus is really the only means to salvation, he sure does not preach like it. I still see him as a man who is false teaching for himself, intentionally avoiding much of scripture for personal fame and not to be trusted. He still seems to be actively on a broad road and only speaks of the narrow one when pressed to do so, but does not seem to walk there continually. Those who pressed him about the Larry King interview need to continue, because he still seems to be a Matthew 7:23 candidate. He might look like he’s walking with Jesus at times (for very brief moments), but it seems he continually departs and really is not holding to Christ, like a man not called to Christ, John 6:65-66. Perhaps God will one day call Joel Osteen to His Son, but it really does not seem to have occurred yet.

  22. stan Says:

    I am a bit shocked to hear that you were treated by like that by Wikipedia. Hopefully, you’ll be able to have them correct this issue. I check in with them from time to time and I am aware that they are a contributor-based online encyclopedia. That is a novel idea appropriate to the internet.

    As to Osteen, the inconsistency between the apostolic profession of faith versus his modern self-help version of Christianity has forced us to beware of him and to mark him according to Romans 16:17.

    And, yes, like anyone else, he needs prayer so that he comes to the knowledge of the truth. If he repented and preached the real gospel without equivocation, he would be persecuted by the same multitude that speak so well of him now. That would be a good thing for him.

  23. IndependentConservative Says:

    Yes it would be great if Osteen comes to the truth.

    When I say Wikipedia “ignored” my appeals, I should be clear about that. They did respond to most of my appeals, with a “no your account is banned forever” sort of response. My last appeal was to try and have their “Arbitration Committee” review my case. I was told that typically leads nowhere and that’s exactly what happened.

    Basically, with Wikipedia after someone has been contributing for a while, they are viewed favorably by Wiki administrators. Then that person is able to leverage their own personal bias to their advantage. A person of Jewish blood who forsakes Christ was upset efforts were made to keep some pages on Wiki that they wanted deleted. So they (who had been active with Wiki for some time) falsely accused me and at least one other person of being impersonators of someone else. Instead of investigating more thoroughly, the accusation was believed by a single Wiki administrator and my account shut down “indefinitely”, that’s their form of lifetime banishment.

    Basically, Wikipedia has no good means for someone falsely accused to clear their name. Me and the person they accused me of impersonating both volunteered to mail any Wiki administrator copies of our bills from our Internet providers, to prove we were not at all the same person, it didn’t matter. My account was booted for being new and the person I was accused of impersonating got a short suspension.

  24. stan Says:

    wow. surprising treatment. I am sorry that happened to you.

  25. oct31st1517 Says:

    If there was any doubt that Osteen was a heretic, this should put it to rest. We now have a (so called) evangelical in league with mormonism. Perhaps if Osteen had a theological education or even studied his bible, he would not have made such an outragous statement. Unbelieveable!

  26. IndependentConservative Says:

    With all the talk that has been going on about Mormonism, even people who don’t read their Bible’s much realize Satan is not the brother of Jesus. That alone helps many figure out Mormonism is a cult.

    It’s very possible Osteen endorses the cult of Joseph Smith for reasons other than being ignorant to the fact it’s a cult.

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