December 29, 2007

Joel Osteen Exposed for the New Age Fraud He Really Is!

by @ 2:14 pm. Filed under The Truth Shall Set you Free!

Our YouTube brother bezel333 blows the covers off the fraud named Joel Osteen in the video below.


Joel Osteen, Stuart Smalley and The Secret

UPDATE: TS Production LLC who made “The Secret” video had the above video removed. Fair Use flushed again!

You might find a copy of the video by clicking this link. Better save a copy if you do!

(You folks who knew how to get a copy while it was still up, will have to rely on your downloaded copies.)

You can’t square the Osteen and “Secret” garbage against scripture like the following.

Luke 9:23-26 (New American Standard Bible)

23 And He was saying to them all, “If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross daily and follow Me.

24 “For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake, he is the one who will save it.

25 “For what is a man profited if he gains the whole world, and loses or forfeits himself?

26 “For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when He comes in His glory, and the glory of the Father and of the holy angels.

Each who desires to claim the Lord’s name must realize they are nothing and humble themselves to the Lord, James 4:13-17.

39 Responses to “Joel Osteen Exposed for the New Age Fraud He Really Is!”

  1. art123 Says:

    The girl eyeing that necklace from maybe Tiffanys and a Saturday Night Live clip are indications that Osteen is no different from the world. He makes a mockery of Christianity and so do they.

  2. truthintheselastdays Says:

    The Secret is pure NEW THOUGHT THEOLOGY. In fact, New Thought “churches” were over the moon when it came out. If memory serves me right, even Oprah endorsed it…

  3. IndependentConservative Says:

    Yes it appears she did.

    Video of her promo of “The Secret”.

    Show notes from her show about “The Secret”.

    The gospel of SELF will land them all in hell if they don’t grasp Luke 9:23-26 in truth.

  4. Praiser4Life Says:

    IC are you sure that these experts on “The Secret” didn’t come out of the Word of Faith movement? Word of Faith basically teaches the exact same thing that was in the video concerning “The Secret”. I just came out of a word of faith church this year and we used to say stuff like “I’m a money magnet” or “I will receive unexpected checks in the mail”. The same exact stuff that was in that video. The sad part about it is bezel333 could have easily replaced Joel Osteen with the likes of Kenneth Copeland, Creflo Dollar, Paula White and many others and the result would be the same.

  5. KyleNYC Says:

    at 3:30 “…you are strong, you are talented, you are creative, you are disciplined, you are called, you are equipped, you are chosen, you are a victor and not a victim.”

    well, it’s official. YOU ARE GOD. (sarcasm off)

    and then at 3:50 “I have been pre-programmed for victory.” that’s right, change your thinking…c’mon….go ‘head…change….change….change….oh, by the way, Satan here, um, did God really say you would die? Gen 3:4

    because, as joel says at 4:25, “you have the DNA of a champion inside you”.

    y’all can see where this is going, right?

  6. booboosdad Says:

    “You have God’s DNA inside of you?” — Any student of Microbiology would know that DNA is a double chain of nucleotides made of sugars, phospates, and bases … therefore by definition it is PHYSICAL matter. It is EARTHLY and CARNAL! Our Father God is SPIRIT, and therefore GOD does NOT have any DNA to pass on to us!!! In the same way, we do not have the alleles of “FAVOR” in our genes!! It is not a trait that can be passed down like brown or blue eyes!!! As Willow Boy spews his ignorance all over his audience, I can’t help but to think he’s a complete idiot … at least it’s obvious he doesn’t know the difference between physical and spiritual things, and that alone should disqualify him from holding the position he holds. Oh but a couple years ago, I would have defended him. I was raised in a WOF church and only by the grace of God did the truth eventually sink in, thanks to websites like this one and Pulpit-Pimps telling the truth about them. I thank our Lord for the love and mercy He has shown me each step of the way. It is a VERY hard and humbling road leading away from the Word of Faith.

  7. truthintheselastdays Says:

    Well, that isn’t much of a surprise. This stuff sounds rather DaVinci Code like a Secret dating back to 3500 BC supposedly, suppressed information, new truths…this is pure nonsense, I’m sorry but it is, just like the Emergent Church…

  8. stan Says:

    Two words: Itching ears.

    They want these teachers to tell them these lies so they can chase their delusions for unending temporal happiness.


    OT: IC, “Jesus Camp” is on A&E tonight (10 pm Eastern Standard Time). Have you done anything on this?

  9. IndependentConservative Says:

    They want these teachers to tell them these lies so they can chase their delusions for unending temporal happiness.

    You said it right there Stan!

    It’s always cute when they claim to desire all the money “to help others” 😆 . The apostles never seemed to need to hoard riches when helping others, on top of the fact they offered something better than physical bread and water, Matthew 4:4 and John 4:10 😉 .

    OT: IC, “Jesus Camp” is on A&E tonight (10 pm Eastern Standard Time). Have you done anything on this?

    No, it’s not something I can say I know very much about. For now, probably best covered by others more aware of it, but I’ll set the DVR to check that out.

  10. stan Says:

    The movie is made about a camp in North Dakota run by Becky Fischer, who is associated with the new apostles and prophets movement. She indoctrinates the kids to become militant about taking back America according to current Kingdom Now thinking. Her material is being bought by my former church as curriculum for its Junior Church.

  11. godlysoldier Says:

    It is a very hard and humbling road leading away from WOF…Just coming out of a WOF church and listening to this video is frightening! I say that because the part of me that was so indoctrined with WOF was still able to receive it…and agree! I say that to MY shame, but to the grace of God I say THANK YOU, because the eyes of my understanding are being enlightend and when you stand such rubbish up against the word of God…one can’t help but to accept the word of God as truth, and what’s coming out of the mouth of Olsteen as “another gospel!” The Truth will set you free, so long as you desire that Truth!

  12. godlysoldier Says:

    or I should say “Thee Truth” (Jesus)

  13. IndependentConservative Says:

    It certainly is “another gospel”. One of those “other doctrines”, that we are warned about in 1 Timothy 6.

  14. godlysoldier Says:

    1Tim 6, right on the money IC!

  15. art123 Says:

    I remembered when Time magazine did an interview with Osteen and the question that you would find most journalist ask preachers. If Christ said we should live humbly, why do you live contrary to the gospel and then referred to his crocodile shoes. You know he is called “The Smiling Preacher”.

  16. stan Says:

    Osteen has found a lucrative market in the hungry Americans who need more from God- more wealth, better health and success in this life. He “declares” those blessings over them by incantation; whereas Paul and Peter blessed their readers with Grace and Peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Paul and Peter and the other writers of the New Testament go on to explain the word of that grace and peace in their godly doctrine carefully outlined in their inspired letters. Being apostles, they were the only ones God entrusted with the true and holy doctrine of the Lord. All ministers of the Word must follow their teaching in letter and spirit without private modification. That is why not many should be teachers, for they shall be held to a stricter judgment and accounting. All who use the Word of God to serve themselves will not stand in the judgment, even if they boast of miraculous endowments such as those in Matthew 7:22-23.

  17. Queen Ahuva Says:

    I have listened to Joel and I have never heard him pushing anything but being what Yahweh has called each person to be. he has also specified that it is differnt things to different people. What exacly is WRONG with people being encouraged to pursue Yahweh and all that he has called thme to be? What is wrong with him encouaging them to be happy in Yahweh?? If her were out preaching about fire and brimstone all the time people would be all over his case about that . How well did Y’shua speak on such matters:

    Matthew 11:16-20 (New Living Translation)

    16 “To what can I compare this generation? It is like children playing a game in the public square. They complain to their friends,

    17 ‘We played wedding songs,
    and you didn’t dance,
    so we played funeral songs,
    and you didn’t mourn.’

    18 For John didn’t spend his time eating and drinking, and you say, ‘He’s possessed by a demon.’ 19 The Son of Man,[a] on the other hand, feasts and drinks, and you say, ‘He’s a glutton and a drunkard, and a friend of tax collectors and other sinners!’ But wisdom is shown to be right by its results.”

    Yahweh sent people from both sides : one somber and serious (John the Baptist) and one rejoicing and celebrating (Jesus) and people did not respond correctly to either side and both were sent from Yahweh!!!

    As far as I am concerend I believe Joel Osteen is a man Yahweh who encourages people to love and serve Yahweh with all of their hearts. If he is off, yahweh in due time will dal with him.

    Acts 5:34-39 (Amplified Bible)

    34But a certain Pharisee in the council (Sanhedrin) named Gamaliel, a teacher of the Law, highly esteemed by all the people, standing up, ordered that the apostles be taken outside for a little while.

    35Then he addressed them [the council, saying]: Men of Israel, take care in regard to what you propose to do concerning these men.

    36For before our time there arose Theudas, asserting himself to be a person of importance, with whom a number of men allied themselves, about 400; but he was killed and all who had listened to and adhered to him were scattered and brought to nothing.

    37And after this one rose up Judas the Galilean, [who led an uprising] during the time of the census, and drew away a popular following after him; he also perished and all his adherents were scattered.

    38Now in the present case let me say to you, stand off (withdraw) from these men and let them alone. For if this doctrine or purpose or undertaking or movement is of human origin, it will fail (be overthrown and come to nothing);

    39But if it is of God, you will not be able to stop or overthrow or destroy them; you might even be found fighting against God!

  18. IndependentConservative Says:

    Queen Ahuva asked:

    What exacly is WRONG with people being encouraged to pursue Yahweh and all that he has called thme to be?

    Because Osteen has people focused on SELF not God and Osteen’s message is so far from holding to Christ, that pagans enjoy his sermons.

    Osteen does not preach the truth of the gospel, which is a message of Contentment with what you have rather than feeling you are entitled to more. Osteen is not teaching humility and repentance, but pride.

    Nobody is speaking against Osteen because of him speaking truth, but because he’s misleading people away from a message of contentment and repentance, to a message of MORE, MORE MORE.

    Matthew 11:16-20 can’t be used with Osteen, because he’s not preaching the message of contentment that John the Baptist and Christ delivered.

    Acts 5:34-39 are not words for the church to live by, but words of a Pharisee. We are to keep watch for those who might divide the flock.

    Romans 16:17 (New American Standard Bible)

    17 Now I urge you, brethren, keep your eye on those who cause dissensions and hindrances contrary to the teaching which you learned, and turn away from them.

    Paul did not sit around waiting to see what might happen with a false teacher, he delivered them to Satan.

    1 Timothy 1:20 (New American Standard Bible)

    20 Among these are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan, so that they will be taught not to blaspheme.

    He kicked them out of fellowship.

    Joel Osteen is false, but it may take a little more time and study for you to better understand this.

    That trash Osteen is SELLING can’t be squared against 1 Timothy 6. Osteen has people feeling godliness is a means for earthly gain, that is a FALSE gospel.

  19. IndependentConservative Says:

    Queen Ahuva, regarding Joel Osteen, also please see this post for more that might help you understand.

  20. Queen Ahuva Says:

    Forgive me, I had no idea Yahweh put you in charge of this mans walk and have already decided his fate.

    You keep talking to me as if I lack understanding and have none at all. I understand better than you think. If we are going to go there and talk about “New Age” and Pagan practices. Most christians Celebrate Christmas and Easter. Christmas is not the celebration of the birth of Jesus, it is a pagan holiday that the Church decided to “christianize” to convert the pagans, the same with easter IAM NOT TALKING AOBUT THE RESURRECTION OF Y’SHUA, but Eggs and bunnies (Both fertility symbols from the pagan practices). I have seen alot of know-it-all christians who condemn people like Joel Osteen to a firely pit while they decorate their christamas trees, do their easter egg hunts, and hold on to all their other “chritianized paganisms” because after all we are not under the law we are under grace right?

    Your comments about Acts 5 is the common response of most Christians when it comes to the Pharisees. Not all the Pharisees were Y’shua crucufying hypocrites. MANY supported him and followed him. Most Chritians have a tendency to group all the Pharisess together and that is very BIGOTED. It would be akin to saying all Pastors are hypocrites, or all blacks look alike. Y’shua NEVER condemed all the Phairsees, only the ones who were not living right, just like you do today on this website with certain pastors. You are not talking about all pastors, just the ones for whom the shoe fits.

    I have read up historically on the Pharisees and you should know that they are part of the reason you have your big black bible. When the nation of Israel went into exile in Babylon, they were the ones who helped to preserve the Torah and the writings of the prophets which would have been lost. Many of the Pharisees were very devoted and to the purity of the word of Yahweh being preserved. If you notice, Y’shua did not deal with all the Pharisees the same say. He saved his scathing responses for the ones who were not interested in the truth, but just wanted him to explain himself because they felt threatend by him. To the others who asked him questions, he answered with a question which was the way Rabbi’s dialogued with each other. Y’shua was a Rabbi and his Talmidim (Disciples) were hebrews not christians and they called themselves followers of THE WAY, the way of Yahweh that is. Paul ( his real name Saul) was a pharisee, who became a follower of The WAY (Y’shua- I am THE WAY, the truth and the life) and before you respond with the scripture reference about Paul stating that he counted his position of Pharisee as worthless in comparison to the riches of knowing Y’shua I know that already, but his training as a pharisee which included memorizing the five books of Moses (Genesis-Deuteronomy) was instrumental in him teaching and instructing the Gentiles who had no knowledge of the ways of Yahweh. being pagans, he had to give them a crash course, which is what most of those letters that he wrote make up what people call the new testament which is acttually commentary on the old testament. You can’t even understand the book of revelation without the old testament whose symbols come from the tabernacle of moses and the temple of solomon. Y’shua was dressed like a Levitical High preist.

    But enought of that. In all this witch hunting. I have not heard one person say. Pray for for this guy or the others. if you think he is mis-leading people? PRAY FOR HIM. I remember when Carlton Pearson, the darling of TBN and the black community in the 80’s and 90’s when he came out with the “Gospel of Inclusion” (Which I think is erroneous) I did not see or hear any of the Major ministers speak out to pray for him. They publicly branded him a heretic and treated him like dirt. I still believe Joel is sincere, but if he is off, he does not appear like the type of person that is unreachable, if you feel that strongly that he is off, then speak out for people to pray for him instead of being ready to turn him over to satan. Ask yourself, if you were off, would you want people to pray for your return to the arms of Yahweh or to be turned over to Satan for destruction???

  21. Queen Ahuva Says:

    P.S Let me say in what you have spoken about the danger of the encouragement being self-centered, has valid points. We all have a desitiny in Yahweh and it is not always bling-bling and this is what is mis-leading. Our destiny is to Glorify Yahweh; sometimes it’s pretty, sometimes it’s not. John the Baptist prepared 30 years for 1 1/2 years of ministry and was then be-headed. Abraham died old and full of years. They both fufiled their destined purpose in Yahweh.

  22. art123 Says:

    Queen Ahuva, I would like to interject and say something if I may. I hope it is ok, IC. Queen, I first heard Osteen speak in 2004 on a Christian network and then radio. I would admit and say that man gave some pretty good feel good sermons to the point that you’re drawn in to what he’s saying. Though he spoke of Christ, he didn’t use it as a focus. I saw an 2005 CNN interview and transcript on him with Larry King. It was horrible. He didn’t have an answer for the gospel and he told Larry King that he couldn’t judge and say who’s going to hell. Aren’t homosexuals, idolaters, and other sins of the flesh going there if they’re not preached to?That’s what the gospel is, Christ centered. It is not about improving yourself. It is about Jesus works and allowing Him to do a work in your life. That means when you are drawn to Him, you become a new creature and you deny yourself. He allows you to see the error of your ways so that you can change. Today’s preachers are not preaching the gospel like they’re supposed to. When you read the scriptures, look and see how the prophets, apostles, and even Jesus Christ Himself preached. It is called turn and burn sermons. Do away of your sins or else you’re burning in hell. Many were persecuted and beheaded for the true gospel. John was beheaded because he told the truth about Herod and his wicked self. I haven’t heard a turn and burn sermon in years and if you’re called of God to preach, that’s the way it should be preached and let the chips fall where they may. Also, if you’re called, God gives you that power to judge because the message is coming from Him. Deny the prophet and you’re denying God. Did you know that even saints can judge? In conclusion, check Osteen out. He sounds like motivational speaker Tony Robbins if you’ve ever heard of him. He’s not helping you, he’s hurting you. Do you want a one-way ticket to hell. Keep listening to preachers like him.

  23. art123 Says:

    To add, you say pray for these heretic preachers. I’d say pray for the lost because many of them will be spending eternity in hell because of this prosperity gospel. Pray for the preachers if you like, but preachers are put in a leadership position to know better than to take God’s word and twist it around for profit and gain.

  24. Queen Ahuva Says:

    You read my comments with selective reading. In the end I said pray for the guy, he is not beyond prayer, if for nothing else for the sake of the people he influences. I am sorry Yahweh did not retire and give you or anyone else this planet the power to decide who gets a one way ticket to hell. Yes, Yahweh gave us the authority in Y’shua to judge, but Judge correctly and with wisdom, love and humility not with self-righteous arrogance. Sometimes yahweh has to knock us on our butts to teach us how to judge with compassion. I share story from my own expereince. I had a friend who was avoiding a bill collector at work and I judged her in my heart feeling she needed to own up and pay her bill. and you know what happend to me a couple of months later? I found myself avoiding a bill collector at work. In that moment I understood how she felt. She was not avoiding that bill collector because she was trying to get away with paying her bill, she was avoiding him becasue she was ashamed that she could not pay. I understood first hand how she felt and to teach me not to judge without knowing all the facts, he allowed me to expereince the same situation. MAN looks on the outward appearnace Yahweh looks on the HEART. I guess if you ever get off track in the future, no one should pray for you right? Just stamp you a one way ticket to hell. As I said before since you are so quick to pass out judgement and one way tickets to hell how many Christians are still clinging to their chrisitnaized paganizms Like Chirstmas, Easter and Sunday worship? Things that Y’shua NEVER endorsed. Yahweh will wink at stuff like that but send Joel to hell right? I guess so………..

  25. Queen Ahuva Says:

    You know what art 123? I guess you are so perfect and so arrived that you will never need prayer and you are BEYOND REBUKE AND CORRECTION. I had no idea Yahweh voted you 4th in the Godhead. What is worng with me? I should have recognized your newly aquired position. Nobody told me Yahweh retired and gave you his job in ruling the universe WHAT THE HECK WAS I THINKING!!!!!!!!

  26. IndependentConservative Says:

    Queen Ahuva, you will show a bit more respect to those you disagree with here, or your privilege to comment here (here being this blog) will be revoked.

  27. art123 Says:

    You’re right sweetie. I do not have a heaven or hell to put you in and the apostleship position is closed. I didn’t step to you in a crass matter nor condemned you to hell. I said if you continue to follow these money hungry, capitalist pigs, you could spend eternity in hell. Now this topic is about Osteen, right? This topic isn’t about you, me, and your bill paying friend. Osteen is a false prophet. Did you get it? 2 Pet 2 has already condemned people like Osteen. I was trying to help and if you took it that way, then I apologize. However, I am going to say this. No, I haven’t arrive and God is still at work in my life. Before you condemned me to hell, read your bible so you can know what I am talking about and watch what you say because you could be accountable for it. Everyone is accountable for their words. The bible makes that clear. I’ll leave you to IC. Good day.

  28. Queen Ahuva Says:

    I never condemed you to hell, I am not in the place of God, I don’t have a heaven or a hell to put anybody in. if you remember what YOU WROTE about me and other people getting a one way ticket to hell if we keep listening to Joel. I never said Joel was right in everything he said, I said I respect him encouraging people and that in any way he is misleading people he needs prayer. I said we have to seek Yahweh when it comes to judging people. Jim Bakker was a positive prosperity minister and after being in put in jail, he was a humbled and changed man. he is back in ministry with a totaly different perspective and he repented and apologized for the things he taught before the PTL scnadal. God restored him. God had the final say in this man’s life he was not beyond redemption, forgiveness and resotration. I am not saying stand by and agree when erroneous teaching is being taught, by all means speak out against it!!!! I am saying that we need to watch our ATTITUDES because don’t have a heaven or hell to put anybody in and we need to be really careful before we decide who is a heretic and who is not.
    Your comment about meed needing to go any read my bible was really condescending. But will leave a few verses for you complimnets of someone who DOES read her bible

    Matthew 7:2-4 (New Living translation)
    For you will be treated as you treat others.[a] The standard you use in judging is the standard by which you will be judged.[b]

    3 “And why worry about a speck in your friend’s eye[c] when you have a log in your own? 4 How can you think of saying to your friend,[d] ‘Let me help you get rid of that speck in your eye,’ when you can’t see past the log in your own eye?

    Same verses The Message Translation

    -5 “Don’t pick on people, jump on their failures, criticize their faults— unless, of course, you want the same treatment. That critical spirit has a way of boomeranging. It’s easy to see a smudge on your neighbor’s face and be oblivious to the ugly sneer on your own. Do you have the nerve to say, ‘Let me wash your face for you,’ when your own face is distorted by contempt? It’s this whole traveling road-show mentality all over again, playing a holier-than-thou part instead of just living your part. Wipe that ugly sneer off your own face, and you might be fit to offer a washcloth to your neighbor.

    Matthew 15:13-14 (Amplified Bible)
    Amplified Bible (AMP)

    13He answered, Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be torn up by the roots.(A)

    14Let them alone and disregard them; they are blind guides and teachers. And if a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a ditch

  29. IndependentConservative Says:

    Queen Ahuva, there are some issues with doctrine of some people you see as good, that only the Lord can help you with. That among other things.

    When you cite verses about specks in eyes, you’ve forgotten to include the part about someone who has clear eyes being able to help someone else. You are where some (most) of us have been, but as much as we’d like to help you, we can’t do anything other than offer a little advice and you are accountable from there. Only the Lord can remove delusion as He wills the Holy Spirit to help some see the truth.

    And I would advise against using The Message Translation. It was written by one man to impress his Sunday School class, tickle ears. That that is not a hidden fact.

    Here’s a little something else that may help you if the Lord wills you come to understanding of the truth in a better way:
    Charles Finney Proves How Terrible Doctrine Carries for Generations.

  30. IndependentConservative Says:

    Queen Ahuva, I wonder if you really believe members of church leadership are to be the husband of one wife, as is detailed in 1 Timothy 3. I say I wonder, because Jim Bakker we know is not the husband of one wife. We know he is not a man of good reputation. We know he has a bad reputation even with those outside the body of Christ. But you feel Jim Bakker is acting as a man of God in restoring himself to be in front of a TV camera. Of course he apologized for what he was caught doing, he was caught.

    The same false teacher has come to you twice and you’re embracing him the 2nd time, when he has less to meet the 1 Timothy 3 standard than before.

  31. IndependentConservative Says:

    You speak of pagan influences. What Osteen is doing would be the equivalent of a pastor preaching every week about the value of Easter eggs and twisting a Bible verse to speak of how wonderful Easter eggs are for 30 minutes on national TV, every week. Writing books about it and traveling to do some shows about it too.

    So I find your efforts to harp about Easter eggs (and such) bolsters my case far more than your own. What Osteen is doing is the equivalent of making Easter eggs church doctrine, nobody is doing that who even has an Easter egg hunt in their own back yard, because they are not acting like God is all about some colored eggs.

    Being under grace does not mean you claim godliness is a means for personal gain, again we’re back to 1 Timothy 6, words written under grace. When a pastor speaking to millions says godliness is about an Easter egg, please let me know. I’ll certainly have to make a post about them too.

    Regarding Pharisees, we know Paul WAS ONCE one, but didn’t claim to be after coming to Christ and debated against those of the party of the Pharisee after conversion, see Acts 15. The Words of Gamaliel, Pharisee and teacher of the law in Acts 5 are the words of an unregenerate man. That was a debate over whether to KILL PETER. We have no such desires to harm anyone. Your reference to Acts 5 is misguided in many ways. As pathetic as the “touch not mine anointed” line.

    Regarding Pharisee who rejected Christ, died and now burn in hell, concerning their keeping Hebrew scriptures when among the living, God uses plenty of people who are evil for good. Just as He used an occult fan name King James, to authorize an English translation of scripture. He even hardened the heart of Pharaoh to show His power, Exodus 4:21, to ultimately crush Pharaoh. And those Pharisee who rejected Christ, but maintained Hebrew scriptures for saints, those Pharisee burn in hell along side Pharaoh.

    Regarding those turned over to Satan for destruction, they were welcomed back if they turned from their evil ways.

  32. IndependentConservative Says:

    It is called turn and burn sermons.

    I always thought it was called TURN OR BURN, we don’t want people to turn so they will burn 😆 .

  33. IndependentConservative Says:

    and Sunday worship

    Exactly how much of the old law do you desire Christians keep? You need to read this: THEY CHANGED THE SABBATH TO SUNDAY.

    Days observed to the Lord is Romans 14. But claiming godliness is a means for gain is warned against in…(everyone should know by now) 1 Timothy 6. So your efforts to equate Osteen to a day of observance are just horribly, horribly lame.

  34. Queen Ahuva Says:

    You do not know Jim Baker’s heart or motives. Once again I keep forgetting Yahweh voted you in 4th in the Godhead so you know everybody’s heart and motives.I thought only Yahweh knows if he sincerely repented or not, I guess not. King David was caught, he repented and God forgave him. But had you been there you would have asked God to send him to hell and condemed him not as a man after Yahweh’s own heart but a false king and a false leader. When the religious leaders threw the woman CAUGHT in adultery at Y’shua’s feet, You would probably been the first one in line to throw a rock at her head.

    I will say this and I will leave you alone in your self-righteous stance. I cannot speak for any of these people and where they stand before Yahweh. And contrary to the belief you may hold about them, Yahweh still loves them, and he will deal with them at the right time and place for any transgressions they are guilty of. The only difference bewteen their screw-ups and yours, mine and every other person on this planet is that ours are not televised on 60 minutes or you-tube. When you screw-up you can repent in private, but if you continue to carry this self-righteous, I know the heart of every man woman and child in ministry and I know who deserves to go to hell, who is a false teacher and if they do repent I KNOW PERSONALLY THEY DON”T MEAN IT, Your harping proves I am more right than you are, and who is not sincere about repentence attitude, the same measure of damning judgement you are dishing out to others will come back on your head when you fall short because the same Most HIGH that is watching Joel and the rest is also paying close attention you, my friend and I hope in that day when you need grace when you fall short of the Glory of Yahweh and have to eat a slice of humble pie for your transgressions that you will not receive the full measure of the condemnation you have seen fit to decide that others deserve. Maybe then you will learn compassion.

    Luke 9:53-56 (Amplified Bible)

    53But [the people] would not welcome or receive or accept Him, because His face was [set as if He was] going to Jerusalem.

    54And when His disciples James and John observed this, they said, Lord, do You wish us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them, [a]even as Elijah did ? [II Kings 1:9-16.]

    55But He turned and rebuked and severely censured them. [b]He said, You do not know of what sort of spirit you are,

    56For the Son of Man did not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them [c][from the penalty of eternal death]. And they journeyed on to another village.

  35. Queen Ahuva Says:

    Romans 12:4

    4Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

  36. IndependentConservative Says:

    Queen Ahuva said:

    You do not know Jim Baker’s heart or motives.

    What do I need to do, wait for another scandal?

    The man has less to qualify him for church leadership than before.

    King David was caught, he repented and God forgave him.

    God appointed King David, not Jim. David was not caught, rather exposed by God through the prophet Nathan, 2 Samuel 12. Jim was false from the start and anybody with 2 eyes could see his former spouse was about as nutty as Jan Crouch. And Jim was back before she even died, 2 wives, terrible reputation that is not from prior to him claiming the Lord’s name, but you still stand with him. He can repent, that does not do away with 1 Timothy 3 and the fact he’s no longer qualified. I’ll use that as my guide of who to embrace as a church leader.

    Then you ramble on again about King David:

    But had you been there you would have asked God to send him to hell and condemed him not as a man after Yahweh’s own heart but a false king and a false leader.

    Given the qualifications were different during that dispensation I think I would have kept my mouth shut.

    When the religious leaders threw the woman CAUGHT in adultery at Y’shua’s feet, You would probably been the first one in line to throw a rock at her head.

    I’m not sure what it is with defenders of pimps including folks like you wishing I would desire to kill someone, but it’s not godly, whatever it is that causes such suggestions.

    I cannot speak for any of these people and where they stand before Yahweh.

    Because you need to grow in discernment. Which is why you give some false teachers a pat on the back, while realizing some others that are more obvious are false.

    Ephesians 5:11 (New American Standard Bible)

    11 Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them;

    Ask God for wisdom and He will give it to you.

    …the same measure of damning judgement you are dishing out to others will come back on your head when you fall short because the same Most HIGH that is watching Joel and the rest is also paying close attention you, my friend and I hope in that day when you need grace when you fall short of the Glory of Yahweh and have to eat a slice of humble pie for your transgressions that you will not receive the full measure of the condemnation you have seen fit to decide that others deserve.

    If I start pimping for money, if I start spreading new age junk as the gospel, if I claim church leadership then act a fool and wish to return to leadership with a 2nd wife, it would be fitting if God brought condemnation on me, as He will the false teachers, even the ones you support and defend, if they don’t repent. I don’t say there is no possibility they might come to the truth, but I do actively warn the sheep of what they are up to now. Sometimes someone does not get it, that’s where you come in playing defense for a pimp.

    Maybe then you will learn compassion.

    If I didn’t have compassion for fellow saints and desiring they not be deceived by a deceiver I guess I would shut things down and make you happy.

    Regarding your reference to Luke 9:53-56, it’s the Lord that has some of us sounding the alarm against these false teachers. So the sheep get the warning. There you go again with thoughts I’d like to “destroy” someone 🙄 . If speaking against someone is “raining fire down”, you need to take a look at what you’ve written towards me.

    Your last comment has text from Romans 14:4. You defenders of pimps are too predictable. I’ve been waiting for you to come with that one. Now how about you read Romans 14 in full and realize it’s about opinions of matters not diverting from essential doctrine. When men preach godliness as a means for earthly gain, that is specifically spoken against in 1 Timothy 6 and in all your words you have not dared touch that scripture, because you know it exposes Osteen’s New Age game. A game YOU LIKE.

    But your lame “4th in the Godhead” remark has worn thin. I warned you when you’ve come with it previously. So you’re gone. Try a little humility “Queen”. You said you were leaving, I’ve made sure of that.

  37. Tina Jamina Says:

    Looks like One cannot disagree on this website without being cut off. I am so Glad the Lord does not do that to his childrn so quickly. I am grateful you are not my judge on judgement day or I would have no hope neither would anyone needing the mercy of God.

  38. IndependentConservative Says:

    Tina Jamina – I don’t suffer promotion of false doctrine long. I’m not here to play the role of your redeemer. But rather expose those who don’t honestly uphold His Word in truth.

    If you wish to entertain debate never ending, please start a blog and show how it should be done.

  39. IndependentConservative Says:

    Ah, slick move Queen, you’ve opened multiple accounts and are trying to get more to have approval, so you can continue commenting under different names. Nice try, consider them all cut off.

    For the record, Tina Jamina is Queen Ahuva and is also trying to get in with another account using a name’s name, that will not be approved. You who run blogs know how I know these are all the same, aside from the fact they all showed up within minutes of Queen Ahuva being banned.

    But Queen Ahuva claims to stand for Christ. Ah, Queen Ahuva, using deception is not exactly a godly way of going about things. You might want to stop such acts. Be a woman (or man) of your word and go as you said you would.

    But I knew you were not to be trusted as true to your word. I knew you would not actually go away. So goodbye again.

    (By the way, I know a broadcaster in LA that would not like hearing what someone [and her friends there] are doing on their internet connection. So cut it out. Yes I will report you all if you keep it up and you can call whoever you wish about it.)

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