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December 19, 2007

Ron Paul Flops on Question About Homosexuality.

by @ 10:33 pm. Filed under Nuts on Parade

Well I was kind of on the fence with Ron Paul. Not saying much about him. Thinking if he by some odd circumstance were to make it to the final ballot for President, that there might be some chance I’d vote for him. No more, he’s on my NOT VOTING FOR HIM list after hearing this!

 

Ron Paul on Homosexuality

Yea, like I was saying, Duncan Hunter for President.Watch below as Hunter offers a firm response and Mitt Romney waffles.

 

Duncan Hunter Says No to Gays in the Military

I figured Hunter would have done something to turn me off by now, but not yet!



36 Responses to “Ron Paul Flops on Question About Homosexuality.”

  1. Caleb Phillips Says:

    I’m surprised that the LDS cult dosen’t rebuke Romney for saying that he looked forward to when open homosexuals can serve in the military. I’m of course against it for 3 main reasons:
    1st of all, it’s something that the Bible clearly defines in black & white as a sin. I would also have no problem with banning those who are having immoral heterosexual relationships (again for Biblical morality & an issue I’ll adress in reason # 3)
    2ndly, I myself would feel rather uncomfortable, sharing the same room with an openly gay man. I’m not trying to be crude, insensitive, or demean those who are serving our country, but I’m perfectly aware that there have been cases of homosexual rape in prisons & I’m kind of thinking in the back of my mind, that what’s to stop it from coming into the military?
    3rdly, it’s just downright unproffessional! By allowing openly homosexuals into the military, in my opinion, it lowers & demeans the military’s standards of proffessionalism.

  2. art123 Says:

    Why does Ron Paul have a problem with women in the army but a homosexual, he doesn’t want to judge.  I believe that it is possible that those who support gays in the army, nine times out of ten, they’re practising homosexuals or someone close to them are.  Either way, it doesn’t make it ok.

  3. SDM Says:

    Ron Paul  must really want to be the president of the United States, so he will  do/say what he must to survive another day in the fields.  I find his answer  pretty comical, though.  Yes Art 123, I have noticed that  there are numerous closeted Replublicans in the country, who publically villify the average gay citizens in America. Can you spell hypocrite and strange at the same time? Mr. Paul,  What does the Bible say?

  4. IndependentConservative Says:

    For anyone wondering, Ron Paul says he is a Christian (Baptist).  So it’s totally legitimate to have put him on the spot with those questions from a biblical perspective.

  5. Gxg--G2 Says:

    Honestly, I’m a bit torn on the issue. The reason why is because is that there does seem to be a bit of a double standard on issues. For example, in listening to Duncan Hunter & his statements on those dealing with homosexuality, I didn’t agree 100% because I was curious as to what to make of those in the army who did not have Christian values yet still served in war time (i.e. atheist, different religious beliefs, etc).

    You didn’t have to agree with them in order to fight a common enemy/use a gun…..and in the event that you’re working together, you could still speak out against their behavior. But there was still respect involved.

    Perhaps I’m not coming off the wrong way…..

  6. IndependentConservative Says:

    A heterosexual atheist is not going to try and look at me in the shower.  I won’t feel uncomfortable being alone overnight in a foxhole with a heterosexual atheist.

  7. IndependentConservative Says:

    Not that I agree with Mr. Price using a bat, but such incidents don’t seem to occur when homosexuals are not able to be in areas where heterosexuals take showers. Mr. Love is a homosexual, who just happened to look into Mr. Price’s shower and Mr. Price knew Mr. Love’s sexual orientation. Mr. Love claims it was all a misunderstanding, but these kinds of misunderstandings don’t seem to occur when homosexuals are not in the men’s shower area. We don’t need this kind of confusion in our military and we certainly don’t want to give gays a separate shower area… Can you say Roman bath house 😯 !

  8. Gxg--G2 Says:

    Brah….(by the way, I’m still wondering how to get those dang smilies on my writings since the tool box doesn’t seem to show it anywhere)

  9. IndependentConservative Says:

    I had to pull the smiles toolbox because it was taking much bandwidth, but you can do smiles by hand.  Although they don’t always come out as expected with this new comment box.  It seems after the latest upgrade of the comment box the smiles show up more often as expected though.

  10. Gxg--G2 Says:

    😉 winks
    🙂 grins
    🙁 frowns, and
    😕 confusion

  11. Gxg--G2 Says:

    AHHHHH HA HAH HA Ha!!!!!

  12. IndependentConservative Says:

    OK, you can finish your practicing on your blog 😉 .  All of it works on yours, mine, Job’s and Melvin’s also.

  13. art123 Says:

    IC, I can say Y.M.C.A. or should I sing it?

  14. DL Foster Says:

    Interesting… a friend and I were talking and I was telling him my objections to the current slate of presidential contenders. He quickly suggested Ron Paul as a solid alternative.

    After hearing this, I’ll add him to my no go list. His waffling remarks dont even make good logical sense, let alone spiritual.

    These people are so deathly afraid of the gay political movement. They fear offending gays much more than they fear offending blacks or anybody else for that matter.  Do you even  deserve to be president if you dont have any personal conviction?

    Thats why I am boycotting the election. There is NO ONE worth my vote. I did the same thing during the Clinton-Dole race.

  15. healtheland Says:

    IC:

    Ah, of only Duncan Hunter was against the IMF, WTO, and the Federal Reserve. Oh well. This might be the thing that ends my political advocacy for good. It is one thing to take an essentially libertarian view on gay marriage as Paul has done in the past. It is another thing to, as a Christian, refuse to acknowledge that the Bible condemns homosexuality, and also to claim that medical science legitimizes homosexuality in some way. First of all, it is a lie. No gay gene has been found and it never will be. Second, even there were a genetic or environmental predisposition to homosexuality it would be our responsibility to resist it just like any other sin. Third, it is particularly galling that he pulls this stunt right after bashing Mike Huckabee for claiming that he is the only Christian in the race. 1) Huckabee never said such a thing and 2) even if he had it seems that it would apply to YOU, Bible denier! This is not a defense of Hagee/Copeland/Warren hugging Huckabee, by the way, just showing how unprincipled Ron Paul is for going after Huckabee when he himself won’t admit that the Bible calls homosexuality sin.

    I hate to do it, but I gotta renounce my support for Ron Paul on Jesus Christology. I also will have to deal with those who will challenge my blackness for being willing to dump Ron Paul over homosexuality but not racism. Oh well. A Christian brother’s gotta do what a Christian brother gotta do.

  16. art123 Says:

    As I clicked the link to Ron Paul says he is a Christian (Baptist), he appears to have an interesting background.  It may be possible that he professed to be a Christian before I was born.  To flip flop on gay issues for the sake of the presidency, wow! I don’t know what else to say.  He should know better.

  17. Gxg--G2 Says:

    Thats why I am boycotting the election. There is NO ONE worth my vote. I did the same thing during the Clinton-Dole race.

    This may be a bit off tthe topic, but in the event that one should realize that perhaps no presidential cannidate is worth voting for or that voting for one would violate Biblical Principles/Morality, would it be permissible to qualify that for grounds for not voting…..or civil disobediance /:|

  18. Gxg--G2 Says:

    Pray everyone understands where I’m trying to come from

    Granted, I understand what God s Word says about those who are in authority:

    “Fear the Lord and honour the king. Have nothing to do with those who rebel against them.”

    Proverbs 24:21

    “Those who forsake the Law praise the wicked, but such as keep the law contend with them. Evil men do not understand justice, but those who seek the Lord understand all.”

     Proverbs 28:4 – 5

    “One who turns away his ear from hearing the Law, even his prayer is an abomination.” Proverbs 28:9

        In my understanding, I realize that the civil authorities we see in politics have not gone noticed by the Lord, and in fact have been  delegated by God. As Jesus once said to Pilate:

    “You could have no power at all against Me unless it had been given you from above. Therefore, the one who delivered Me to you has the greater sin.”

    John 19:11

    Moreover, as  Paul wrote:

    “Remind them to be subject to rulers and authorities, to obey, to be ready for every good work.”

    Titus 3:1

    “Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. Therefore, whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. Therefore, you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake.”

     Romans 13:1 – 5

    Interesting enough that these were written by the INSPIRATION/Spirit of God God when the evil government (Nero), was  persecuting the Church….so I’m guessing that if they were told to submit back then, then even when the cannidates seem to be compromising on all points, we’re bound to still vote since that’s a law of the land.

  19. IndependentConservative Says:

    healtheland said:

    No gay gene has been found and it never will be. Second, even there were a genetic or environmental predisposition to homosexuality it would be our responsibility to resist it just like any other sin.

    Brother, I don’t know if you’ll believe me when I say this, but I was a little sorry for your sake that I had to make this post at all.  (As I said, I was considering him myself before finding this.)  But I figured you’d want the whole truth like everyone else.  You’re correct in your statements about the elusive gay gene.  If any such gene were found, it should not be viewed any differently than genetic markers that indicate a man has a high sex drive or predisposition to alcoholism and/or drug abuse.  In any case, we are commanded to live holy.  No matter the gene sequence our bodies (we who are saved) are the temple of the Holy Spirit.  So no homosexuality.  Many married men feel they are drawn to sleep with other women and it’s just "in them" a feeling they don’t feel they can "resist".  That is not of God, but the flesh, just like any desires for homosexual activity, it shows the depravity of man.  I suspect the apostle Paul was hit with some sort of nonsense like "born that way" in all the philosophy he encountered and had to stand firmly against it.

    Gxg, not voting is not civil disobedience, there is no civil command to vote.  While I like for brothers and sisters to have a candidate that expresses their views, I respect if they don’t.

    I will say to those who plan on not voting, consider simply skipping the Presidential race on the ballot and voting on other matters that impact your community.  That’s usually what I do when I’m dissatisfied with a particular race.  None of you said there is "nothing" on the ballot at all you’d consider, just the Presidential race.  That’s just one question of many on the ballot.

  20. IndependentConservative Says:

    Gxg, it’s the law of the land that women can walk around showing cleavage, that does not mean someone must do it.  Voting is optional.  Paying taxes is mandatory as scripture says.  A saint should not do anything to  BREAK a law of man, so long as they don’t violate the Lord’s commands.  Nobody is required to vote, because not voting is not a violation of the law.  Just like I don’t have to give $2-3 to that Presidential campaign fund when I file my taxes, although the option is on the form, it’s nothing more than an option.

    I once shared your view Gxg, but you’re going to have to realize there is nothing in scripture that commands a saint to vote.  Plenty of good citizens pay their taxes on time, help neighbors and never vote.  God’s plan is not one we can sway via a voting booth, we just leverage it when it benefits us.  If a saint does not see anything to vote for in their walk with Christ, you can’t burden them to do something they feel offends them.

    I’m sure healtheland could give a long dissertation on how early Christians were very dissociated from government activities before folks like us came along.

  21. Gxg--G2 Says:

    Well, to clarify, where I’m coming is the aspect that I think many times we may get into more of a fuss about voting/presidential cannidates than may be necessary.

    Don’t get me wrong, for I have been studying & I do realize there are many convincing arguments as to why Christians should not care to vote:

    http://www.thercg.org/books/scv.html

    http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=2324
    http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=638
    http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=1130#

    For example,  God raised up Pharaoh (Romans 9:17); Cyrus (Isaiah 44:28; Isaiah 45:1-4) and Nebuchadnezzar (Daniel 3:37-38)….and even though these men did not WHOLEHEARTEDLY serve the Lord/did many idolatrous things (just as many politicans like Huckabee, Rommey, and other do today), God still used them for his purposes.

    So, is the same possible for today with the cannidates available?? And if so, should we really trip about their moral stances on things (i.e. Rommey being a Mormon, Huckabee being with Copeland/Warren, etc)?

    As it was with people like Daniel or Joseph, we as Christians are called to serve God best we can within the framework of any government we’re placed under. People like Joseph advanced into the role of prime minister for Egypt & yet he never compromised his faith/was used in the preservation of the Hebrews from famine. The same happened with Daniel, who made known God’s power/RULE of THE KINGDOMS OF Nebuchadnezzar, Belchazzar and Darius, rising to the highest levels of government.

    “The Most High rules in the kingdoms of men, gives it to whomever He will, and sets over it the lowest of men.”

    Daniel 4:17

    If God was faithful then, then is it possible that the same could happen with those who may not be in agreement with the political cannidates, but who still choose to work under them and perhaps influence them for the Lord?

    In the case that the state forbids obedience to God, only then can we do say “We ought to obey God rather than men.” Acts 5:29. ….or in cases when the government makes laws hindering fellowship with/ prayer to God (Daniel 6:6-13), evangelism (Acts 5:40-42), or commanding us to worship idols (Daniel 3:12-18),….only in those situations can we say,

    “Whether it is right in the sight of God to listen to you more than to God, you judge.” Acts 4:19…….but minus issues ofworship/spreading the good news, we’re still called to this:

    1 Timothy 2

    “Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake, whether to the king as supreme, or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.” 1 Peter 2:13-14 __________________

    If the vote is paramount to how this country is run, then why choose to ignore it?This is a bit more of a struggle for me seeing how easy it is to want to speak about the politcal issues affecting our nation & yet we don’t get involved in decisions that could leverage things.

    If the President comes to power to make a decision about how the military should be run & I wish to go against that/denounce that, that’d be hyprocitical seeing that I didn’t eeven take time to do anything to prevent his coming to power. And if there has been repeated emphasis on the fact that many decisions affecting our country are affected by the vote (which for Blacks was not something we always had the privelage to do and others fought hard for), why should we pass it up? But that’s just me…..

  22. IndependentConservative Says:

    I also want to mention.  "Being a good citizen" is a phrase that goes from being scriptural to nothing more than patriotism when one is told they MUST do things that are OPTIONAL for citizens in order to BE a good citizen.  For example, I could say a "good citizen" must have an American flag waving outside their home, set to half staff when appropriate and taken down when appropriate, all following the rules for flag maintenance.  Which would mean Christians would have to sit around worrying how they managed a flag.  That is not Christianity, but patriotism.  It is the same with voting.  I can choose to be involved with the process of which individuals might be involved in government if I desire.  If I MUST vote, than it would only be logical that I MUST attend every local government meeting that is open to the public and I MUST be in attendance whenever my local congressperson comes to town for a Town Hall meeting that they send an invite to.  No matter that attending the Town Hall is OPTIONAL, if I MUST vote for them than to be a good citizen I would have to attend every meeting the request my attendance at, even when my attendance is OPTIONAL.

    Being a good citizen should not be extended to what is really nothing more than a definition of patriotism.  The term "good citizen" by man’s standard is not the measure for God’s standard regarding earthly citizenship.  The government of man is a rule that will soon pass.  Involvement is optional, not mandatory.

    Hebrews 11:13-16 (New American Standard Bible)

     13 All these died in faith, without receiving the promises, but having seen them and having welcomed them from a distance, and having confessed that they were strangers and exiles on the earth.

     14 For those who say such things make it clear that they are seeking a country of their own.

     15 And indeed if they had been thinking of that country from which they went out, they would have had opportunity to return.

     16 But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God; for He has prepared a city for them.

    Involvement in the affairs of the cities of this life are optional by our government and therefore optional for saints.  If voting were mandatory and it was against the law to not vote, that would be a different story.  No saint even needs to register to vote if they don’t desire.  Nobody owes those who died for the privilege to vote if they choose not to be involved.  Just as a church organization does not have to register to be a 501c-3 if they choose not to register, it’s optional.

    Gxg, I’ve got a couple posts I want you to check out:

    Keeping “the world” in Proper Perspective.

    Regarding the link above, I’m not as "big" on that brother as I once was, but his video there was sound.

    Patriotic Ecumenicalism Versus Christianity

  23. IndependentConservative Says:

    And Gxg, every government official was placed by God, all of them, Romans 13:1.

    Someone can feel all election options are no good, not vote and still feel the people that get into power made an unwise decision. That is not hypocrisy.

    If you wish to vote, fine, but it is not a burden you can press on anyone else who does not desire to do it. Allow each to do as the Lord leads them, because you have to stretch verses long and hard to claim anyone has to vote.

    You’re over focusing on the affairs of man!

  24. IndependentConservative Says:

    And before you claim someone has to vote to open a door for ministry, recognize who opens the doors, Revelation 3:8.

    Allow each to decide as the Lord (not you) leads them to do, because we have NOTHING in scripture to mandate voting.  Nothing in Heaven from scripture and nothing under Heaven in the laws of man requires an American citizen to vote.

    We who do it have made our choice to do so, we’ll do it as unto the Lord and should not attempt make others feel they sin or are in any way disobedient if they don’t vote.

  25. art123 Says:

    Does any of you out there believe that elections can be rigged?

  26. IndependentConservative Says:

    Can anything be rigged is a better question 🙂 .

    If it’s rigged and the person is still allowed to assume power, God ordained that person to rule, regardless of how they obtained their power.  If they are respected as the king/governor or whatever, they have rule as allowed by God and so they are to be respected.

    How many governments have been established by worse than even rigged voting, a military coup?  Several, but who rules is allowed that power by God and has to be respected while they have that authority.  It does not mean that another government might not topple another, but we saints respect those who rule the nation we live in, regardless of how they got there.

  27. Gxg--G2 Says:

    we saints respect those who rule the nation we live in, regardless of how they got there.

    Don”t forget prayer being part of that respect as well, Brah.

    1 Timothy 2

    Instructions on Worship
    1
    I urge, then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone— 2for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. 3This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6who gave himself as a ransom for all men—the testimony given in its proper time. 7And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle—I am telling the truth, I am not lying—and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles. 8I want men everywhere to lift up holy hands in prayer, without anger or disputing.

    The way things are looking politically right now, I’m realizing more & more that the saints (me included) need more time spent lifting up those in office as opposed to trippin’n on who gets in office/how they got in office.

  28. Gxg--G2 Says:

    By the way, Brah, to clarify:

    If you wish to vote, fine, but it is not a burden you can press on anyone else who does not desire to do it. Allow each to do as the Lord leads them, because you have to stretch verses long and hard to claim anyone has to vote.
    Allow each to decide as the Lord (not you) leads them to do, because we have NOTHING in scripture to mandate voting.  Nothing in Heaven from scripture and nothing under Heaven in the laws of man requires an American citizen to vote.We who do it have made our choice to do so, we’ll do it as unto the Lord and should not attempt make others feel they sin or are in any way disobedient if they don’t vote.
     

    Had to set the record straight that I was not intending to make anyone not deciding to vote feel guilty or that they were in sin. The comments were moreso me expressing PERSONAL decisions I WAS WRESTLING WITH (In light of what Brother DL Foster said & how I’ve often thought the same but have never done anything)…and wanting feedback on whether or not I was seeing things properly from Scripture
    Though I’m all for folks wanting to "rock the vote", I’m not dogmatic about it.. ….& if folks don’t want to, cool….Romans 14 will do.

  29. Gxg--G2 Says:

    Thanks though for sharing your thoughts on the voting issue. They were helpful (as well as the links). T

    he way voting is highlighted in the country, it can easily come across as if it’s something WE’RE REQUIRED by Governement to do nowadays or else you’re not a true patriot….and that’s unfair when it seems that people are feeling pressure to vote but are given BAD CANNIDATES & forced to feel as if they have to choose the "lesser of two evils" to make an impact.

    Of paticular interest is what you said here:

    I will say to those who plan on not voting, consider simply skipping the Presidential race on the ballot and voting on other matters that impact your community.  That’s usually what I do when I’m dissatisfied with a particular race.  None of you said there is "nothing" on the ballot at all you’d consider, just the Presidential race.  That’s just one question of many on the ballot

    This should be brought up more. On the last presidential election, it was a trip how much energy was spent on researchng & voting for Bush/Kerry, yet little to none was given on the other cannidates involved in other offices of government. When I saw the Ballot, I voted for the U.S Constitution Party cannidate…..yet LITERALLY DID RANDOM SELECTION ON EVERYTHING ELSE THAT.

  30. IndependentConservative Says:

    yet LITERALLY DID RANDOM SELECTION ON EVERYTHING ELSE THAT.

    You could vote for someone who might do you harm without knowing.  Best to vote for who you endorse and leave the rest to people who might have done more research into those other choices.  The ballots also often contain various questions of interest.

  31. Gxg--G2 Says:

    Ditto on the thoughts, Brah (was going to mention that earlier)

      By the way, it may be good if it were clarified as to what you mean by "respect" when you say this:

    If they are respected as the king/governor or whatever, they have rule as allowed by God and so they are to be respected.

    Some may not realize at first glance what the ramifications of that phrase involve.  Does that mean you can have ill-will toward them, speak out against them, call them names, etc?

    By the way,

    😉 winks
    🙂 grins

    ROCK THE VOTE!!!!

  32. IndependentConservative Says:

    No, I’m just saying if they hold the position you respect them for the position of authority they hold.  When I said "if they are respected as…" I just mean if they are the leader, you respect them as such.  If they are the President, you respect them as such, no matter how many people say it was rigged or desire impeachment.  Till the day they are not President, respect them as President. Like with Castro, if I were in Cuba after he ran his military coup, I’d have to respect him as the leader of Cuba.  I might be trying to sneak out, but I’d have to respect him as the leader of Cuba 😆 .

    That whole "rock the vote" phrase, you do realize that bunch was started by Leftists that work with groups like the reprobate MTV, hire trash monsters like Puff Daddy (or whatever name he uses now) and such.  Not the best bunch to associate yourself with 😉 .

  33. Gxg--G2 Says:

    More specifically, I ask that because it seems that there’s the danger that many seem to be falling into in regards to these presidential elections….in that many are calling people out on things & yet there seems to often be no true humility in their actions or concern for the welfare of these men.

      

    Titus 3:1-3 Doing What is Good  1Remind the people to be subject to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready to do whatever is good, 2to slander no one, to be peaceable and considerate, and to show true humility toward all men.

    In my understanding, Paul admonished us to be friendly/peaceful toward the lost rather than  belligerent/quarrelsome (which in our godless world, is all too easy  to condemn those aiding the destruction of our society).

     Especially in the political realm (with people like Huckabee, Ron Paul, etc), it seems  many address their actions with the mentality that they’re simply worthless sinners with no hope of changing/doing good. ….which in my view seems a bit unfair….AND moreover, a bit unrealistic, for until the Power of God changes their lives, a person in the world is going to act like SOMEONE IN THE WORLD (i.e. acting according to the sinful nature),… so why act surprised everytime they do something CRAZY??? Or treat them with contempt, especially seeing how great God’s love was for us in giving his SOn for folks while they were YET SINNERS (John 3:16-19) (Romans 5)
    Of course, I think the example of Jesus calling out a political figure  like Herod when Herod was going against the agenda of the Lord/trying to get Jesus in line with that should be considered (i.e. "go tell that FOX...Luke 13:31-33 ) 😉

  34. Gxg--G2 Says:

    That whole "rock the vote" phrase, you do realize that bunch was started by Leftists that work with groups like the reprobate MTV, hire trash monsters like Puff Daddy (or whatever name he uses now) and such.  Not the best bunch to associate yourself with .

    And the same thing goes for all of the common phrases we use all the time, including my trademark use of the phrase "Brah" (or "Bruh"…which believe it or not, some people believe it "worldly" to use, despite how it’s a Hawaiian Slang term, http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=brah,  and IMHO  a valid CULTURAL expression, just as it is with "sis", "dude", "man" or any other expression one would use in casual conversation.).

    Guess it’s how one uses it (though that’s an entire posting in itself)

    Also, I stopped trying to keep up with Puff Daddy’s   name variations (i.e. P Diddy, PDid. Diddy, etc). I’m a child of the 90’s, Dude, so I call him "Puffy" still since that’s where I left off with him/J-LO, .
    😉 winks
    🙂 grins

  35. art123 Says:

    IC, its P. Diddy now.

  36. IndependentConservative Says:

    Gxg, unlike Mike Huckabee and Ron Paul, Herod never claimed to be a follower of Christ.  You must also consider 1 Corinthians 5 in their regard, but still we must show a heart of compassion instead of hatred.

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