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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/11/15/barry_bonds_indicted/comment-page-1/#comment-7153</link>
		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;cite&gt;djenk23&lt;/cite&gt; - If you&#039;re playing a game that you should have already been retired from, the roids are doing something to keep the numbers up, because otherwise he&#039;d have no numbers at all.&#160; If they were not helping, the names &lt;strong&gt;Bonds &lt;/strong&gt;and &lt;strong&gt;BALCO &lt;/strong&gt;would never have come together at all.&#160; Nobody cheating would dare touch the stuff if it did not offer them some boost.

Hank Aaron was putting them out the park.&#160; Not out the park and out the stadium too!&#160; The roids have increased Bonds&#039; batting power and the speed at which he can leverage that hand eye coordination for longer periods of time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><cite>djenk23</cite> &#8211; If you&#8217;re playing a game that you should have already been retired from, the roids are doing something to keep the numbers up, because otherwise he&#8217;d have no numbers at all.&nbsp; If they were not helping, the names <strong>Bonds </strong>and <strong>BALCO </strong>would never have come together at all.&nbsp; Nobody cheating would dare touch the stuff if it did not offer them some boost.</p>
<p>Hank Aaron was putting them out the park.&nbsp; Not out the park and out the stadium too!&nbsp; The roids have increased Bonds&#8217; batting power and the speed at which he can leverage that hand eye coordination for longer periods of time.</p>
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		<title>By: djenk23</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/11/15/barry_bonds_indicted/comment-page-1/#comment-7152</link>
		<dc:creator>djenk23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 15:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but numbers were inflated across the board.....remember Brady Anderson...how bout Luis Gonzalez...Sammy Sosa...how do you figure that&#160;Barry would perform poorly in comparison to others if everyone was juicing?....before he started&#160;using, he was already a MVP caliber home run hitter....he was the prototype for Ken Griffey Jr.....im sorry but it still comes down to hand eye coordination which is not affected by steroids....those steroids arent helping Bonds stay up....they are breaking him down...they are the reason he&#039;s been hurt so much...i know you remember all those football players from the 70&#039;s and 80&#039;s that are now dead from steroid use....the same thing will probably happen to Bonds...as far as age goes, Hank Aaron played 22 years in the majors and was still putting balls out the park....does that make him a&#160;steroid head?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but numbers were inflated across the board&#8230;..remember Brady Anderson&#8230;how bout Luis Gonzalez&#8230;Sammy Sosa&#8230;how do you figure that&nbsp;Barry would perform poorly in comparison to others if everyone was juicing?&#8230;.before he started&nbsp;using, he was already a MVP caliber home run hitter&#8230;.he was the prototype for Ken Griffey Jr&#8230;..im sorry but it still comes down to hand eye coordination which is not affected by steroids&#8230;.those steroids arent helping Bonds stay up&#8230;.they are breaking him down&#8230;they are the reason he&#8217;s been hurt so much&#8230;i know you remember all those football players from the 70&#8217;s and 80&#8217;s that are now dead from steroid use&#8230;.the same thing will probably happen to Bonds&#8230;as far as age goes, Hank Aaron played 22 years in the majors and was still putting balls out the park&#8230;.does that make him a&nbsp;steroid head?</p>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/11/15/barry_bonds_indicted/comment-page-1/#comment-7151</link>
		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;cite&gt;djenk23&lt;/cite&gt; - If everybody is on juice that still means numbers are inflated across the board.&#160; It&#039;s not just a &quot;hand-eye&quot; coordination matter with Barry Bonds no more than with Roger Clemens.&#160; Obviously Clemens should already be retired and it&#039;s highly suspicious that he&#039;s competitive enough to play at all.&#160; And if everyone was juicing, wouldn&#039;t he still be performing poorly in comparison to others at this point?&#160; Bonds seemed to keep coming back from injuries that we&#039;ve seen put others out of the game and Bonds seemed to continually put balls out the park even in old age.&#160; The juice helps someone like Bonds put more balls out of the park, on top of giving him the ability to still make it to the plate at his age.

There&#039;s a lots of juice in the game, but I can&#039;t say &lt;em&gt;everybody is doing it&lt;/em&gt;.&#160; Way too many are doing it, but if everybody was doing it, a guy like Roger Clemens would be lackluster in comparison with others at his age.

And then there&#039;s that whole Mafia gambling angle...can&#039;t forget that when considering cheating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><cite>djenk23</cite> &#8211; If everybody is on juice that still means numbers are inflated across the board.&nbsp; It&#8217;s not just a &quot;hand-eye&quot; coordination matter with Barry Bonds no more than with Roger Clemens.&nbsp; Obviously Clemens should already be retired and it&#8217;s highly suspicious that he&#8217;s competitive enough to play at all.&nbsp; And if everyone was juicing, wouldn&#8217;t he still be performing poorly in comparison to others at this point?&nbsp; Bonds seemed to keep coming back from injuries that we&#8217;ve seen put others out of the game and Bonds seemed to continually put balls out the park even in old age.&nbsp; The juice helps someone like Bonds put more balls out of the park, on top of giving him the ability to still make it to the plate at his age.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a lots of juice in the game, but I can&#8217;t say <em>everybody is doing it</em>.&nbsp; Way too many are doing it, but if everybody was doing it, a guy like Roger Clemens would be lackluster in comparison with others at his age.</p>
<p>And then there&#8217;s that whole Mafia gambling angle&#8230;can&#8217;t forget that when considering cheating.</p>
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		<title>By: djenk23</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/11/15/barry_bonds_indicted/comment-page-1/#comment-7150</link>
		<dc:creator>djenk23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#160;dont think Barry Bonds stats are inflated....to me, this is the juiced era....everybody was taking steroids...how can Roger Clemens still be a power pitcher at 40 some odd years old?...Paul Byrd got caught buying HGH....the first person to be suspended under the new steroid policy was a pitcher.....so it still comes back to Barry Bonds&#039; hand-eye coordination which&#160;has always been superior to other baseball players...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&nbsp;dont think Barry Bonds stats are inflated&#8230;.to me, this is the juiced era&#8230;.everybody was taking steroids&#8230;how can Roger Clemens still be a power pitcher at 40 some odd years old?&#8230;Paul Byrd got caught buying HGH&#8230;.the first person to be suspended under the new steroid policy was a pitcher&#8230;..so it still comes back to Barry Bonds&#8217; hand-eye coordination which&nbsp;has always been superior to other baseball players&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/11/15/barry_bonds_indicted/comment-page-1/#comment-7149</link>
		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 02:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;We get it IC. You don&#8217;t like Barry.&lt;/blockquote&gt;I don&#039;t like liars and I run this place so I&#039;ll repeat it as often as I wish.

&lt;blockquote&gt;His stats are exceptional, but ARE in line with Aaron&#8217;s level of (also) exceptional performance for the time period on which he played.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;His stats are inflated.&#160; They, as I&#039;ve already shown are over and above Aaron&#039;s level, because Barry cheated.

Regarding his personality, as I mentioned I once supported the man.&#160; Till he started lying.

What if Barry pleads GUILTY?&#160; Will you affirm that he&#039;s a cheater then?

And trying to claim that because he&#039;s Black he did what he did is again showing that you&#039;re really running out of gas.&#160; Plenty of Whites have many of the MLB records, despite Blacks being in the game long enough to break every one of them.&#160; When left with no other defense, pull that &lt;strong&gt;race card!&lt;/strong&gt;&#160; You&#039;re race card means nothing to me, given I&#039;m Black too and see right through that smoke.

&lt;cite&gt;KyleAndrews&lt;/cite&gt;&#160; - I think you&#039;ve landed a firm knock out blow on our friend west2nd.&#160; But let&#039;s&#160; avoid&#160; calling him an outright &lt;em&gt;fool&lt;/em&gt;.&#160; We know he&#039;s got no foundation to stand on, but let&#039;s cut him&lt;em&gt; just a little&lt;/em&gt; slack :) .

I&#039;m not going to say every baby comes out the womb with exactly the same abilities, that is not true.&#160; However, those who work to do better for themselves in an area are usually the ones who are successful at it.&#160; Sometimes one person may have a slight advantage.&#160; As I&#039;ve noted, the mesomorph physique is rare.&#160; Not everybody can be a legit body builder.&#160; Like it or not, some babies test higher earlier in mental tests than others.&#160; Still, even with any advantages someone might have, those inherit advantages are often mitigated when others focus on training to excel, instead of whining about someone else.

But never mind all that.&#160; Barry cheated.&#160; He went from rail to muscle-head, with his numbers going up at the same time.&#160; My family is full of hard working Blacks.&#160; But they just don&#039;t seem to blow up in muscle mass with age.&#160; I&#039;ve known hard working Blacks and watched Blacks in sports my whole life and have some good athletes in my own family.&#160; Just can&#039;t say I&#039;ve seen people blow up like Barry Bonds.&#160; But some would like for us to beleive it&#039;s because he&#039;s Black :lol: .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>We get it IC. You don&rsquo;t like Barry.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t like liars and I run this place so I&#8217;ll repeat it as often as I wish.</p>
<blockquote><p>His stats are exceptional, but ARE in line with Aaron&rsquo;s level of (also) exceptional performance for the time period on which he played.
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<p>His stats are inflated.&nbsp; They, as I&#8217;ve already shown are over and above Aaron&#8217;s level, because Barry cheated.</p>
<p>Regarding his personality, as I mentioned I once supported the man.&nbsp; Till he started lying.</p>
<p>What if Barry pleads GUILTY?&nbsp; Will you affirm that he&#8217;s a cheater then?</p>
<p>And trying to claim that because he&#8217;s Black he did what he did is again showing that you&#8217;re really running out of gas.&nbsp; Plenty of Whites have many of the MLB records, despite Blacks being in the game long enough to break every one of them.&nbsp; When left with no other defense, pull that <strong>race card!</strong>&nbsp; You&#8217;re race card means nothing to me, given I&#8217;m Black too and see right through that smoke.</p>
<p><cite>KyleAndrews</cite>&nbsp; &#8211; I think you&#8217;ve landed a firm knock out blow on our friend west2nd.&nbsp; But let&#8217;s&nbsp; avoid&nbsp; calling him an outright <em>fool</em>.&nbsp; We know he&#8217;s got no foundation to stand on, but let&#8217;s cut him<em> just a little</em> slack <img src='http://www.independentconservative.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  .</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to say every baby comes out the womb with exactly the same abilities, that is not true.&nbsp; However, those who work to do better for themselves in an area are usually the ones who are successful at it.&nbsp; Sometimes one person may have a slight advantage.&nbsp; As I&#8217;ve noted, the mesomorph physique is rare.&nbsp; Not everybody can be a legit body builder.&nbsp; Like it or not, some babies test higher earlier in mental tests than others.&nbsp; Still, even with any advantages someone might have, those inherit advantages are often mitigated when others focus on training to excel, instead of whining about someone else.</p>
<p>But never mind all that.&nbsp; Barry cheated.&nbsp; He went from rail to muscle-head, with his numbers going up at the same time.&nbsp; My family is full of hard working Blacks.&nbsp; But they just don&#8217;t seem to blow up in muscle mass with age.&nbsp; I&#8217;ve known hard working Blacks and watched Blacks in sports my whole life and have some good athletes in my own family.&nbsp; Just can&#8217;t say I&#8217;ve seen people blow up like Barry Bonds.&nbsp; But some would like for us to beleive it&#8217;s because he&#8217;s Black <img src='http://www.independentconservative.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' />  .</p>
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		<title>By: Copeland8</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/11/15/barry_bonds_indicted/comment-page-1/#comment-7148</link>
		<dc:creator>Copeland8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 02:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think one race is superior to the other in anything. I believe that superiority is falsely promoted because of a lack of opportunities which can make ceratin races appear to be inferior. But the truth of the matter is that all people are God&#039;s creation and all blood is blue until oxygen hits sit. Skin color really has no basis for much except as a distinguishing feature</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think one race is superior to the other in anything. I believe that superiority is falsely promoted because of a lack of opportunities which can make ceratin races appear to be inferior. But the truth of the matter is that all people are God&#8217;s creation and all blood is blue until oxygen hits sit. Skin color really has no basis for much except as a distinguishing feature</p>
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		<title>By: KyleAndrews</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/11/15/barry_bonds_indicted/comment-page-1/#comment-7147</link>
		<dc:creator>KyleAndrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 01:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>West2nd,

I guess if your premise is correct than the recent discovery by a renowned scientist claims that Africans are mentally inferior to whites.&#160; It is simply a fact that you can observe anytime you see all the greatest inventions created in the last 200 years have been by whites.&#160; BTW, how many &quot;Africans&quot; could play sports.&#160; I didn&#039;t say African Americans, I said Africans.&#160; 

West2nd your a fool.

Kyle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>West2nd,</p>
<p>I guess if your premise is correct than the recent discovery by a renowned scientist claims that Africans are mentally inferior to whites.&nbsp; It is simply a fact that you can observe anytime you see all the greatest inventions created in the last 200 years have been by whites.&nbsp; BTW, how many &quot;Africans&quot; could play sports.&nbsp; I didn&#8217;t say African Americans, I said Africans.&nbsp; </p>
<p>West2nd your a fool.</p>
<p>Kyle</p>
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		<title>By: west2nd</title>
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		<dc:creator>west2nd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 01:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And IC, it&#039;s no secret that Blacks have shown a historic superiority in overall athletic ability. All it took for that to be demonstrated was their finally being allowed to participate in greater numbers in college and professional sports. That has nothing to do with racist stereotyping. It is simply a fact that you can observe anytime you watch ESPN. So what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And IC, it&#8217;s no secret that Blacks have shown a historic superiority in overall athletic ability. All it took for that to be demonstrated was their finally being allowed to participate in greater numbers in college and professional sports. That has nothing to do with racist stereotyping. It is simply a fact that you can observe anytime you watch ESPN. So what?</p>
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		<title>By: west2nd</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/11/15/barry_bonds_indicted/comment-page-1/#comment-7144</link>
		<dc:creator>west2nd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 01:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We get it IC. You don&#039;t like Barry. His stats are exceptional, but ARE in line with Aaron&#039;s level of (also) exceptional performance for the time period on which he played.
I do not support cheating. That takes all of the fun out of the competition as far as I&#039;m concerned, and is a ripoff to the fans who pay. 

However, I&#039;m not going to impugn the guy and join the bandwagon because he is unpopular as a personality.

We&#039;ll see what happens when the legal process is done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We get it IC. You don&#8217;t like Barry. His stats are exceptional, but ARE in line with Aaron&#8217;s level of (also) exceptional performance for the time period on which he played.<br />
I do not support cheating. That takes all of the fun out of the competition as far as I&#8217;m concerned, and is a ripoff to the fans who pay. </p>
<p>However, I&#8217;m not going to impugn the guy and join the bandwagon because he is unpopular as a personality.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll see what happens when the legal process is done.</p>
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		<title>By: art123</title>
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		<dc:creator>art123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, IC because that rapper T.I. is supposed to be under the jail cell.&#160; He got off on a $3M bail. &#160;I know, different person and different line of entertainment, but I used him as an example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, IC because that rapper T.I. is supposed to be under the jail cell.&nbsp; He got off on a $3M bail. &nbsp;I know, different person and different line of entertainment, but I used him as an example.</p>
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