Comments on: John Hagee, the Biggest Apostate Heretic of 2007! (*Updated*) http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/12/19/john_hagee_is_an_apostate/ The Independent Conservative saying what needs to be said! Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:35:55 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: stan http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/12/19/john_hagee_is_an_apostate/comment-page-1/#comment-11089 stan Thu, 21 Aug 2008 01:25:51 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/12/19/john_hagee_is_an_apostate/#comment-11089 My guess is that Hagee passed the rewritten chapter around first to the scholars for a peer-review, and it did not get the endorsement he hoped for from them. So, as you suggest, he's refusing to abandon his initial premise of the book which caused the backlash he's still getting. Abandoning the premise means that the controversy he wishes to create will vanish and therefore he believes that will translate into lower sales for the book. It's all about "peddling the Word of God;" something Paul refused to do - and something every conscientious believer should also refuse to do. My guess is that Hagee passed the rewritten chapter around first to the scholars for a peer-review, and it did not get the endorsement he hoped for from them. So, as you suggest, he’s refusing to abandon his initial premise of the book which caused the backlash he’s still getting.

Abandoning the premise means that the controversy he wishes to create will vanish and therefore he believes that will translate into lower sales for the book. It’s all about “peddling the Word of God;” something Paul refused to do – and something every conscientious believer should also refuse to do.

]]> By: IndependentConservative http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/12/19/john_hagee_is_an_apostate/comment-page-1/#comment-11085 IndependentConservative Wed, 20 Aug 2008 22:37:03 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/12/19/john_hagee_is_an_apostate/#comment-11085 Looks like Don Geraci can see through Hagee's smoke. But what is a "rewritten" chapter if all you do is pass it around to people who approve and don't put in a new revision of the book that is still being sold? Never has Hagee pulled his book of heresy, which proves he has no urgency to do so and really beleives what is in the initial release. Looks like Don Geraci can see through Hagee’s smoke.

But what is a “rewritten” chapter if all you do is pass it around to people who approve and don’t put in a new revision of the book that is still being sold?

Never has Hagee pulled his book of heresy, which proves he has no urgency to do so and really beleives what is in the initial release.

]]> By: stan http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/12/19/john_hagee_is_an_apostate/comment-page-1/#comment-11082 stan Wed, 20 Aug 2008 22:02:26 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/12/19/john_hagee_is_an_apostate/#comment-11082 I received this email today from the ministry in the link in reply #36. I share it here: <i>Stan: From what I've heard, Hagee has 'promised' to rewrite the book. But no one knows when or if that will happen. That's all I know at this point. I have not followed the issue or Hagee closely since the news broke awhile ago. He did rewrite the chapter in question several months ago when the controversy broke. The unanimous concensus among scholarly and reputable evangelicals was that his revision was unacceptable. So he promised to rewrite the book. We'll have to wait and see. In the meantime, Hagee continues to act as spokesman and Director of 'Christians United for Israel'. In my opinion, that is a travesty. I cannot legitimize his ministry re. Israel until he comes totally clean on this whole matter. The Body of Christ suffers as a result through confusion, false doctrine and mixed messages. Don Geraci</i> I received this email today from the ministry in the link in reply #36.

I share it here:

Stan:
From what I’ve heard, Hagee has ‘promised’ to rewrite the book. But no one knows when or if that will happen. That’s all I know at this point. I have not followed the issue or Hagee closely since the news broke awhile ago.

He did rewrite the chapter in question several months ago when the controversy broke. The unanimous concensus among scholarly and reputable evangelicals was that his revision was unacceptable. So he promised to rewrite the book. We’ll have to wait and see.

In the meantime, Hagee continues to act as spokesman and Director of ‘Christians United for Israel’. In my opinion, that is a travesty. I cannot legitimize his ministry re. Israel until he comes totally clean on this whole matter. The Body of Christ suffers as a result through confusion, false doctrine and mixed messages.

Don Geraci

]]> By: stan http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/12/19/john_hagee_is_an_apostate/comment-page-1/#comment-11081 stan Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:21:09 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/12/19/john_hagee_is_an_apostate/#comment-11081 You're right. I forgot. I found it in #36. I just emailed them to ask if they've heard anything about his promise. Also, (and really) to alert them to their misplaced optimism concerning the fact that nothing of what he agreed to has been forthcoming. You’re right. I forgot. I found it in #36. I just emailed them to ask if they’ve heard anything about his promise. Also, (and really) to alert them to their misplaced optimism concerning the fact that nothing of what he agreed to has been forthcoming.

]]> By: IndependentConservative http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/12/19/john_hagee_is_an_apostate/comment-page-1/#comment-11079 IndependentConservative Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:44:10 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/12/19/john_hagee_is_an_apostate/#comment-11079 I think you linked it in a comment above. I think you linked it in a comment above.

]]> By: stan http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/12/19/john_hagee_is_an_apostate/comment-page-1/#comment-11078 stan Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:16:03 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/12/19/john_hagee_is_an_apostate/#comment-11078 I agree with you, IC. I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt for a reasonable time (which has been up for a while). With these celebrity ministers, only seeing is believing. I wonder if the ministry that reported it has given up. I'll see if I can find that bookmark. I agree with you, IC. I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt for a reasonable time (which has been up for a while). With these celebrity ministers, only seeing is believing.

I wonder if the ministry that reported it has given up. I’ll see if I can find that bookmark.

]]> By: IndependentConservative http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/12/19/john_hagee_is_an_apostate/comment-page-1/#comment-11077 IndependentConservative Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:56:23 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/12/19/john_hagee_is_an_apostate/#comment-11077 Stan, I'm calling John Hagee's claims to revise the book bogus. It has been almost a year since the book's initial release and no revised edition has been released. Unless you know something I don't? Stan, I’m calling John Hagee’s claims to revise the book bogus. It has been almost a year since the book’s initial release and no revised edition has been released. Unless you know something I don’t?

]]> By: IndependentConservative http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/12/19/john_hagee_is_an_apostate/comment-page-1/#comment-7847 IndependentConservative Wed, 26 Dec 2007 04:49:17 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/12/19/john_hagee_is_an_apostate/#comment-7847 <blockquote>It’s hard to understand why someone would go out of their way to make such statements about Jesus’ Messiahship. </blockquote> It's not hard to figure it.  It's because of a desire for honor among men and money.  Hagee would rather be with the folks in Israel with the money and prestige, who have no desire to spread the Gospel message.  Never mind that small faction of Messianic Jews, who know Jesus is the Messiah and need help spreading the message in Israel. Yea, if Peter and Paul were around, guess who Hagee would be hanging out with!  <span style="font-style: italic">(Not Peter and Paul.)</span>

It’s hard to understand why someone would go out of their way to make such statements about Jesus’ Messiahship.

It’s not hard to figure it.  It’s because of a desire for honor among men and money.  Hagee would rather be with the folks in Israel with the money and prestige, who have no desire to spread the Gospel message.  Never mind that small faction of Messianic Jews, who know Jesus is the Messiah and need help spreading the message in Israel.

Yea, if Peter and Paul were around, guess who Hagee would be hanging out with!  (Not Peter and Paul.)

]]> By: stan http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/12/19/john_hagee_is_an_apostate/comment-page-1/#comment-7846 stan Wed, 26 Dec 2007 04:27:50 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/12/19/john_hagee_is_an_apostate/#comment-7846 It's hard to understand why someone would go out of their way to make such statements about Jesus' Messiahship. After all, If Jesus had not been sent to Israel to be the Messiah, then the apostles Peter and Paul got it exactly backward by presenting Him thus to the Jews in Jerusalem and Judea and in the synagogues of Asia Minor and Greece. Therefore, Hagee has set Scripture against itself in a major way. It’s hard to understand why someone would go out of their way to make such statements about Jesus’ Messiahship. After all, If Jesus had not been sent to Israel to be the Messiah, then the apostles Peter and Paul got it exactly backward by presenting Him thus to the Jews in Jerusalem and Judea and in the synagogues of Asia Minor and Greece. Therefore, Hagee has set Scripture against itself in a major way.

]]> By: IndependentConservative http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/12/19/john_hagee_is_an_apostate/comment-page-1/#comment-7844 IndependentConservative Tue, 25 Dec 2007 21:20:36 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/12/19/john_hagee_is_an_apostate/#comment-7844 Thank you for the update Stan. I've seen John Hagee in <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Gal.1:8-9;&version=49;" rel="nofollow">Galatians 1:8-9</a> terms since first hearing of his "dual covenant" nonsense and I highly suspect, that while he might <em>adjust </em>the book he'll continue to promote heresy that is not the true Gospel of Jesus Christ. Basically, if that changed book does not say: <strong>Jesus is Messiah and only those who believe on Him will not perish, no matter if they are Jew or Gentile.</strong> Than he's still deserving of the title given to him in this post.  I'll hold to that until he can speak the truth of <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=65&chapter=8&verse=13&version=49&context=verse" rel="nofollow">Hebrews 8:13</a>. Thank you for the update Stan.

I’ve seen John Hagee in Galatians 1:8-9 terms since first hearing of his "dual covenant" nonsense and I highly suspect, that while he might adjust the book he’ll continue to promote heresy that is not the true Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Basically, if that changed book does not say:
Jesus is Messiah and only those who believe on Him will not perish, no matter if they are Jew or Gentile.
Than he’s still deserving of the title given to him in this post.  I’ll hold to that until he can speak the truth of Hebrews 8:13.

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