December 12, 2007

Scientology Cult Seeping into Some Urban “Pentecostal” Church Groups.

by @ 1:19 am. Filed under Nuts on Parade

Our brother Ernest who often reads this blog passed me something a while back, that I finally had a good chance to look over. And let’s just say it’s down right awful!

Check out the video Some Christian pastors embrace Scientology.

Notice how they have decided to fuse the teachings of a cult with their regular activities? The claims being “oh it’s helping people get off drugs”. Their goal is now reliance on cult teaching to address social ills. This is turning into a golden calf situation.

Exodus 32:1-4 (New American Standard Bible)

1 Now when the people saw that Moses delayed to come down from the mountain, the people assembled about Aaron and said to him, “Come, make us a god who will go before us; as for this Moses, the man who brought us up from the land of Egypt, we do not know what has become of him.”

2 Aaron said to them, “Tear off the gold rings which are in the ears of your wives, your sons, and your daughters, and bring them to me.”

3 Then all the people tore off the gold rings which were in their ears and brought them to Aaron.

4 He took this from their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool and made it into a molten calf; and they said, “This is your god, O Israel, who brought you up from the land of Egypt.”

Their surroundings look bad and now they are looking to things other than Christ, while calling it a church assembly. This is nothing more than a spin on the health and wealth, prosperity, Y-O-U centered false doctrines. Just toss in anything and claim you thank God for it. Put the Bible down for a church meeting and pick up the cult book. And the cult is giving out the books free of charge, anything to help people lose their souls.

Mess of other types is going on with some other church groups, that feature study of books by people like Robert Kiyosaki at what is supposed to be Wednesday night Bible Study! I mean if someone wants to read about financial investing, that’s for their own time, not time when saints gather to learn about and praise the Lord. They end up jumping around for a while and learn about nothing, but how to make themselves an impressive piece of flesh. It forsakes devoting that time to spiritual matters. With this Scientology mess it’s just the latest throw in! First it was the financial books and such, now moving straight into every cult one can name. Just so long as we can say somebody is not on drugs, whatever it takes right? Wrong, this forsakes the Lord and goes to the lying wonders of Satan.

Matthew 24:24 (New American Standard Bible)

24 “For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.

How long before these people that are being flooded with cult materials get deeper into the cult? Notice what God has Paul saying when it comes to what the focus of ministry should be AT ALL TIMES.

1 Corinthians 2:1-5 (New American Standard Bible)

1 And when I came to you, brethren, I did not come with superiority of speech or of wisdom, proclaiming to you the testimony of God.

2 For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.

3 I was with you in weakness and in fear and in much trembling,

4 and my message and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,

5 so that your faith would not rest on the wisdom of men, but on the power of God.

These pastors pushing cult materials are acting like they are just learning a few new techniques, however, that is not their job if they claim to work for Christ. They are leading themselves and others into the heart of darkness. The church should never promote cults. This is how cults are more generally embraced, given more money and eventually grow their ranks to spread more evil.

If your pastor pulls out a book that is not about Jesus Christ and Him crucified, flee. See what the scripture above says. A pastor should be standing on scripture. The goal is to teach about Christ, to speak the message of Christ, not the message of Partnership For a Drug-Free America. Not that I’m against anti-drug groups, but focus on social matters has pulled people who claim to be ministers of the gospel away from standing on the truth. This is something the apostles of the Lord Jesus were sure to avoid doing, even in terms of serving food to widows.

Acts 6:1-4 (New American Standard Bible)

1 Now at this time while the disciples were increasing in number, a complaint arose on the part of the Hellenistic Jews against the native Hebrews, because their widows were being overlooked in the daily serving of food.

2 So the twelve summoned the congregation of the disciples and said, “It is not desirable for us to neglect the word of God in order to serve tables.

3 “Therefore, brethren, select from among you seven men of good reputation, full of the Spirit and of wisdom, whom we may put in charge of this task.

4 “But we will devote ourselves to prayer and to the ministry of the word.”

Notice they didn’t turn to teaching from cult materials, they stuck with PRAYER AND THE MINISTRY OF THE WORD. They devoted men of good reputation, who were full of the Holy Spirit and of wisdom to handle social tasks. Why men who were of such a lot? Because THE CHURCH IS ABOUT MINISTRY OF THE GOSPEL. So you don’t get men playing the role of Deacon who will stray to cult practices in their work. The men the apostles sought are exactly what we see in the qualifications for Deacons in 1 Timothy 3:8-10. Pastors should stick to prayer and the message of the Gospel, never the message of L. Ron Hubbard.

21 Responses to “Scientology Cult Seeping into Some Urban “Pentecostal” Church Groups.”

  1. Gxg--G2 Says:

    Hi Brah.

    You know I got nothing but love for ya, but I think you may need to clarify moreso for me here.

    Remember Acts 17:16-34?

    To give understanding to the context of this passage, Athens was the cultural center of Greece—the center for Greek Culture, philosophy, and education—-and home to renowned philosophers in history like Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle, who was arguably the most influential one of them all. There were also two other significant philosophers taught there and there names were Epicurus (founder of Epicureanism and Zeno, founder of Stoicism—two of the most dominant philosophies of that day

    It’s important to note this because, Though Athens was a pagan society, it’s also where many of us have gotten the majority of ideas which we use today…ideas like The Socratic method-—-which is the idea that To solve a problem, you ask a question and when finding the answer, you would also have an answer to your problem, and this method is what led to the beginning of the Scientific Method, in which the first step says to name the problem in the form of a question…..and this method is widely used in contemporary legal education by many law schools in the US, Where the professor asks a question and calls on a student to give an answer and The professor either then continues to ask the student questions or moves on to another student……….

    The same could be said of Aristotle, who not only helped to shape the ideas of LOGIC that many of the other things we hold as TRUE today, such as in the areas of anatomy, astronomy, economics, embryology, geography, geology, meteorology, physics, and zoology, aesthetics, ethics, government, metaphysics, politics, psychology, rhetoric and theology"have transformedPre-Socratic Greek philosophy into the foundations of Western philosophy as we know it", (though it’s funny thinking that many would probably say not to listen to him/any of the other Greek PHILOSOPHERS because they weren’t EXPLICITLY "Christian", believed in other gods and probably were influenced by the enemy in the ways they used their ideas in the way

  2. Gxg--G2 Says:

    Forgive me if I’m coming off the wrong way….

  3. trayjay Says:

    Good morning, I.C.  I was watching Tony Evans last night (not something I usually do) and he was talking about how sin causes static in your connection to God (demonstrating talking on the phone to God and the static caused by sin being so bad that you cannot hear Him).  It was a good word, especially since he doesn’t usually spend a lot of time talking about sin (at least what I have seen – forgive if I’m wrong – my sister stopped going to his church for that very reason).  Anyway, I say all this to say that I would be willing to bet that these people have unconfessed sin that they are dealing with because sin does indeed keep you in "static" when you should be hearing from the Lord.  We are in the middle of the Apostasy and it amazes me, even though I shouldn’t be amazed because it’s in the Word, how far people are willing to go to increase their memberships (and bank accounts) and still call themselves Christians.  The Holy Spirit won’t even let me walk by a shirt laying on the floor at Walmart without telling me to pick it up and place it back on the rack, and God forbid I try to leave my shopping cart between my car and the one next to me; how do these people do the exact thing that God said not to do and the Holy Spirit not say a word to them?  They either don’t belong the God, or they have unconfessed sin to the degree that either the Holy Spirit is no longer striving with them, or they just choose to ignore Him.  I tell ya, if you don’t stay in the Word of God and have a daily relationship with Him, keeping yourself in prayer and vigorously opposing sin, you will get caught up with the Wide and Broad way that leads to Hell.  Lord help us to endure to the end.  Come quickly, Lord Jesus!!!

  4. IndependentConservative Says:

    Gxg – You said in your first comment a fairly lengthy ramble about how Greek philosophers who did not know the Lord influenced some areas of science.  Now let me throw you back to 1 Corinthians 2 and check that out in full.  Given what God had Paul to do regarding actions in the church assembly, do you feel church groups should also begin teaching the Socratic method and Scientific Method?  If people are familiar with that and a pastor knowing his audience leverages it, that is one thing.  That’s called, trying to help the one who does not see God to know of Him.  However, it’s quite a different matter, for a pastor to be in the House of God (assembly of saints, we know a church building is not God’s house, but our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit) and introduce various philosophies of man, for the sake of physical matters.  What we have is a case where a pastor is introducing anti-christ materials.  Instead of continued study in the Word of God, they are now devoting time to Scientology and I really think you might want to recognize that Scientology is such a horrible cult, you don’t see secular scientists or philosophers recommending it.  It’s not about science, it is false religion, that leads away from God.  What this pastor is doing is very much on par with bringing in books about Wicca because he feels he discovered a method in those books to ease someone’s cancer pain and as a result giving the entire church assembly books all about Wicca.

    This is apostasy.  It does not come with a sticker saying "this is apostasy" on the side, well it really does, but you’ve got to understand, once the saints turn to cults for guidance they are moving from the truth.  As I note in my post, if someone studies economics in some personal time, fine, but the church assembly is not to play promoter for Robert Kiyosaki.  Introducing Scientology takes it to an even sicker place.  Saints should not even consider L. Ron Hubbard in their personal time, most heathens don’t consider L. Ron Hubbard at all.  This (Scientology) is one that even the vast majority of unbelievers see is not to be considered.  If a Scientology book says 1 + 1 = 2, I highly recommend you go by a math book instead of trying to gain that knowledge from anti-christ L. Ron Hubbard.  The math book was not devised to try and tell you lies about God.

  5. IndependentConservative Says:

    Gxg – I’m holding back your other comments where you basically say the exact same thing trying various other angles.  I want you to consider my comment above and then respond instead of you posting a flood of comments that all say the same thing although via different angles.

  6. Gxg--G2 Says:

    It’s all good, Brah. And again, my bad for the other comments. Though I do appreciate the dialouge/response.

    Before responding, could you please clarify what you mean by this:

    It’s quite a different matter, for a pastor to be in the House of God (assembly of saints, we know a church building is not God’s house, but our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit) and introduce various philosophies of man, for the sake of physical matters.

    Forgive me, but that’s still seeming a bit vague to me……specifically on the phrase "physical matters". And in my understanding, the man referencing the material didn’t use it soley for spiritual purposes. Again, could you clarify? And moreover, if by physical matters you mean the booklet’s purpose of helping people physically, would that also extend to other areas used in churches all the time like landscapping, buisness economics, practical strategies for managing resources/networking, logical analysis, and other areas that may not necessarily be EXPLICITLY "CHRISTIAN"?

  7. Gxg--G2 Says:

     I pray I’m making sense here. I’m just really concerned about the ramifications of the discussion. Scientology is godless, but so is secular humanism, socialism, and many other organizations. Yet I know of many godly churches which use sheets/booklets to refer people coming in/dealing with things such as abuses & addictions or homelessness to places such as emergency shelters, food pantries or youth centers because of their track record for helping others with practical information/basic principles of wisdom……and yet many of them are godless in their allegiance to Christ.

  8. Gxg--G2 Says:

    This is big for me, by the way, because I am aspiring to be a social worker. And in a practical example, if someone in my church is struggling with a physical/social problem (i.e.  an addiction like alcohol, drugs), I’d normally pray for them & discuss what the Word of God says on the subject. However, I’d have no problem referring them with church material to something such as an ALCOHOLICS ANYNOMOUS GROUP for support because of their track record at efficency.

    Where does the line end and begin when it comes to adressing what practices which are secular are not appropiate……since many of the practices from back in the day we use all the time are not explicitly Christian? That was one of my points  with Acts 17, FOR THE CITY WAS FULL OF IDOLATRY….and whether it was a cult or not, there are still ideas coming about from it we use all the time and EVEN REFERENCE IN THE CHURCH without a second thouhgt.


  9. IndependentConservative Says:

    Gxg – Regarding landscaping and such, see my "math book" statement.  And landscaping is not what should be taught by a pastor during a church assembly.  And yes the grass around the building, if the assembly takes ownership of a building, should be maintained, but not during time devoted to the assembly of the saints.

    In the church assembly, it is to be about scripture.  Notice the one place profiled the longest has gone from teaching scripture at times to Scientology instead.  The cult is being used in place of time that was devoted to the Word of God.  The pastor is handing out Scientology books.  Let me say that again a pastor is handing out Scientology books.  Is this registering with you yet?

  10. art123 Says:

    You have celebrities like Tom Cruise jumping on and off Oprah’s couch like he lost his mind, pushing this phenomonal, John Travolta and other celebs too.  I bet L. Ron Hubbard is a proud man and more if he can misguide more lost people.  The problem with this bing bang theory is that nothing happens out of the clear blue sky.  There is a force that produces existance and there is a cause which brings forth effect.  To deny it is to deny the existance of our Creator.

  11. Gxg--G2 Says:

    Gxg – Regarding landscaping and such, see my "math book" statement.  And landscaping is not what should be taught by a pastor during a church assembly.  And yes the grass around the building, if the assembly takes ownership of a building, should be maintained, but not during time devoted to the assembly of the saints.In the church assembly, it is to be about scripture.  Notice the one place profiled the longest has gone from teaching scripture at times to Scientology instead.  The cult is being used in place of time that was devoted to the Word of God.  The pastor is handing out Scientology books.  Let me say that again a pastor is handing out Scientology books.  Is this registering with you yet?

    Gottcha. That makes MUCH more sense…….,

  12. Gxg--G2 Says:

    Basically, if I’m hearing you correctly, the issue is that the man’s not referencing philosophy/utlizing alongside SOLID TEACHING OF THE WORD OF GOD/HIS PRINCIPLES (which in fact do have much to say about the issue of poverty & how to deal with it) but is rather SUBSTITUTING IT in place of the teaching of the Word.

  13. IndependentConservative Says:

    Gxg – If you referred someone to a Scientology group, that would be a problem.  That is what this pastor and others are doing.  On top of the fact they are assuming work outside of prayer and spreading the gospel, Acts 6:1-4.  They have become so focused on social concerns that they are losing focus of Christ.

    Paul’s message in Acts 17 was to use what little unbelievers know of God through common grace, to help them know of God’s saving grace for those who believe.  What you are seeing those pastors noted in the video doing is the exact opposite.  They are taking people who mostly believe and stirring them to things other than the Word of God.

    You’re really making up things in your own mind that are not being mentioned.  If I say I’m against Scientology, it does not mean I’m trying to pull saints from membership in Alcoholics Anonymous.  I have a friend who actually accepted his call to Christ while in an Alcoholics Anonymous group, but I doubt people are being led to Christ in Scientology groups, because Scientology is expressly anti-Christ and the pastor admits he knows that is in the Scientology books.

  14. Gxg--G2 Says:

    Cool. I gots ya….

  15. IndependentConservative Says:

    art123 – L. Ron Hubbard is dead and burning in hell.  His burn started back in 1986.

  16. art123 Says:

    Forgive me for I did not know that he was deceased.  I heard about the Scientology religion but that’s all.

  17. Gxg--G2 Says:

    If I may share,

    I think that IC’s post on the issue is pretty TIMELY.

    God’s Word makes very clear that in the last days many will abandon the faith to follow decieving spirits/things taught by demons (I Timothy 4:1-6), and this is especially the case when it came to false teachers (Mark 13:21-23, Acts 20:28-31, II Thessalonians 2:1-12, II Peter 3:3-7).

    When Paul spoke this, the danger he was referring to and that Timothy was facing was that certain people in the church were following Greek Philosophers (some of whom were probably the same who Paul interacted with when he went and reasoned with them–Acts 17:16-34) who taught that the Body was evil and only the soul mattered….and these false teachers refused to believe the God of creation was good, and though the Greek influenced church members honored Jesus, they could not believe he was fully human—-a teaching/mentality that Paul knew, if left unchecked, would greatly distort Christian Truth.

    That’s why it’s not enough that a teacher appears to know what he is talking about, is disciplined and moral, or says he is speaking for God….for if his words contradict the Bible, his teaching as a WHOLE is false. And like Timothy, we must guard against any teaching (whether it appears very direct or EXTREMELY subtle) that causes believers to dilute or reject any aspect of their faith. ..and though it is QUITE POSSIBLE that teacher speak something that might contain a HINT of TRUTH (as is often the case), it’s our job as Christians to be discerning and examine the context of the things he/she says and their Conclusions about Christ before accepting them as worthy of following.

  18. art123 Says:

    In that case, people should avoid this heretic religion or they’ll burn with him.

  19. Gxg--G2 Says:

    In Colossians 2:8 (NIV), the apostle Paul wrote, Quote: “See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.”

  20. oct31st1517 Says:

    Scientology is a cult.  Check out these quotes from this swollower of souls.

  21. art123 Says:

    The link says: Make money, make more money, make other people make money.  My gosh! a cult indeed.  It sounds like L. Ron Hubbard, Creflo Dollar and Kenneth Copeland ran in the same circles.  Also more garbage to read.

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