December 12, 2007

The Mitt Romney Spin Cycle is in Full Effect! (*Updated*)

by @ 2:30 pm. Filed under Nuts on Parade

Let me first say, that this post is not at all an endorsement of Mike Huckabee. Huckabee, he first felt God called him to be a leader in the House of God and then suddenly felt he should be a publican. I never trust such a man. No I’m not voting for him and have always said I won’t. I could make lengthy posts about Huckabee supporting pimps and brother Job over at Jesus Christology has more.

However, I’ve got no problem with Huckabee calling out Romney (who I also will not vote for), but look at the spin from the Mormon political spin machine.

Huckabee Questions Mormons’ Belief

WASHINGTON (AP) – Republican presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee, an ordained Southern Baptist minister, asks in an upcoming article, “Don’t Mormons believe that Jesus and the devil are brothers?”The article, to be published in Sunday’s New York Times Magazine, says Huckabee asked the question after saying he believes Mormonism is a religion but doesn’t know much about it. His rival Mitt Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, is a member of the Mormon church, which is known officially as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

The authoritative Encyclopedia of Mormonism, published in 1992, does not refer to Jesus and Satan as brothers. It speaks of Jesus as the son of God and of Satan as a fallen angel, which is a Biblical account.

A spokeswoman for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints said Huckabee’s question is usually raised by those who wish to smear the Mormon faith rather than clarify doctrine.

“We believe, as other Christians believe and as Paul wrote, that God is the father of all,” said the spokeswoman, Kim Farah. “That means that all beings were created by God and are his spirit children. Christ, on the other hand, was the only begotten in the flesh and we worship him as the son of God and the savior of mankind. Satan is the exact opposite of who Christ is and what he stands for.”

Notice all the SPIN AND LIES from Mormons, plus how the media plays right into it! Clever word plays that Christians would not catch if not aware of what the cult of Joseph Smith Junior teaches. Well if you’ve been reading these you know better:

You also know I’ve banned Mormons from posting comments, because they continue to lie in defense of the cult, so they get no more voice here. I don’t keep cult members who endorse a cult in my own house and won’t on my blog either, 2 John 1:10-11.

He might be a Liberal, but Lawrence O’Donnell speaks the whole truth about Mitt Romney.

update 12/12/2007 2:52PM: And while everybody talks about THE FACT that Mormons teach A LIE, lies such as that Satan and Jesus are brothers born from a union of the Father and supposedly one of his many wives, which Mormons reduced to one “mother” (as if God needs a wife), but orthodox Mormons still teach the Father lives in polygamy. Nobody speaks much about THE FACT that Mormons teach that the Father has a grandfather and great grand father and god fathers into infinity, because while they don’t believe in the Trinity, they believe the Father is just one of an infinite number of celestial gods. All out on their various planets of habitation. Of course you can’t believe in the Trinity, when you feel Christ is just the latest of a multitude of “gods” who worked His way up to God status via good works. Mormons themselves hoping to also become “gods”. Thinking we are spirit babies in flesh, just like Jesus 🙄 . They totally teach of another jesus. The kind Christians are warned about avoiding in 2 Corinthians 11:3-4.

update 12/12/2007 4:25PM: I forgot to include a reference to this post about Mick Huckabee, Why The Media Likes Mike Huckabee So Much: He Is A Rick Warren Worker!

33 Responses to “The Mitt Romney Spin Cycle is in Full Effect! (*Updated*)”

  1. oct31st1517 Says:

    The only problem I have with voting for a Mormon is this. If he is devout to his church, that means that he will be devoted to his prophet in Salt Lake City. My concern would be, who would really be the president? Mitt Romney, or Gordon Hinkley? Do you think I have a valid concern?

  2. IndependentConservative Says:

    I do, check out this post of those linked above: Mitt Romney’s Mormon Strategy. Plus His 2003 Support for Liberal Rocky Anderson.

    And keep in mind Romney used to be a Mormon Bishop.  While I think Huckabee shows himself to be a double-minded man who has forsaken the highest calling a man could have from almighty God, I think Romney’s shift to politics was much more calculated.

    Also check out posts like What You Need to Know About Mitt Romney (and there are other posts like this in the list above).  You don’t know if he’ll do what he says he’ll do, because he changes his position way too much.  Every man has a right to change his mind, but Romney’s mind always changes just as he’s ready to run for another office.

  3. oct31st1517 Says:

    Just thought I might add that Huckabee will be preaching at John Hagee’s church on Dec 23rd. Maybe I’ll drop by to listen if they don’t try to cast demons out of me.

  4. IndependentConservative Says:

    Huckabee will be preaching at John Hagee’s church on Dec 23rd.

    You’re just kidding right?  You’re not serious when saying Huckabee would place himself that close to the major heretic we already knew he’s got ties to.

    Is there an announcement of this posted online anywhere?

    The perfect stocking stuffer, video of a publican at the building of a heretic 😀 .  The perfect way to help that special someone in your life find strong delusion 😆 .

  5. Gxg--G2 Says:

    Ok, someone correct me if I’m wrong…….but if others like Hagge, Copeland or others are getting POLITICALLY INVOLVED, isn’t that illegal?

    If Copeland is using monies from his 510(c)3 Corporation to support a presidential candidate, he is in violation of the laws and regulations that tax exempt corporations are under.

    "The ban on political campaign activity by charities and churches was created by Congress more than a half century ago. The Internal Revenue Service administers the tax laws written by Congress and has enforcement authority over tax-exempt organizations. Here is some background information on the political campaign activity ban and the latest IRS enforcement statistics regarding its administration of this congressional ban.

    In 1954, Congress approved an amendment by Sen. Lyndon Johnson to prohibit 501(c)(3) organizations, which includes charities and churches, from engaging in any political campaign activity. To the extent Congress has revisited the ban over the years, it has in fact strengthened the ban. The most recent change came in 1987 when Congress amended the language to clarify that the prohibition also applies to statements opposing candidates.

    Currently, the law prohibits political campaign activity by charities and churches by defining a 501(c)(3) organization as one "which does not participate in, or intervene in (including the publishing or distributing of statements), any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office."" Internal Revenue Service United States Department of Treasury, Charities, Churches and Politics,,id=161131,00.html

  6. oct31st1517 Says:

    I don’t see anything on his website about Huckabee preaching, but I live in San Antonio where Hagee preaches, and a friend of mine who is a member of Hagee’s congregation, gave me this info.

  7. Gxg--G2 Says:

    Meant to add that  The IRS regularly cautions tax exempt corporations from being involved in the political process.,,id=157879,00.html

    There’s even an article I discovered on the subject….specifically on why Government shouldn’t use the Church for basic “electioneering”

    Go to this link to find out more:

    By the way, if Hucakabee is pointing out the hyprocrisy in Rommey, it’s ironic that he’s doing so also……as well as Obama, by the way, who has long been lobbying churches under the notion that they’re working on adressing common issues (i.e. AIDS, etc)…..& no one has said anything about the church not getting involved politically.

    Go here for evidence:

    Also, it appears that he has been rallying support from churches without any hinderances. Evidence:…_Tradition.htm…c_Concerts.htm

    “Embrace the Change! Gospel Series,” was aimed at boosting Obama’s religious black voters in South Carolina. The concert tour featured McClurkin, Grammy Award winners Mary Mary and Hezekiah Walker and the Mighty Clouds of Joy among other Gospel greats……..& though Barack may not necessarily be in a church when he sponsored it, it seems he indirectly used church support by getting ahold of the people the church praises.
    Why is it so often the case that those in the political realm accuse others of breaking the laws of the land, whether economic/social or other, and yet seem to constantly "bend the law" themselves….. ?

  8. IndependentConservative Says:

    Gxg, you know is run by  "Americans United for Separation of Church and State", they are like kissing cousins of the ACLU and wish to drive any reference of anything Christian out of the public square.  They claim otherwise, but from what I’ve seen of them, that’s how I feel about them.

    I covered Obama with the pimps (husband and wife that call themselves both apostles) in SC in this post.

  9. oct31st1517 Says:

    It’s officially on hagees website-

    Guest Speaker Mike Huckabee
    Time: 8:30am
    Location: Sanctuary
    Special Guest Mike Huckabee will be speaking at both the 8:30 am and 11:00 am services.

  10. IndependentConservative Says:

    Yes it is, here is a direct link.

    So I guess they are passing this off as Mike Huckabee visiting as a "minister" and not a politician?

  11. Gxg--G2 Says:

    Gxg, you know is run by  "Americans United for Separation of Church and State", they are like kissing cousins of the ACLU and wish to drive any reference of anything Christian out of the public square.  They claim otherwise, but from what I’ve seen of them, that’s how I feel about them.


    Well, in my understanding, the ACLU (and thus Americans United for SEPERATION of Church & State, by default) does have evidence that they do have the backs of Christians to a degree. For example: The link offers ABUNDANT evidence regarding multiple cases which seem to indicate their willingness to defend Christians, despite being labeled as anti-religion/anti-Christ because of their many suits against Christians

  12. Gxg--G2 Says:

    So I guess they are passing this off as Mike Huckabee visiting as a "minister" and not a politician?

    IC, please help me out Brah…….cause at times, it truly does feel like I’m crazy (or as the old saying goes, "you’re not going crazy, but merely turning SANE in a CRAZY WORLD") when I consider how OBVIOUS it should seem that Huckabee/others are CLEARLY BREAKING THE LAW & yet no one seems to notice……unless there’s new law which came out REVOKING THE OLDER ONES AGAINST BEING INVOLVED POLITICALLY WITH the SPONSORSHIP OF NON-PROFIT/RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS. d

    Did I miss something, Brah?


  13. Gxg--G2 Says:

    Was specifically referencing how ludicrous it’d seem if Huckabee was actually passed off as a "Minister" someone at the church

  14. IndependentConservative Says:

    Gxg, the ACLU and AUSCS are not friends to Christians and they put out spin to fool people like yourself. That supposed "abundance" (only about 32 and their definition of "Christian" is rather broad) of instances they’ve stood for Christians pale in comparison to the number of times they’ve filed lawsuits in attacks against Christians. You’ve been duped my friend.

    I’ve got an abundance of post right here on this blog where the ACLU went against the best interests of Christians.

    How about you take time to read about the much more overwhelming abundance of cases where the Alliance Defense Fund (ADF) has fought the ACLU for Christian’s best interests. Poke around their site and you’ll find plenty.

    And not that I’m the biggest Jay Sekulow fan these days (he’s all behind Romney), but look at all the many cases the American Center for Law & Justice (ACLJ) has fought against the ACLU in Christian’s best interests. Poke around their site and you’ll find plenty.

    Groups like the ADF and ACLJ are rather new and already have piles of cases more than the 30 some odd the ACLU claims in defense of Christian’s being able to worship and speak freely. The ACLU is old and been attacking the church for a very long time. The ACLU was founded by a Communist.

    The ACLU’s shocking legacy

    ACLU fulfilling communist agenda

    I could make an entire blog about it and someone has. Although he’s a bit into other matters at the moment, he’s got plenty about the ACLU’s oh so many attacks against Christians. Poke around there and learn a bit more.

  15. IndependentConservative Says:

    Regarding political involvement in church organizations.  It’s like cars speeding down the highway.  Far more violation than enforcement.  I only see it as an issue for church groups that actually signed up with government at 501-c 3 organizations.  They in writing submitted to the rules.  No church group needs to sign up, they could just pay taxes and be involved in whatever they wish.  Also, if a church group is not political, they automatically have 501-c 3 status without ever having to submit any paperwork.

    Although I disagree with this group’s view that churches deserve to be tax exempt, (and you won’t find a mention of Romans 13 on their page, because they can’t support their contention for deserved tax exemption with scripture) they explain some of the details well of how things got to this point.

    Facts about 501c3 tax-exempt status for the church

    Basically American churches have accepted a tax break in exchange for having themselves shut out of speaking on certain matters.  When it’s possible (oh I don’t know maybe as the anti-Christ gains power), that the church would want to speak on some politically related matters.

  16. art123 Says:

    In my opinion, Romney looks a little like actor James Gardner.  Speaking of shift to politics, didn’t Pat Roberson do the same when he was a Presidential candidate?  Religion and politics makes strange bedfellows, but heretics have no problem with it.

  17. IndependentConservative Says:

    Well art123, you said it well 🙂 .

  18. Gxg--G2 Says:

    Thanks for the links, Brah.  They were really helpful.

    I remember discussing the issue elsewhere with someone, with someone saying to another on the ACLU:

    Only the blind do not see the drive against Christians by the ACLU.

    In response, someone for the ACLU said this:

    Only when they are in the wrong.

    What is claimed as ACLU persecution is simply the ACLU not giving Christians a free pass. Instead they hold Christians to the law as much as any other party (in theory anyway, they’ve actually been a bit lax). The fact that a large number of cases involve Christians is simply due to the facts that Christians are the majority religion and that Christians enjoy political power to a greater extent than any other religion in this country.

    The ACLU stands up for equal rights under the constitution. When Christians go too far, like trying to force prayer in school or teach religion in a science course, OR  they sue Christians. When Christians have their rights violated, such as being denied their right to pray

    The whole the ACLU is anti-Christian bit is propoganda. In fact, they represent anybody who has their rights violated, individually, they represent Christians.

    The ACLU, and organizations like Americans United for Separation of Church and State, People for the American Way are doing a good job of curtailing the in-your-face zealots.


    People tend to see exactly what they expect or intend to see. You expect to see that the ACLU is against Christianity, so it seems that a person must be blind not to see it. From my perspective, you must be blind not to see that the ACLU supports everyone’s constitutional rights.

    They then procedded to give me the link I posted earlier on the ACLU defending Christians, which is why it was a bit confusing to me. What was even more confusing was the fact that there are PLENTY of cases (as you pointed out too) of Christians having their rights BLANTALY dismissed/minimized. For evidence:…TICLE_ID=56544…TICLE_ID=56317…e=print&sid=40…adingbible.htm

     I guess the ACLU’s actions in Christian cases are somewhat similar to what happens in  A front organization, where legitimate cases/, companies & actions are used for "cover" for the parent company……or as attempts to mislead when ILLEGAL actions occur:

    It’s all "Smoke & Mirrors"….

  19. Gxg--G2 Says:

    You might wish you wish add to the list of organizations the AFA (American Family Association)

  20. IndependentConservative Says:

    Yes the AFA has done battle with the ACLU many time.  I’m not the biggest AFA fan.  Still, so many have had to deal with those ACLU nuts.

  21. IndependentConservative Says:

    Gxg, regarding your comment #18, the ACLU as you are now seeing, talks a good game, but when you see their actions and their history, it’s all about destroying the church. And when Christians are kept from ministering the gospel, the ACLU is usually no where to be found (except that very small number of cases they bring up), which is why groups like the ADF and ACLJ were formed. The ACLU selects the cases they will go after and very often they go after the church unjustly and that’s why the ADF and ACLJ have been able to beat them often.

    Just look at the kind of nonsense the ACLU is really up to:

    ACLU May Sue L.A. County Over Seal

    The ACLU got them to remove it too. That’s the kind of nonsense they are up to. Things like that were FULLY supported by America’s founders and protected, but the ACLU has twisted the meanings of things to attack the church.

  22. Gxg--G2 Says:


  23. Gxg--G2 Says:

    By the way, Art 123,

    Religion and politics makes strange bedfellows, but heretics have no problem with it.

    Couldn’t of said it better, Brah……

  24. IndependentConservative Says:

    Gxg, Art123 is a female.

    I’ve really been hoping to find a plug-in that allows people to identify their gender.  Because I really hate treating a lady like a man and vice versa.

  25. healtheland Says:

    IC: Huckabee’s date at Cornerstone is right here. It fits, since a high figure in Huckabee’s campaign is also Hagee’s book publisher. Even though he is not one of them (largely because Southern Baptists are generally not on TV because except for the guys on NRB Christian TV is pretty much dominated by those who came up out of Asuza Street) Huckabee is part and parcel of the televangelist and Christian celebrity subculture. So you have Huckabee lining up the white televangelists and Barack Obama lining up the black churches and gospel singers. Even apart from the televangelists with Huckabee, he has ties into the more mainstream evangelical movement through his strong ties to Rick Warren. We already know that Huckabee supports that Council on Foreign Relations front the Global P.E.A.C.E Initiative, the thing that has Rick Warren so involved in Africa and actually had him defending North Korea and Syria for awhile, and that is also probably why he is soft on illegal immigration.  I wonder if he also has ties to Sun Myung Moon’s Center For National Policy as well.

  26. Gxg--G2 Says:

    To me, it’s a trip seeing how often the law is bent MULTIPLE WAYS and in the reality, though many claim to stand for jjustice, they’re often the ones decieving/breaking things (just like it was with Old Anthony backing Grassley’s investigation to stop, even though he often promotes error himself).

        At this point in the game, it’d probably be best for saints to study the OT (specifically, the Books of I-II Kings and Chronicles), as it was just as messy as the political landscape is today….and QUITE REMINISIENT . Remember Jehu (II Kings 9-10 )?
     I’ve always found it funny the man was raised up by the Lord to call out/repay the wickedness of Ahab/destroy his evil influence…..and yet so much error was BLATANTLY tolerated in his side of the street. Minus the fact that the man went FAR beyond the Lord’s command with his senseless slaughter/bloodbath (which he was denounced  for later by the prophet Hosea, Hosea 1:4-5)The man eliminated one form of idolatry, Baal worship, only to uphold another by continuing to worship the golden calves Jeroboam had set up which CAUSED THE FALL OF ISRAEL TO BEGIN WITH:

    I Kings 12:25-33

    1 Kings 13-14

    II Chronicles 13

    When studying the actions of Jehu, one quickly realizes that his motives were more political than spiritual.

    If he had destroyed the golden calves, his people would’ve traveled to the temple in Jerusalem, in the rival southern kingdom, and worshipped there (which is why Jeroboam set them up in the first place).Baal worship was associated with the dynasty of Ahab, so it was politically ADVANTAGEOUS to destroy Baal. The golden calves, on the other hand, had a longer history in the northern kingdom and were validated by ALL POLITICAL FACTIONS.Baal Worship was anti-GOD (IN THE OBVIOUS SENSE), BUT THe golden calves were thought by many to be the visible representations of God himself, even though God’s law clearly stated that such worship was idolatrous (Exodus 20:3-6)( Exodus 32)
    As the Word shows, Jehu was devoted to God only to the point that obediance served his own interests….and like Jehu, the same is happening today when men in the name of GODLINESS are denouncing the sins of others while excusing sin in their own lives. Hucakabee coming against the dangers of MORMONISM yet  never  speaking the dangerous practices of those he’s working with (i.e. Hagee, Copeland, etc) is just another example of this.

    Aint nothin’ new under the sun, Brah………(Ecclesiastes 1:9)

  27. Gxg--G2 Says:

    Gxg, Art123 is a female.

    Ohh………my bad.

  28. Gxg--G2 Says:

    Proverbs 28:4

    Those who forsake the law praise the wicked, but those who keep the law resist them.

         Thought it’d be relevant to bring this up, in line with what Sister Art123 said about religion/politics going together & those promoting herectical teachings not having any problem with it.

    As another wisely said of this proverb,

    "Wicked people will speak well of one another, and so strengthen one another’s hands in their wicked ways

  29. Gxg--G2 Says:

    One covetous man will bless and praise another, whom the Lord abhors, and commend his covetousness as frugality and good husbandry: one proud man will call another happy, and praise him as a man of spirit, that will not debase himself, but keep up his authority, rank, and dignity

  30. art123 Says:

    It’s ok, Gxg.  To comment on the book of Mormons, though I have never read their ‘bible’, I’ve heard that they have a passage in there that says that God ‘cursed’ the black race.  In saying that, they cursed themselves.  If only they knew how much God loves blacks.  If only blacks themselves knew as well.  Have you ever noticed that whatever the devil say, it is totally the opposite of what God said and planned?  That’s what happened at the Garden of Eden.

  31. Gxg--G2 Says:

    Yep…….and IMHO, I’ve often noticed that what he says is often a play off of sincere desires people have. No one just automatically FLIES INTO error & APOSTASY or says "I’m gonna choose sin, DEATH, & DESTRUCTION!!!". It’s often much more subtle/seemingly innocent than most realize.

  32. art123 Says:

    That’s why the Holy Spirit, through the apostles gave us guidelines as to how to deal with the devil.

  33. healtheland Says:

    Check this site out. It is frightening.

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