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		<title>By: Pastor Mike Grady Toronto</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 06:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Word Of Faith Preachers.Are They False Prophets Or Men Of God? What Do You Think? Have Your Say &lt;abbr title=&quot;2007-12-09T18:24:06-08:00&quot;&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;9-Dec-07 at 6:24 PM &lt;a href=&quot;http://pastormikegradytoronto.vox.com/library/post/the-word-of-faith-preachersare-they-false-prophets-or-men-of-god-what-do-you-think-have-your-say.html#comments&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;1 comment&lt;/a&gt;  I think it is High Time that men of God STAND UP and speak the truth in love in response to what the Bible says about proper Christian conduct and how a Man of God should be an example to the Church and the unbeliever.First of all I believe the Bible teaches that Jesus Christ is the Son of God,That Jesus was born of a Virgin,That Jesus died on the cross of Calvary to provide redemption from sin,and that Jesus rose on the 3rd. day.And I also believe that Jesus Christ is THE ONLY WAY in which a man can find Salvation and eternal life and apart from faith in Jesus Christ men will be judged by God who is Holy to an eternity in Hell for their wickedness and sin.I also believe what the Lord said in 
&lt;strong&gt;John 3:3&lt;/strong&gt; Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Only those who are Born Again will be saved form God&#039;s wrath and eternal torment in hell. &lt;strong&gt;Secondly &lt;/strong&gt;the Bible clearly states that we are to consider all things by the Word of God so that we know how the Man of God should conduct himself.And the word of God says in &lt;strong&gt;2 Timothy 2:15&lt;/strong&gt;: Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 

And the word of truth is what we are to use to conduct our lifes.And if one studies God word they will find In &lt;strong&gt;2nd Timothy 3:16-17: it states
&lt;/strong&gt;All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 
17: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. 

Gods word is profitable for many wonderful things and here in particular &lt;strong&gt;4 Things&lt;/strong&gt;. &lt;strong&gt;1-&lt;/strong&gt;For doctrine &lt;strong&gt;2-&lt;/strong&gt;For reproof &lt;strong&gt;3-&lt;/strong&gt;For correction &lt;strong&gt;4-&lt;/strong&gt;For instruction in righteousness 

And these &lt;strong&gt;4 Things &lt;/strong&gt;are provided by God to us for a reason because without sound doctrine,without reproof,without correction and without instruction in rightousness 
&lt;strong&gt;Then v:17 &lt;/strong&gt;would not be correct which says: 
17: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. 

So when some suggest that someone is judging by agreeing with what Senator Grassley is bringing out in the open about these Pastors lifestyles.It has been reported in the US press that some of these 6 ministries Pastors under public scrunity who are Benny Hinn,Keneth Copeland,Crefflo Dollar Joyce Myers and others, that they fly in Cessana Jets,drive Rolls Royces and Bentley Convertables,live in Mansions worth from 2 Million Dollars up to 10 Million Dollars,stay in Presidentalial Suites for a sum of one Thousand Dollars up to Ten Thousand Dollars a night and have a Salary of $500,000 up to 1 Million, or 2 Million US Dollars .One of these 6 Pastors when asked on CNN IF THEY BELIEVED JESUS WOULD AGREE TO THEM HAVING A ROLLS ROYCE? HE SAID &quot;YES Jesus would agree&quot; 

So when we look at what is taking place with Senator Grassley,s requested inquiry on ministries such as the above and in light of the scandal at Oral Roberts University where as even the President Richard Roberts resigned a couple of weeks back after his accountant informed the world that he was instructed to &quot;&lt;strong&gt;cook the books&quot; &lt;/strong&gt;by Richard Roberts himself and the accountant was Fired. 

And when you take into account that these 6 ministries &lt;strong&gt;teach false teachings &lt;/strong&gt;that I Quote..&lt;em&gt;&quot;We are all little gods&quot; and that we have the power to create through our words,and the Properity Gospel&lt;/em&gt;.Now if anyone agrees with what these above Word of Faith preachers teach,then let me ask you 3 questions.#-1- Are you a little god?#-2-Do you have the power to create by the words you speak? #-3- Are you the Creator?If you honestly answer no to any of these questions then I sincerely suggest that you check out the teachings of the above &lt;strong&gt;Word of Faith teachers &lt;/strong&gt;because that is exactly what they teach.Check it out for yourself because that is not what the bible teaches at all.Now perhaps one is being judgemental if you think that &lt;strong&gt;Doctrine Reproof,Correction and Instruction in Rightousness &lt;/strong&gt;is not an appropiate measure to be guided by not only in these &lt;strong&gt;6 Pastors ministries but in any Christian ministries&lt;/strong&gt;.And let me ask have you really dug into what The &lt;strong&gt;Word of Faith Movement teaches&lt;/strong&gt;?I suggest that any one reading this finds out and become aware of what these ministries teach.The choice is yours. 

It&#039;s about time that MEN OF GOD STAND UP and speak the word of truth in love and through Gods Word find Doctrine and Reproof false teachers and bring Correction so that people are not mislead and bring Instruction in righteousness so that people wiil be aware of what is happening. 

I am an ordained Pentecostal minister in Regent Park -St. Jamestown Toronto.And I have a duty as a watchman of the church God has called me to lead.Here are some scriptures to that warn us of the very things we are talking about. 

&lt;strong&gt;2nd.Peter 2:1-3&lt;/strong&gt; But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 
2: And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 
3: And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 

&lt;strong&gt;1 Timothy 4:1:&lt;/strong&gt; Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 

&lt;strong&gt;1rst Timothy 6:3-11 &lt;/strong&gt;If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; 
4: He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, 
5: Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself. 
6: But godliness with contentment is great gain. 
7: For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. 
8: And having food and raiment let us be therewith content. 
9: But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. 
10: For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. 
11: But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness. 

&lt;strong&gt;1rst Peter 5:2: &lt;/strong&gt;Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind; 
3: Neither as being lords over God&#039;s heritage, but being ensamples to the flock. 

If anyone would like to discuss what My views are on any of the above statements or on the bible in general,please feel free to respond to this email... Pastor Mike Grady info@mgrady.net
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Word Of Faith Preachers.Are They False Prophets Or Men Of God? What Do You Think? Have Your Say <abbr title="2007-12-09T18:24:06-08:00"></abbr>9-Dec-07 at 6:24 PM <a href="http://pastormikegradytoronto.vox.com/library/post/the-word-of-faith-preachersare-they-false-prophets-or-men-of-god-what-do-you-think-have-your-say.html#comments" rel="nofollow">1 comment</a>  I think it is High Time that men of God STAND UP and speak the truth in love in response to what the Bible says about proper Christian conduct and how a Man of God should be an example to the Church and the unbeliever.First of all I believe the Bible teaches that Jesus Christ is the Son of God,That Jesus was born of a Virgin,That Jesus died on the cross of Calvary to provide redemption from sin,and that Jesus rose on the 3rd. day.And I also believe that Jesus Christ is THE ONLY WAY in which a man can find Salvation and eternal life and apart from faith in Jesus Christ men will be judged by God who is Holy to an eternity in Hell for their wickedness and sin.I also believe what the Lord said in<br />
<strong>John 3:3</strong> Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Only those who are Born Again will be saved form God&#8217;s wrath and eternal torment in hell. <strong>Secondly </strong>the Bible clearly states that we are to consider all things by the Word of God so that we know how the Man of God should conduct himself.And the word of God says in <strong>2 Timothy 2:15</strong>: Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. </p>
<p>And the word of truth is what we are to use to conduct our lifes.And if one studies God word they will find In <strong>2nd Timothy 3:16-17: it states<br />
</strong>All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:<br />
17: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. </p>
<p>Gods word is profitable for many wonderful things and here in particular <strong>4 Things</strong>. <strong>1-</strong>For doctrine <strong>2-</strong>For reproof <strong>3-</strong>For correction <strong>4-</strong>For instruction in righteousness </p>
<p>And these <strong>4 Things </strong>are provided by God to us for a reason because without sound doctrine,without reproof,without correction and without instruction in rightousness<br />
<strong>Then v:17 </strong>would not be correct which says:<br />
17: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. </p>
<p>So when some suggest that someone is judging by agreeing with what Senator Grassley is bringing out in the open about these Pastors lifestyles.It has been reported in the US press that some of these 6 ministries Pastors under public scrunity who are Benny Hinn,Keneth Copeland,Crefflo Dollar Joyce Myers and others, that they fly in Cessana Jets,drive Rolls Royces and Bentley Convertables,live in Mansions worth from 2 Million Dollars up to 10 Million Dollars,stay in Presidentalial Suites for a sum of one Thousand Dollars up to Ten Thousand Dollars a night and have a Salary of $500,000 up to 1 Million, or 2 Million US Dollars .One of these 6 Pastors when asked on CNN IF THEY BELIEVED JESUS WOULD AGREE TO THEM HAVING A ROLLS ROYCE? HE SAID &quot;YES Jesus would agree&quot; </p>
<p>So when we look at what is taking place with Senator Grassley,s requested inquiry on ministries such as the above and in light of the scandal at Oral Roberts University where as even the President Richard Roberts resigned a couple of weeks back after his accountant informed the world that he was instructed to &quot;<strong>cook the books&quot; </strong>by Richard Roberts himself and the accountant was Fired. </p>
<p>And when you take into account that these 6 ministries <strong>teach false teachings </strong>that I Quote..<em>&quot;We are all little gods&quot; and that we have the power to create through our words,and the Properity Gospel</em>.Now if anyone agrees with what these above Word of Faith preachers teach,then let me ask you 3 questions.#-1- Are you a little god?#-2-Do you have the power to create by the words you speak? #-3- Are you the Creator?If you honestly answer no to any of these questions then I sincerely suggest that you check out the teachings of the above <strong>Word of Faith teachers </strong>because that is exactly what they teach.Check it out for yourself because that is not what the bible teaches at all.Now perhaps one is being judgemental if you think that <strong>Doctrine Reproof,Correction and Instruction in Rightousness </strong>is not an appropiate measure to be guided by not only in these <strong>6 Pastors ministries but in any Christian ministries</strong>.And let me ask have you really dug into what The <strong>Word of Faith Movement teaches</strong>?I suggest that any one reading this finds out and become aware of what these ministries teach.The choice is yours. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s about time that MEN OF GOD STAND UP and speak the word of truth in love and through Gods Word find Doctrine and Reproof false teachers and bring Correction so that people are not mislead and bring Instruction in righteousness so that people wiil be aware of what is happening. </p>
<p>I am an ordained Pentecostal minister in Regent Park -St. Jamestown Toronto.And I have a duty as a watchman of the church God has called me to lead.Here are some scriptures to that warn us of the very things we are talking about. </p>
<p><strong>2nd.Peter 2:1-3</strong> But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.<br />
2: And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.<br />
3: And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. </p>
<p><strong>1 Timothy 4:1:</strong> Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; </p>
<p><strong>1rst Timothy 6:3-11 </strong>If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;<br />
4: He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,<br />
5: Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.<br />
6: But godliness with contentment is great gain.<br />
7: For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.<br />
8: And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.<br />
9: But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.<br />
10: For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.<br />
11: But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness. </p>
<p><strong>1rst Peter 5:2: </strong>Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;<br />
3: Neither as being lords over God&#8217;s heritage, but being ensamples to the flock. </p>
<p>If anyone would like to discuss what My views are on any of the above statements or on the bible in general,please feel free to respond to this email&#8230; Pastor Mike Grady <a href="mailto:info@mgrady.net">info@mgrady.net</a></p>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/12/21/the_blind_dead_video/comment-page-1/#comment-7822</link>
		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 01:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The false apostles really do make a mess.  From my read, scripture such as &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&amp;chapter=2&amp;verse=43&amp;version=49&amp;context=verse&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Acts 2:43&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&amp;chapter=5&amp;verse=12&amp;version=49&amp;context=verse&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Acts 5:12&lt;/a&gt; shows &quot;signs and wonders&quot; were prevalent among the apostles.  The following scripture proves to me that &quot;signs and wonders&quot; were the mark of a true apostle.

&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight: bold&quot;&gt;2 Corinthians 12:12 (New American Standard Bible)&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;div style=&quot;margin-left: 40px&quot;&gt; &lt;span class=&quot;sup&quot;&gt;12&lt;/span&gt;The signs of a true apostle were performed among you with all perseverance, by signs and wonders and miracles.
&lt;/div&gt;
Now, the apostles are no longer with us.  Why some people act like they need an apostle I do not know.  In our &quot;church age&quot; the Lord wills as He desires, but minus the apostles and the church established, I&#039;m not seeing that I need anything but faith.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20thes%202;&amp;version=49;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;2 Thessalonians 2&lt;/a&gt; shows us that a great &quot;signs and wonders&quot; movement in our age would not be something to run to.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev%2011&amp;version=49&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Revelation 11&lt;/a&gt; shows us 2 will come from Heaven with some major signs and wonders, but apart from that, I see a room full of vipers and pimps when someone promises a night of &quot;signs and wonders&quot;.  We simply do not have apostolic authority and need to accept what occurs as the Lord wills.  I feel God&#039;s grace is sufficient and whether or not He wills a healing, wonder or miracle is not something we can promise ourselves, because only God knows what He wills for us.  We&#039;ve all got a story of a healing or something, however, we need to stick in the scriptures and stop chasing &quot;signs and wonders&quot;.  Things occur as the Lord wills, but we have no promise that we&#039;ll have &quot;revival&quot; coming, but rather apostasy.

This whole modern &quot;signs and wonders&quot; mess started at &lt;a href=&quot;../../../10/23/faked_holy_spirit_azusa_parham/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Azusa&lt;/a&gt; and should be a warning to us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The false apostles really do make a mess.  From my read, scripture such as <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&amp;chapter=2&amp;verse=43&amp;version=49&amp;context=verse" rel="nofollow">Acts 2:43</a> and <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&amp;chapter=5&amp;verse=12&amp;version=49&amp;context=verse" rel="nofollow">Acts 5:12</a> shows &quot;signs and wonders&quot; were prevalent among the apostles.  The following scripture proves to me that &quot;signs and wonders&quot; were the mark of a true apostle.</p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold">2 Corinthians 12:12 (New American Standard Bible)</span></p>
<div style="margin-left: 40px"> <span class="sup">12</span>The signs of a true apostle were performed among you with all perseverance, by signs and wonders and miracles.
</div>
<p>Now, the apostles are no longer with us.  Why some people act like they need an apostle I do not know.  In our &quot;church age&quot; the Lord wills as He desires, but minus the apostles and the church established, I&#8217;m not seeing that I need anything but faith.  <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20thes%202;&amp;version=49;" rel="nofollow">2 Thessalonians 2</a> shows us that a great &quot;signs and wonders&quot; movement in our age would not be something to run to.  <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev%2011&amp;version=49" rel="nofollow">Revelation 11</a> shows us 2 will come from Heaven with some major signs and wonders, but apart from that, I see a room full of vipers and pimps when someone promises a night of &quot;signs and wonders&quot;.  We simply do not have apostolic authority and need to accept what occurs as the Lord wills.  I feel God&#8217;s grace is sufficient and whether or not He wills a healing, wonder or miracle is not something we can promise ourselves, because only God knows what He wills for us.  We&#8217;ve all got a story of a healing or something, however, we need to stick in the scriptures and stop chasing &quot;signs and wonders&quot;.  Things occur as the Lord wills, but we have no promise that we&#8217;ll have &quot;revival&quot; coming, but rather apostasy.</p>
<p>This whole modern &quot;signs and wonders&quot; mess started at <a href="../../../10/23/faked_holy_spirit_azusa_parham/" rel="nofollow">Azusa</a> and should be a warning to us.</p>
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		<title>By: BagLady</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/12/21/the_blind_dead_video/comment-page-1/#comment-7815</link>
		<dc:creator>BagLady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 18:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good. I know you are glad that God delivered you from it. Yes, I was up until almost 3 this morning watching it because I&#039;d dozed off in the middle of it when I first started watching, but awakened and started it over from the beginning. The worst of this is that the world thinks all this ungoldy mess is being done by Christians! Some of the comments generated by unsaved people, who are under the false impression that these people they are watching performing all kinds of circus antics are Christians, make me cringe. It gives a black eye to the body of Christ. While at the website I saw  other short videos, including one of a Black man, acting like he was a gospel preacher, but the man cursed continually,  using vile, multi-syllable, nasty words and taking the name of the Lord in vain while occasionally throwing in some disjointed Scripture. Of course, the unsaved viewers, as usual, posted a lot of negative comments, accusing these people they were watching on these videos of being the reason they don&#039;t like &quot;Christians.&quot; Who would&#039;ve thought it, all this that is giong on in the world, except we were warned of this by the written Word. And even so, I still am amazed at what I see and hear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good. I know you are glad that God delivered you from it. Yes, I was up until almost 3 this morning watching it because I&#8217;d dozed off in the middle of it when I first started watching, but awakened and started it over from the beginning. The worst of this is that the world thinks all this ungoldy mess is being done by Christians! Some of the comments generated by unsaved people, who are under the false impression that these people they are watching performing all kinds of circus antics are Christians, make me cringe. It gives a black eye to the body of Christ. While at the website I saw  other short videos, including one of a Black man, acting like he was a gospel preacher, but the man cursed continually,  using vile, multi-syllable, nasty words and taking the name of the Lord in vain while occasionally throwing in some disjointed Scripture. Of course, the unsaved viewers, as usual, posted a lot of negative comments, accusing these people they were watching on these videos of being the reason they don&#8217;t like &quot;Christians.&quot; Who would&#8217;ve thought it, all this that is giong on in the world, except we were warned of this by the written Word. And even so, I still am amazed at what I see and hear.</p>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/12/21/the_blind_dead_video/comment-page-1/#comment-7811</link>
		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 17:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;cite&gt;BagLady&lt;/cite&gt; said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I’ve seen most of those clips in watching various videos at various times, but to see a compilation of so many included within one video, with the appropriate Scriptures presented ahead of each clip made for a more coherent presentation.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;And that is why I desired folks to watch it in full.  We&#039;ve all seen several of those videos before, but things were well compiled with good scripture references to show why there is a problem.  So we see why it&#039;s really not a joke, but a serious, serious problem.

Thank you for the kinds words, I&#039;m just thankful God saw fit for me to get away from it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><cite>BagLady</cite> said:</p>
<blockquote><p>I’ve seen most of those clips in watching various videos at various times, but to see a compilation of so many included within one video, with the appropriate Scriptures presented ahead of each clip made for a more coherent presentation.
</p></blockquote>
<p>And that is why I desired folks to watch it in full.  We&#8217;ve all seen several of those videos before, but things were well compiled with good scripture references to show why there is a problem.  So we see why it&#8217;s really not a joke, but a serious, serious problem.</p>
<p>Thank you for the kinds words, I&#8217;m just thankful God saw fit for me to get away from it.</p>
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		<title>By: BagLady</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/12/21/the_blind_dead_video/comment-page-1/#comment-7807</link>
		<dc:creator>BagLady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 08:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen most of those clips in watching various videos at various times, but to see a compilation of so many included within one video, with the appropriate Scriptures presented ahead of each clip made for a more coherent presentation. I thank God for the wonderful light He has given me. It&#039;s a blessing to know the truth. Had I watched this video as a youngster, it would&#039;ve had me laughing, but because I have been blessed in having been under the teachings of sound biblical doctrine, it was both appalling [the deceit, the greed, the lies, fraud, etc.] as well as sad [so many souls being led astray by these selfish, ungodly men]. Thanks IC for all you do to keep us aware of the devil&#039;s desciples.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen most of those clips in watching various videos at various times, but to see a compilation of so many included within one video, with the appropriate Scriptures presented ahead of each clip made for a more coherent presentation. I thank God for the wonderful light He has given me. It&#8217;s a blessing to know the truth. Had I watched this video as a youngster, it would&#8217;ve had me laughing, but because I have been blessed in having been under the teachings of sound biblical doctrine, it was both appalling [the deceit, the greed, the lies, fraud, etc.] as well as sad [so many souls being led astray by these selfish, ungodly men]. Thanks IC for all you do to keep us aware of the devil&#8217;s desciples.</p>
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		<title>By: BagLady</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/12/21/the_blind_dead_video/comment-page-1/#comment-7806</link>
		<dc:creator>BagLady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an ungodly mess!</description>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/12/21/the_blind_dead_video/comment-page-1/#comment-7802</link>
		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 02:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ultimately for this one KJV has it correct.

The best interpretive tool, using scripture to interpret scripture shows it to be &quot;angels&quot;.  Seeing how &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=65&amp;chapter=2&amp;verse=7&amp;version=49&amp;context=verse&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hebrews 2:7&lt;/a&gt; is a direct reflection of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ps%208:5;&amp;version=49;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Psalm 8:5&lt;/a&gt; in speaking of Christ coming to earth in flesh.  The Greek term &lt;a href=&quot;http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G32&amp;Version=kjv&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;aggelos&lt;/a&gt; which is used often for angels or messengers is used in the book of Hebrews and can&#039;t be mistaken for the use of the term God.

I did a good bit of other research, just to have all bases covered and I did not mention it in my previous comment, but it should always be kept in mind that &lt;a href=&quot;http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H0430&amp;Version=kjv&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;‘elohiym&lt;/a&gt; best directly translates to English as &quot;mighty ones&quot;, but the issue is always knowing which &quot;mighty ones&quot; are spoken of.  The term is used to define everyone from governors with earthly authority, judges in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ex%2022:9;&amp;version=49;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Exodus 22:9&lt;/a&gt;, to God Himself in many other Hebrew scriptures including &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%201:1&amp;version=49&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Genesis 1:1&lt;/a&gt;.  God being triune, the fact &lt;a href=&quot;http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H0430&amp;Version=kjv&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;‘elohiym&lt;/a&gt; is a plural Hebrew term used throughout Hebrew scripture only supports the Trinity while not trying to make it appear there is more than one God.  Refer to a paper I&#039;ve cited here before titled &lt;a href=&quot;http://ariel.org/sbyjat.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jewishness and the Trinity&lt;/a&gt; by Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum for more about that.

It seems that NASB often mishandles the term &lt;a href=&quot;http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H0430&amp;Version=kjv&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;‘elohiym&lt;/a&gt; and loses the proper context of the term for a given statement in many cases.

I&#039;ve run into translation issue with every English version I&#039;ve used, KJV included, but scripture is always the best way to interpret scripture.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://youtube.com/watch?v=rTTa-ynWnrw&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here is a good video related to scripture interpreting scripture and how scripture is inerrant.&lt;/a&gt;

I will say though, that for proper usage of the term &lt;a href=&quot;http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H0430&amp;Version=kjv&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;‘elohiym&lt;/a&gt; in correct context it seems KJV handles that term best in every case I&#039;ve researched tonight and I&#039;ve been cross checking a lot of verses over various English translations.

Still &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&amp;chapter=82&amp;verse=6&amp;version=9&amp;context=verse&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Psalm 82:6&lt;/a&gt; across all translations will give the untrained fits and that&#039;s why we see the pimps claiming they are &lt;span style=&quot;font-style: italic&quot;&gt;&quot;little gods&quot;&lt;/span&gt; when they are not.  For &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&amp;chapter=82&amp;verse=6&amp;version=9&amp;context=verse&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Psalm 82:6&lt;/a&gt; in English, the use of the term &quot;mighty ones&quot; is far more fitting than &quot;gods&quot;, because the Hebrew did not reserve the term &lt;a href=&quot;http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H0430&amp;Version=kjv&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;‘elohiym&lt;/a&gt; to deity, but we reserve the word &quot;god&quot; to deity in English.

Anyway, this was some fun research &lt;cite&gt;art123&lt;/cite&gt; and thanks for citing that verse.  You were correct in that verse showing how man is lower than the angels, which we all &lt;span style=&quot;font-style: italic&quot;&gt;(I hope)&lt;/span&gt; already knew :) .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ultimately for this one KJV has it correct.</p>
<p>The best interpretive tool, using scripture to interpret scripture shows it to be &quot;angels&quot;.  Seeing how <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=65&amp;chapter=2&amp;verse=7&amp;version=49&amp;context=verse" rel="nofollow">Hebrews 2:7</a> is a direct reflection of <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ps%208:5;&amp;version=49;" rel="nofollow">Psalm 8:5</a> in speaking of Christ coming to earth in flesh.  The Greek term <a href="http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G32&amp;Version=kjv" rel="nofollow">aggelos</a> which is used often for angels or messengers is used in the book of Hebrews and can&#8217;t be mistaken for the use of the term God.</p>
<p>I did a good bit of other research, just to have all bases covered and I did not mention it in my previous comment, but it should always be kept in mind that <a href="http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H0430&amp;Version=kjv" rel="nofollow">‘elohiym</a> best directly translates to English as &quot;mighty ones&quot;, but the issue is always knowing which &quot;mighty ones&quot; are spoken of.  The term is used to define everyone from governors with earthly authority, judges in <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ex%2022:9;&amp;version=49;" rel="nofollow">Exodus 22:9</a>, to God Himself in many other Hebrew scriptures including <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%201:1&amp;version=49" rel="nofollow">Genesis 1:1</a>.  God being triune, the fact <a href="http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H0430&amp;Version=kjv" rel="nofollow">‘elohiym</a> is a plural Hebrew term used throughout Hebrew scripture only supports the Trinity while not trying to make it appear there is more than one God.  Refer to a paper I&#8217;ve cited here before titled <a href="http://ariel.org/sbyjat.htm" rel="nofollow">Jewishness and the Trinity</a> by Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum for more about that.</p>
<p>It seems that NASB often mishandles the term <a href="http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H0430&amp;Version=kjv" rel="nofollow">‘elohiym</a> and loses the proper context of the term for a given statement in many cases.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve run into translation issue with every English version I&#8217;ve used, KJV included, but scripture is always the best way to interpret scripture.  <a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=rTTa-ynWnrw" rel="nofollow">Here is a good video related to scripture interpreting scripture and how scripture is inerrant.</a></p>
<p>I will say though, that for proper usage of the term <a href="http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H0430&amp;Version=kjv" rel="nofollow">‘elohiym</a> in correct context it seems KJV handles that term best in every case I&#8217;ve researched tonight and I&#8217;ve been cross checking a lot of verses over various English translations.</p>
<p>Still <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&amp;chapter=82&amp;verse=6&amp;version=9&amp;context=verse" rel="nofollow">Psalm 82:6</a> across all translations will give the untrained fits and that&#8217;s why we see the pimps claiming they are <span style="font-style: italic">&quot;little gods&quot;</span> when they are not.  For <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&amp;chapter=82&amp;verse=6&amp;version=9&amp;context=verse" rel="nofollow">Psalm 82:6</a> in English, the use of the term &quot;mighty ones&quot; is far more fitting than &quot;gods&quot;, because the Hebrew did not reserve the term <a href="http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H0430&amp;Version=kjv" rel="nofollow">‘elohiym</a> to deity, but we reserve the word &quot;god&quot; to deity in English.</p>
<p>Anyway, this was some fun research <cite>art123</cite> and thanks for citing that verse.  You were correct in that verse showing how man is lower than the angels, which we all <span style="font-style: italic">(I hope)</span> already knew <img src='http://www.independentconservative.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  .</p>
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		<title>By: art123</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/12/21/the_blind_dead_video/comment-page-1/#comment-7801</link>
		<dc:creator>art123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 00:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that the KJV is more rock solid than all of these other translation bibles out there.</description>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/12/21/the_blind_dead_video/comment-page-1/#comment-7800</link>
		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Texe or Texx, we know who we&#039;re talking about :)

I beleive we have a translational issue with &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalms%208:4-5;&amp;version=49;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Psalms 8:4-5&lt;/a&gt;.  NASB says God, KJV says angels, &lt;a href=&quot;http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H0430&amp;Version=kjv&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the root Hebrew term is &#039;elohiym&lt;/a&gt;.  The English term used seems to vary depending on the translator.  Although even KJV often uses the term &quot;God&quot; for the term &lt;a href=&quot;http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H0430&amp;Version=kjv&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&#039;elohiym&lt;/a&gt;. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Texe or Texx, we know who we&#8217;re talking about <img src='http://www.independentconservative.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I beleive we have a translational issue with <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalms%208:4-5;&amp;version=49;" rel="nofollow">Psalms 8:4-5</a>.  NASB says God, KJV says angels, <a href="http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H0430&amp;Version=kjv" rel="nofollow">the root Hebrew term is &#8216;elohiym</a>.  The English term used seems to vary depending on the translator.  Although even KJV often uses the term &quot;God&quot; for the term <a href="http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H0430&amp;Version=kjv" rel="nofollow">&#8216;elohiym</a>. </p>
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		<title>By: art123</title>
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		<dc:creator>art123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IC, the scripture is in Psalms 8:4-5, and it states that man was made a little lower than them, but not much about angels.  Also I&#039;ve got the author&#039;s first name wrong.   It is spelled Texe Marrs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IC, the scripture is in Psalms 8:4-5, and it states that man was made a little lower than them, but not much about angels.  Also I&#8217;ve got the author&#8217;s first name wrong.   It is spelled Texe Marrs.</p>
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