December 20, 2007

Barack Hussein Obama and the Art of Looking Good! And Let’s Look at Hillary Clinton’s Donors.

by @ 3:03 pm. Filed under Nuts on Parade

The blog Politics, Policy, Pathology and Hope WITHIN The Black Community has a new post up about Obama, that says a lot about the man many view as Mr. Integrity.

And regard his main Democratic rival Hillary Clinton. Look at her top donors. One is EMILY’s List, a group that very much desires for women to be able to kill their own babies in the womb. Another big Hillary Clinton donor is News Corp, parent company of FoxNews and now also parent of the Wall Street Journal.

23 Responses to “Barack Hussein Obama and the Art of Looking Good! And Let’s Look at Hillary Clinton’s Donors.”

  1. art123 Says:

    Hillary Clinton has some powerful support and donors.  I wouldn’t be surprised if she wins this election.  Obama is too wishy washy to begin with.

  2. GaryV Says:

    I don’t know Art……….Hillary is going to mobilize millions who will vote for whoever is left that is NOT Hillary. Including me. If my candidate *wink wink IC* doesn’t make it (God forbid) and it comes down to Hillary vs. CarrotTop, I’m voting for the redhead.

  3. IndependentConservative Says:

    And if it comes down to Clinton or Obama vs Romney or Rudy vs CarrotTop, I’m voting for the redhead 😉 .

  4. art123 Says:

    I’ve once had a former co-worker tell me that a candidate can have all of the popularity votes, but if he or now is she do not have enough electorial votes, he/she can lose the Presidential election.  It was once explained to me that during the Gore/Bush Presidential election, Gore had votes that were not accounted for and his brother Jeb Bush is governor of Florida, if I have that right.  As a result, Bush took the election.  I know what you’re going to say IC.  If Bush won the election, it is because God willed it which who can argue that point.

  5. IndependentConservative Says:

    The Bush-Gore matter has been fully fleshed out.  Bush won and the only issues were in an area run by a Black female Democrat who decided on the most idiotic ballot known to man, the butterfly.  I never thought it was too idiotic a ballot before that incident, I’ve used it before in elections with no problem, but it’s about time it was phased out.  That election was not stolen.

    Now if you want to talk about stolen elections, look up JFK vs Nixon in 1960 and what happened in Chicago.  Also take note of Nixon’s response versus what we saw from Gore and company.

    The Electoral College is a good thing and I prefer it to mob rule.

  6. art123 Says:

    I’ve heard and read about the 1960 Nixon/Kennedy Presidential election and I’ve heard about the mob.  In that case, how many elections have the mob been involved in would be a question that registers in some peoples’s mind.  The unions, forget it for they have them at the palm of their hands.  All I can say is happy election time.

  7. Booker G Says:

    IC you are incorrect in your statement about the 2000 Presidential Election and the Florida recount. 
    First, the recount did not decide the election, the ultra-conservative Supreme Court, filled with Daddy Bush appointees, voted along party lines and gave the election to the worst President in the history of the free world, George W. Bush.  Daddy Bush’s court voted 7-2 that the Florida Supreme Court scheme for recounting the votes  was unconstitutional.  An additional 5-4 Supreme Court decision officially ended the Florida recount and allowed Florida to certify its vote. 

    In the aftermath of the election, independent recounts were conducted by The Miami Herald and USA Today, concluding that Bush would have won in all legally requested recount scenarios, and in all other scenarios except for "a fresh recount in all counties using the most generous standards,” which would have gone to Gore.
    Additionally, The Media Consortium hired the National Opinion Research Center to examine 175,010 ballots that were never counted in Florida.  The investigation took 8 months and cost $900,000. Their results showed that the winning candidate varied based on the method used to include or interpret ballots.  For cases where all of their examiners agreed, the nine different recount scenarios resulted in Bush prevailing four times, and Gore prevailing in the other five.

    For all of those that would like the truth I recommend the excellent documentary "Unprecedented".

  8. IndependentConservative Says:

    Booker G – It was unconstitutional for the matter to be presented to the US Supreme Court in the first place. It was a state issue and should have remained there. The US Supreme Court should never have accepted any of the cases in the first place. Florida decides their counting rules and their decision should have stood without wasting so much of our time and money.

    Former President George H. W. Bush only placed 2 justices on the US Supreme Court (David Souter and Clarence Thomas), while 9 voted. (Souter voted counter to Thomas in the 5-4 decision.) So I hardly consider the 2000 US Supreme Court a making of former President George H. W. Bush. On top of the fact the 2 George H. W. Bush appointees had opposing votes!

    As you’ve noted yourself, independent recounts proved Bush to have won Florida. This nation does not have 8 months and varied schemes of counting to wait on for an outcome. There was a set of rules used and Bush won. Matter a fact, I voted for him myself the 2nd time he ran 😉 .

    If you desire to rip the Presidency from George W. Bush, I hope you’ll do the same with the legacy of JFK.

    1 year left and some folks STILL don’t know how to get over the past 🙄 .

  9. Booker G Says:

    IC:  Are you saying that it was unconsitutional that the Supreme Court decided on the matter of illegal activity in Florida?  That is the reason why we have the court system.  It is suppose to be impartial and make judgement without prejudice to personal interest and religious and/or political beliefs.  That’s why "Lady Justice" is depicted holding the scales of Justice with a blindfold on.  IC –  Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder could see that not only the decision of the local Florida courts, but the national court was decided along politicial (read Ultra Conservative) lines.

    Let me correct my statement, Daddy Bush slanted the court to the republicans by adding Souter and Thomas.  Nixon and Ford laid the foundation by appointing the others which has developed into the most conservative court this side of the millenium.  This court is more conservative that the court that validated the Dred Scott decision.
    I cited the independent recounts as proof that if a impartial recount was truly done, the possibility of Gore winning would have been greater and that is what the State of Florida and eventually Supreme Court wanted to prevent.  IC this is why the Florida Court blocked the recount (the alley-op pass) and the Supreme Court came and supported this non-sense (the slam dunk). 

    The fact that you voted for Bush a second time shows that you believe in the violation of human rights via torture, murder and waterboarding in Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraid.  You believe in a president that liedl to justify a war based on reports of WMD’s which has been proven to be a outright LIE.  It means that you support a president who is a shell for big business interest and fabricated a war to reward the cronies of his father (Haliburton, Caryle Group, etc.). 

    Please don’t mention that he is God’s President.  You judge a man by his actions, not by his outer appearance.  George W. Bush’s actions as President are anything but God-like and in fact stains the name of our holy God!
    These past 7 years has set mankind back almost a century.  We are a world that is religiously intolerant and morally bankrupt!

  10. KyleAndrews Says:

    Booker G,

    Al Gore wanted only a partial recount in districts that slanted heavily democratic.  Also, Mr Gore wasn’t too thrilled about having the military vote counted as seeing that it goes 90-10 Republican.  Bush would have agreed to a STATE WIDE RECOUNT but Al Gore was not hearing that.  It was unconstitutional to count "certain" districts and not the whole state. 



  11. KyleAndrews Says:

    Booker G,

    You also said:

    Please don’t mention that he is God’s President.  You judge a man by his actions, not by his outer appearance.  George W. Bush’s actions as President are anything but God-like and in fact stains the name of our holy God!

    I’m no fan of GW but come on now.  You really think Al Gore is the paradigm of godliness?  You really think a pro-homosexual pro-choice President like Al Gore would have been Christ like?  Please!


  12. Booker G Says:

    Kyle:  I am in no way supporting Al Gore.  Al Gore and the Democratic Party have blown two straight elections against a person that is so obvioulsy flawed.  Is Al Gore the paradigm of holiness?  In comparison to coke snorting, draft dodging, alcoholic GW Bush, Al Gore is the second coming of Christ!!! LOL 

    When you look at GW’s record as president it is rife with lies (Ahganistan, Iraq and Iran) and intolerance.

  13. IndependentConservative Says:

    Booker G,

    Read Amendmant XII and XX of the US Constitution please.  Keep in mind, the "votes" they are speaking of are of state electors, not your own.  Each state determines their voting and tabulation methods.  It was a state issue already decided by that state’s Supreme Court and they had the final say.  I think KyleAndrews has addressed some other points well regarding the matter.  It was unconstitutional for the US Supreme Court to touch the case.  More of a shame that 4 justices voted to try and interfere.

    You’re talking about these "Ultra Conservative" decisions, however as I’ve already said to you, a George H. W. Bush appointee voted to interfere, breaking your assertion that the former President Bush somehow rigged the outcome.  You’re acting like "Conservatives" did wrong, when the fact is that it was wrong for the US Supreme Court to put it’s hands on the matter at all.

    I have no problem with water boarding if our government approves of it.  It has already helped to thwart some terrorist attacks.  I also approve of our servicemen shooting a detainee in the kneecap if they need information in a timely manner.  In my opinion, terrorists are best tried and hung, not left in Guantanamo Bay.  I say this softy Supreme Court has given them far too much.  I’ve got no problem with Bush doing what even Al Gore was pressing for.

    You spoke of Bush and God.  My friend, God wanted Bush in power, believe it or not.
    Romans 13:1-6 (New American Standard Bible)

     1 Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God.

     2 Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.

     3 For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same;

     4 for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil.

     5 Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience’ sake.

     6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for rulers are servants of God, devoting themselves to this very thing.

    Notice, that was written to saints in ROME.  Now do you not feel Rome had torture, wars of aggression and so on?  You see, I’m not worried about what Bush has done.  It was God who by his own divine ordination placed President George W. Bush in power and His own divine plan that prevents you from removing him unless and until God decides otherwise, for the fulfillment of His plan.  So I’m not worried one bit, just holding to Christ without regret.

  14. Booker G Says:

    Both candidates requested various county-by-county recounts. Neither candidate had formally requested a total statewide recount.  In the National Opinion Research Center review of the election results, if a statewide recount had been conducted, Gore would have won. (

  15. IndependentConservative Says:

    Now Booker G, although God did put Bush in power, no matter how much you dislike it.  I’m not trying to claim Bush is a Christian.  In fact, I’ve written a little something you should share with anyone who believes George W. Bush is a Christian.

    And regarding Gore, just hang out in the junk science section for a while.

  16. IndependentConservative Says:

    In the National Opinion Research Center review of the election results, if a statewide recount had been conducted, Gore would have won.

    In the state of Florida’s certified count, Bush won.  That’s what counts.

    Hope you rip JFK’s legacy from him to be consistent.

  17. KyleAndrews Says:


    Did you mention the particulars regarding JFK VS NIXON.  Booker G may not know just how close that race was.  I forgot what state Nixon could have recounted.  Now regarding the cke snorting and draft dodging thing about Bush let us not forget Clinton didn’t go into the military AT ALL.  Bush actually flew "real" planes in the National Gaurd.  And come to think of it Clinton was not exactly squeeky clean regarding drug use.  The one thing everyone forgets is that these are all flawed men.


  18. KyleAndrews Says:

    This year I’m voting for Hanging Chad.

    Hanging Chad for President.


  19. KyleAndrews Says:

    I want to get back to the topic at hand regarding Obama.  Obama has a 100% abortion support rating.  He also recently put a openly gay minister on his team.  Is there anything MORE anti – Christian than this?  Please answer this one Booker G.  Obamas charisma and good looks can only get him so far.  Peel back the onion on this guy and you will see a flaming lib.


  20. Booker G Says:

    IC:  You are a tough man!!!
    Since you are citing amendments and stuff, let’s look at the actual case that decided the 2000 Presidential Election, Bush v. Gore
    Facts of the Case
    Following the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision in Bush v. Palm Beach County Canvassing Board, and concurrent with Vice President Al Gore’s contest of the certification of Florida presidential election results, on December 8, 2000 the Florida Supreme Court ordered that the Circuit Court in Leon County tabulate by hand 9000 contested ballots from Miami-Dade County. It also ordered that every county in Florida must immediately begin manually recounting all "under-votes" (ballots which did not indicate a vote for president) because there were enough contested ballots to place the outcome of the election in doubt. Governor George Bush and his running mate, Richard Cheney, filed a request for review in the U.S. Supreme Court and sought an emergency petition for a stay of the Florida Supreme Court’s decision (my bold and underline). The U.S. Supreme Court granted review and issued the stay on December 9. It heard oral argument two days later.
    QuestionDid the Florida Supreme Court violate Article II Section 1 Clause 2 of the U.S. Constitution by making new election law? Do standardless manual recounts violate the Equal Protection and Due Process Clauses of the Constitution?
    ConclusionNoting that the Equal Protection clause guarantees individuals that their ballots cannot be devalued by "later arbitrary and disparate treatment," the per curiam opinion held 7-2 that the Florida Supreme Court’s scheme for recounting ballots was unconstitutional. Even if the recount was fair in theory, it was unfair in practice. The record suggested that different standards were applied from ballot to ballot, precinct to precinct, and county to county. Because of those and other procedural difficulties, the court held that no constitutional recount could be fashioned in the time remaining (which was short because the Florida legislature wanted to take advantage of the "safe harbor" provided by 3 USC Section 5). Loathe to make broad precedents, the per curiam opinion limited its holding to the present case.

    Rehnquist (in a concurring opinion joined by Scalia and Thomas) argued that the recount scheme was also unconstitutional because the Florida Supreme Court’s decision made new election law, which only the state legislature may do.

    Breyer and Souter (writing separately) agreed with the per curiam holding that the Florida Court’s recount scheme violated the Equal Protection Clause, but they dissented with respect to the remedy, believing that a constitutional recount could be fashioned. Time is insubstantial when constitutional rights are at stake.

    Ginsburg and Stevens (writing separately) argued that for reasons of federalism, the Florida Supreme Court’s decision ought to be respected. Moreover, the Florida decision was fundamentally right; the Constitution requires that every vote be counted.

    IC:  William Rehnquist (Nixon appointee), Antonin Scalia, Sandra Day O’Connor, Anthony Kennedy (Reagan appointees) and Clarence Thomas (GHW Bush appointee) decided in the majority.

    The following justices voted with the minority: JP Stevens (Ford appointee), Ruth Ginsburg, Stephen Beyer (Clinton appointees) and David Souter (GHW Bush appointee).

    IC this supports my earlier statement that this decision was decided along party lines. W and Cheney benefitted from having a court that was appointed by the previous conservative administrations of Nixon, Reagan and Daddy Bush.  This is the reason why GW BUSH and DICK CHENEY WANTED THE CASE TO GO TO THE SUPREME COURT!!!!IC you can not continue to deny this fact!!!

    As far as your other assertion via scripture about this being God’s will for W to be president is very subjective.  What you have done with the scriptures is something that your boy Fast Eddie Long and his cronies (TD Fakes, Creflo, Paula White, etc.) do in pulpits across this country every Sunday.  Manipulate the scriptures to serve your personal theology.  So are you saying God supports torture?  God supports bigatry and intolerance?  God supports the violation of human rights? 

    This administration told us that Iraq had WMD’s.  This administration told us that Iran had a actively nuclear arms program.  This administration told us that Saddam Hussien was behind the 9-11 attacks, but it has been proven that the 9-11 hijackers were all Saudi nationals.  How come the US has not invaded Saudi Arabia?  Why because W’s daddy and his VP are benefitting from billion dollar contracts to redevelop a area that this administration has worked hard to destabilize. 

  21. Booker G Says:

    Kyle and IC:

    JFK and Clinton were both morally corrupt men, just like Nixon, Reagan, GHW Bush and W.  In my opinion both W and Clinton avoided the draft.  Just because W flew several planes and Clinton ran off to Oxford means absolutely nothing.

    I am not a fan of Clinton and I cringe when I hear people refer to Clinton as the first black president.  I don’t want a man of his moral character aligned with being the best representation of my race, heritage and culture.  The last time I checked William Clinton is white and he will remain white for the rest of his life.

    Kennedy was a product of his father’s political machine (similiar to Daddy Bush).  Daddy Kennedy, a bootlegger, built his empire illegally and brought his son the presidency, just like Daddy Bush did for W.
    If we accurately look at history, the most spiritual grounded and God fearing president that this country (in my lifetime) was probably Jimmy Carter.  This is a man whose actions mirrowed his spiritual beliefs.
    I have not decided about Barack yet, but I feel that he is the most viable African American candidate that this country will see in a long time.

  22. IndependentConservative Says:

    KyleAndrews, in that Nixon vs JFK race in 1960 it was IL that pivoted the race and a few votes with a mafia fix were all it took for old JFK to become America’s darling.  But Nixon felt it would best not to drag the nation into a squabble about votes and simple conceded to JFK.  Of course Gore was ready to concede to Bush…till Jesse Jackson called.  Yes, this whole mess our friend Booker G and others proclaim was one of Jesse Jackson’s many games.

    And when we speak of character, lets not forget Bill Clinton has been accused of rape (probably did it and we know Hillary covered) and we know what Clinton was doing in the Oval Office with a woman other than his wife!

    Jimmy Carter, oh please!  The wire tap hypocrite and defender of bogus elections, while you cry about Bush.

    Booker G, let’s put it like this, I don’t agree with you.

    I think Kyle is correct, we need to get back on topic.  There will be no more comments about the 1960 or 2000 Presidential race in this thread.  Any future comment made about those matters in this thread or another that is not appropriate for the post topic will be deleted.

  23. IndependentConservative Says:

    Scripture regarding Romans 13 though, we will continue to discuss.

    Given I was accused of by Booker G:

    Manipulate the scriptures to serve your personal theology.

    No sir, it is YOU who are manipulating scripture by claiming it was not God’s plan that wills Bush into power.

    I say:

    For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God.

    You feel when YOU disagree that God didn’t put the person there, I say He did even when we disagree and you’ve got no scripture to say otherwise.   God put Bush in, took Saddam out, has Kim Jung Il in place and so on.  You disagree?  You show the scripture that says God does NOT put who is in power in their position of earthly authority.

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