And a shame it did not happen with a full trial BEFORE Bonds was allowed to play this prior season and THE TRUE HOME RUN KING HANK AARON was pressed to congratulate someone who very likely cheated to break a record he (Hank Aaron) won honestly amid REAL hostility.
BARRY BONDS INDICTED ON PERJURY, OBSTRUCTION CHARGES
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MLB knew in my opinion that big time cheating was going on. But they let it continue with soft slaps at best. People were even dying from the dope! Not till Congress jumped in (which was really political grandstanding on their part) did MLB do a bit more AND IMMEDIATELY WE SAW HOME RUN AVERAGES PLUMMET. Total confirmation in my mind that there was a whole lot of dirt in the game and probably still is.
Lie to Federal investigators, go to (federal) prison. If it was good enough for Martha Stewart, it’s good enough for Barry Bonds.
Hat tip to reader misaligned_user.
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November 16th, 2007 at 6:44 am
Naw, I can’t agree with you on this one. If you are going to lock up one man for lying about steroids (if in fact he lied), then your treatment should be even. Mark McGwire pretty much admitted to being a steroids user. However, have you noticed that he was allowed to keep his "record" and ice skate away from the scene unscathed?
Fairness is what I’m looking for and if you cannot indict them all, then don’t witch hunt on certain ones.
LennieG
November 16th, 2007 at 9:20 am
Lennie, there are a couple things you should know.
If you’d like more "fairness", Marion Jones probably should also be locked up if she was questioned by the grand jury.
If you want those who spoke before Congress locked up, McGwire’s use was well known, so you can’t touch him. You’d have to ask for Sammy Sosa to be locked up given he in my opinion did a real dance before Congress. Congress has not asked for anybody who testified before them to be locked up.
This all has been fair, but you need to get up to speed on the details.
November 16th, 2007 at 10:52 am
Do you ever listen to Stephen A. Smith? He is a sports journalist. He spoke extensively about this topic yesterday and made it clear that this is a witch hunt on Barry Bonds.
Of all the folks in the sports world who use steroids and who lie, how did Bonds end up being the one being put under the gun with a threat of being dragged off to jail.
I’ll take your advice and read up some more on this but it’s going to take a lot to convince me that he needs to be jailed. Look at Wayne Gretzky. His case mysteriously disappeared from the media when in fact his wife had been betting on the game.
Something is fishy here.
LennieG (Lynn)
November 16th, 2007 at 11:16 am
Stephen A. Smith is wrong and often is. To be honest, I think Stephen A. Smith knows the details I’m telling you and is spinning it for the sake of keeping his role as a controversy stirrer. He gets more words out of claiming a witch hunt where there is none than simply saying that this was long overdue.
What’s fishy is that people like Stephen A. Smith’s mouth would be shut if in all this the names McGwire and Bonds were swapped and it was McGwire being indicted as part of the Balco scandal.
I can’t speak on the Wayne Gretzky matter, but that’s a totally separate case. It does not negate that Bonds being indicted was long overdue and is fair regarding the players involved. It’s only possibly "unfair" that Marion Jones has not been indicted if she spoke to the grand jury. And I could list MANY Black players who break laws all the time without being locked up. That is, if you feel there’s some racial inequity going on, I can pile on with Blacks that get off easy to show just the opposite. The last person banned from baseball was a White man named Pete Rose.
I’m still waiting for Lance Armstrong to be busted. I’m convinced he was juicing, but that’s a French case and every effort was made to catch him, in part because he’s American and I’m not upset with their efforts one bit. And they did catch the guy after Lance who was juicing and I’m glad they did.
November 16th, 2007 at 11:52 am
It would be interesting to know if the WWE is being considered for investigation, considering their wrestlers have been dropping dead for years, and words out that they take steroids too.
November 16th, 2007 at 1:06 pm
With Marion Jones, I forgot when she gave her public "confession", it was because she plead guilty to lying to federal investigators, see Jones pleads guilty, admits lying about steroids. I just hope she also attempted to apologize to her ex-husband C. J. Hunter who she basically threw under the bus while she tried to front like she was clean.
This is an interesting quote from the article:
There continue to be investigations into groups like the WWE, especially after the Chris Benoit mess. But investigators never seem able to crack a case when going directly after the sports league or its players. I know WWE is just entertainment and staged.
With BALCO, what was different is that investigators were able to take down a big time elite supplier of the designer dope. With that, the names came out.
Many in groups like the WWE are getting prescriptions from various small time doctors. That’s how Chris Benoit was getting his supply of dope. Take down one bad doctor and you’ve only exposed 1 client (like a wrestler) who is known. BALCO was a big time supplier to so many, that once they went down, the whole house of cards had to fall.
BALCO also was different because they designed dope to avoid detection for professional athletes that were possibly going to be regularly tested. With groups like the WWE, those guys get a doctor to give them the dope based on a bogus or trumped up injury. And there are so many various doctors doing it. But BALCO was like one gigantic mountain begging to be knocked down. There were not doctors claiming the stuff was a needed prescription. It was all a front from top to bottom that could not be masked as “doctors orders”. Remember, Mark McGuire went the prescription route, he let everybody know and MLB allowed it. Not that I like that, but sometimes it’s not the crime, but the cover-up that nails you.
November 16th, 2007 at 7:15 pm
It doesn’t matter what area of sports entertainment it is. The main issue is that steroid use is being acknowledged and that something must be done. I am not certain but steroid use have been tied to domestic abuse with these athletes.
November 16th, 2007 at 8:18 pm
Very much so. There’s of course Chris Benoit, who some would like to claim was not because of steroids, but I say it was a factor.
There’s Miss Elizabeth and Lex Lugar. Read about how she died and was allegedly abused by Lugar in this portion of an article on Wikipedia. They both were doing various sorts of drugs, including steroids and drinking. I met her once at a sports bar in Atlanta. You would have never known.
Barry Bonds’ mistress has noted that Barry also had rage issues because of it. See: Barry Bonds’ Alleged Mistress Speaks Out
The juice makes them get hostile in what is called roid rage.
November 16th, 2007 at 9:42 pm
IC,
I’d figure it played a part in domestic violence. I’ll admit, though wrestling is entertainment, it was interesting to watch. I remember when I left church for awhile, I used to take my daughter to Madison Square Garden when the WWF(former name) was in town. I saw The Rock (I’m blushing), Stone Cold, and others. I ran into the pastor of my old church, and when I told him I was going to the Garden, he threw Ephesians 6:12 at me. A little while afterwards, I returned to the house of worship. About Bonds, not to be judgmental, but if she had a relationship with him first, don’t you think she would be the one he marry? You hear about situations like that and it’s a slap in the face. Well, everything does happen for a reason.
November 16th, 2007 at 9:53 pm
I don’t mean to go on about wrestling, but you may have heard that Stone Cold was arrested for beating up his manager ex-wife Debra Michaels some time back. They had a special on tv this year about Chris Benoit and steroid use. She and ex-wrestler Chyna said that steroid use is rampant in the WWE and Vince McMahon turned his back on this problem. Micheals also blamed steroids for his rages.
November 17th, 2007 at 5:05 am
art123 - In all this, keep in mind that unregenerate people will continue to do bad things and without being in Christ it occurs with no true sense of conviction. When the sinner feels shame for sin without desiring Christ, they run to things like drugs for relief or other things outside of Christ. Their flesh leads them to depression, because they can’t justify themselves, 1 Timothy 1:8-11. Or with no shame they live in self indulgence rather than to submit to Christ, Luke 9:23. Although the degrees of what a sinner may do vary, the bottom line is that without Christ, there is no true hope for them. Fame and fans can’t justify a man before God, no more than muscles or a sharp physical tone.
1 Timothy 4:7-8 (New American Standard Bible)
We try to seek order and press for good, but our true mission is Christ. What all including the athlete or entertainer need more than a drug test is the message of Christ.
November 17th, 2007 at 6:49 am
I’ve met Hank Aaron several times, and he is an absolute gentleman. I have no desire to meet Barry Bonds. What a contrast between two men, and what an injustice that a person of Bonds’ low character should be allowed to write Mr Aaron out of the record books.
November 17th, 2007 at 6:52 am
BTW, Screamin’ Stephen A. Smith is absolutely terrible on the radio. He needs a Valium or something before airtime.
November 18th, 2007 at 7:36 am
Steroids can’t help you connect over 700 times with a 100 MPH fastball, sinker or curveball.
Let’s see the jury decision before we condemn Bonds.
November 18th, 2007 at 12:23 pm
Steroids CAN help you put that ball out of the park after you’ve connected with it.
Let’s stop laying cover for Bonds.
You’d have to be an idiot to see him in earlier years versus now, plus the statements of VARIOUS people condemning him, including his former mistress and act as if you need to wait to decide on this man.
November 18th, 2007 at 12:52 pm
IC, you have to give it to west2nd because the law of this land says that you are innocent until proven guilty. Therefore, you do have to let the jury decide. There are testimonies of witnesses already against him, but it has to play out in court.
November 18th, 2007 at 1:08 pm
I don’t have to wait for the jury in this case any more than I know I’d never leave young children around Michael Jackson.
November 18th, 2007 at 1:13 pm
And if Barry Bonds were half a man he’d plead guilty. Even Marion Jones (a female) stopped trying to cover.
A man’s body does NOT naturally go from skinny rail to mesomorph, with a head like an ox. The unnatural head growth is just one of many signs he was on steroids.
Many who cover for Bonds would not dare let a politician of their opposing political view off so easy if accused of wrong doing. But because he’s a lauded god with a bat in his hand, Barry gets cover. Not from me.
November 18th, 2007 at 1:15 pm
I understand, IC. When you know what you know about a person, you avoid them at all cost. What I am saying is that Bonds, like everybody else has to have a trial, that’s all.
November 18th, 2007 at 1:34 pm
Yes I understand and respect that.
For now, this nation allows enough freedom for me to proclaim that I feel Barry Bonds is guilty as homemade sin. And I don’t have to wait for a trial to say that. I’ve felt it even before the indictment.
Likewise I feel Lance Armstrong is guilty, but for some odd reason nobody wants to speak up for him. Oh I wonder why…
I have met people who speak in defense of Lance, but they never speak in defense of Barry. And when I meet people who defend Barry, they’ve got nothing to say in defense of Lance. I guess it depends on what sport you like
. (Yes I’m being totally sarcastic in that last sentence.)
November 18th, 2007 at 1:48 pm
IC, you never know where God is going with this. With Armstrong, it may be when he leave this earth or at a latter time of his life that all of the dirt on him may come out. I notice many times when these celebrities croak, you find out more dirt about them than they were alive.
November 18th, 2007 at 3:53 pm
So I guess all the homers that he hit before his so-called "growth" were just flukes. Come on. Let’s not condemn him just because we do not like his personality or attitude.
If he is guilty, it will come out. Unless you have privileged info that the rest of us don’t, or were actually there when he allegedly took said "steroids" , I’ll wait for the jury.
There are PLENTY of examples of people who have had dramatic muscle growth via legal means. If that is the case, we need to indict all of them too.
November 18th, 2007 at 4:04 pm
By the way, if you compare Bonds’ stats to Aaron’s over the course of their careers, you will see that there is not that much discrepancy. A a matter of fact, I would give Bonds a handicap considering he played in ballparks that were larger and against more pitchers that threw faster and harder that the ones playing in Aaron’s day.
Bottom-line, it takes skill to hit home runs.
Let’s see what the courts say.
November 18th, 2007 at 5:30 pm
For the record, before he was dodging, lying and denying that he does dope (of course that’s my opinion and I have a right to it) I was very much a defender of Barry Bonds. His HR numbers changed with his size.
I have the obvious. But you can wait for the jury. I do beleive that’s why they could never nab Al Capone. They could never make it all stick for a trial, but everyone knew he was guilty. Not that Bonds is a gangster, but I guess if we were back in those days you’d stand up for Capone too? Gotta wait till the jury says he’s guilty right?
Not like Barry if they were not a natural mesomorph, which Barry Bonds is not. If the others were working with BALCO, I’m sure the investigators will start questioning them.
In my opinion, the steroids are why Barry Bonds:
Bottom line, you know he took the roids.
We can do this as long as you wish. I’m here every day
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November 18th, 2007 at 6:55 pm
This isn’t a contest of who’s right. People are convicted based on "obvious" circumstantial evidence all the time only to later be found to be not guilty.
So again, until he is found legally guilty in a court of law (that is still our right as US citizens), I’ll reserve final judgement since I personally do not have all the PROVEN FACTS.
November 18th, 2007 at 6:58 pm
Even Al Capone had the right to a jury trial ans could only be convicted IN COURT based on PROVABLE FACTS.
November 18th, 2007 at 7:03 pm
And I suspect you’ll be saying just that if he is found guilty.
And even Al Capone did all he could to dodge conviction while he was oh so guilty.
November 18th, 2007 at 7:08 pm
By the way, you need to check the yearly HR stats for Aaron and Bonds. They are fairly close.
Bonds’ physical performance is relative to his peers (pitchers) overall increase in size and speed.
If you look at most Black athletes who have had a career that spans over 10-15 years, you will see a significant increase in size and strength due to physical maturity and the need to increase said size and strength to maintain a level of performance and avoid injury.
That in and of itself is not evidence of steroids.
November 18th, 2007 at 7:11 pm
"And I suspect you’ll be saying just that if he is found guilty."
No. if Bonds is found guilty in a COURT OF LAW (as I have suggested several times), I’ll accept the verdict.
But not until then.
November 18th, 2007 at 7:17 pm
Not sure where you’ve been looking, because an objective comparison shows that Bonds just so happened to perform better than Hank Aaron. (steroids, big time)
From the link above:
Bonds sure was knocking them out the park faster than the true HR king. I wonder why…NO I DON’T, STEROIDS!!!
You don’t hit the most HRs in MLB history by being in line with your peers. And Barry’s numbers took some very big leaps along with his body mass. More than others. Even more than others who have already admitted to doing the dope.
And the whole Blacks grow like that line is utter garbage. You’re starting to bore me.
I’ve found a great poem for anyone who wants to check it out:
Ode to the Rise and Fall of Barry Bonds
November 18th, 2007 at 8:26 pm
Let’s just watch the outcome of the Incredible Hulk. I used to love that TV show.
November 18th, 2007 at 9:17 pm
Hank Aaron broke Babe Ruths record and did it with style and grace. Hammerin Hank was in fear for his life because of a possible backlash from racism at the time. Bonds on the other hand is cocky and arrogant. He also likes to play the race card when people question him. However, this is hardly the case today. He just pulls out that trump card when it’s convenient. Barry Bonds is a disgrace.
Kyle
November 19th, 2007 at 7:23 pm
I wonder if his age factor should be in question, knocking home runs like that. Most athletes in his age range usually retire. Is this correct?
November 19th, 2007 at 9:19 pm
Very correct. Many a player once upon a time went into retirement after facing injuries like Bonds seemed to come back from.
November 20th, 2007 at 2:47 pm
I just have one more comment about wrestling athletes. Those guys are on the road for over 300 days and it is a very physical job. Imagine taking steroids for that amount of time on the road for years in the business. No wonder they are dropping dead like flies. Your heart and body can’t take it after awhile. Back to Bonds, I wonder if his personality would make a difference in how the judge and jury would rule the case. I believe if the judge and jury don’t like you, although they are supposed to put their feelings aside, he can get a stiffer sentence. Bonds is a public figure and I’ve heard nasty comments from both the media and others. He doesn’t like to sign autographs. We would have to wait for the outcome. Just my opinion.
November 20th, 2007 at 2:57 pm
If Bonds does not plead guilty, which he just might do, his attorneys I’m sure know the kind of profile for people they’ll press to have in the jury. Sports fans have heard so much about the case they probably would not be part of the jury. People who are not sports fans probably don’t know much about Bonds at all.
I have my doubts this will ever go to trial. Bonds has his money (which is what he wanted) and will probably take a plea deal to avoid serious jail time. His lawyers are probably spending more time trying to make sure the teams he played for can’t ask for any of the money back.
November 20th, 2007 at 3:07 pm
You’re right, IC because that rapper T.I. is supposed to be under the jail cell. He got off on a $3M bail. I know, different person and different line of entertainment, but I used him as an example.
November 20th, 2007 at 8:34 pm
We get it IC. You don’t like Barry. His stats are exceptional, but ARE in line with Aaron’s level of (also) exceptional performance for the time period on which he played.
I do not support cheating. That takes all of the fun out of the competition as far as I’m concerned, and is a ripoff to the fans who pay.
However, I’m not going to impugn the guy and join the bandwagon because he is unpopular as a personality.
We’ll see what happens when the legal process is done.
November 20th, 2007 at 8:39 pm
And IC, it’s no secret that Blacks have shown a historic superiority in overall athletic ability. All it took for that to be demonstrated was their finally being allowed to participate in greater numbers in college and professional sports. That has nothing to do with racist stereotyping. It is simply a fact that you can observe anytime you watch ESPN. So what?
November 20th, 2007 at 8:56 pm
West2nd,
I guess if your premise is correct than the recent discovery by a renowned scientist claims that Africans are mentally inferior to whites. It is simply a fact that you can observe anytime you see all the greatest inventions created in the last 200 years have been by whites. BTW, how many "Africans" could play sports. I didn’t say African Americans, I said Africans.
West2nd your a fool.
Kyle
November 20th, 2007 at 9:34 pm
I don’t think one race is superior to the other in anything. I believe that superiority is falsely promoted because of a lack of opportunities which can make ceratin races appear to be inferior. But the truth of the matter is that all people are God’s creation and all blood is blue until oxygen hits sit. Skin color really has no basis for much except as a distinguishing feature
November 20th, 2007 at 9:58 pm
I don’t like liars and I run this place so I’ll repeat it as often as I wish.
His stats are inflated. They, as I’ve already shown are over and above Aaron’s level, because Barry cheated.
Regarding his personality, as I mentioned I once supported the man. Till he started lying.
What if Barry pleads GUILTY? Will you affirm that he’s a cheater then?
And trying to claim that because he’s Black he did what he did is again showing that you’re really running out of gas. Plenty of Whites have many of the MLB records, despite Blacks being in the game long enough to break every one of them. When left with no other defense, pull that race card! You’re race card means nothing to me, given I’m Black too and see right through that smoke.
KyleAndrews - I think you’ve landed a firm knock out blow on our friend west2nd. But let’s avoid calling him an outright fool. We know he’s got no foundation to stand on, but let’s cut him just a little slack
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I’m not going to say every baby comes out the womb with exactly the same abilities, that is not true. However, those who work to do better for themselves in an area are usually the ones who are successful at it. Sometimes one person may have a slight advantage. As I’ve noted, the mesomorph physique is rare. Not everybody can be a legit body builder. Like it or not, some babies test higher earlier in mental tests than others. Still, even with any advantages someone might have, those inherit advantages are often mitigated when others focus on training to excel, instead of whining about someone else.
But never mind all that. Barry cheated. He went from rail to muscle-head, with his numbers going up at the same time. My family is full of hard working Blacks. But they just don’t seem to blow up in muscle mass with age. I’ve known hard working Blacks and watched Blacks in sports my whole life and have some good athletes in my own family. Just can’t say I’ve seen people blow up like Barry Bonds. But some would like for us to beleive it’s because he’s Black
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November 21st, 2007 at 9:06 am
I dont think Barry Bonds stats are inflated….to me, this is the juiced era….everybody was taking steroids…how can Roger Clemens still be a power pitcher at 40 some odd years old?…Paul Byrd got caught buying HGH….the first person to be suspended under the new steroid policy was a pitcher…..so it still comes back to Barry Bonds’ hand-eye coordination which has always been superior to other baseball players…
November 21st, 2007 at 9:59 am
djenk23 - If everybody is on juice that still means numbers are inflated across the board. It’s not just a "hand-eye" coordination matter with Barry Bonds no more than with Roger Clemens. Obviously Clemens should already be retired and it’s highly suspicious that he’s competitive enough to play at all. And if everyone was juicing, wouldn’t he still be performing poorly in comparison to others at this point? Bonds seemed to keep coming back from injuries that we’ve seen put others out of the game and Bonds seemed to continually put balls out the park even in old age. The juice helps someone like Bonds put more balls out of the park, on top of giving him the ability to still make it to the plate at his age.
There’s a lots of juice in the game, but I can’t say everybody is doing it. Way too many are doing it, but if everybody was doing it, a guy like Roger Clemens would be lackluster in comparison with others at his age.
And then there’s that whole Mafia gambling angle…can’t forget that when considering cheating.
November 21st, 2007 at 10:52 am
but numbers were inflated across the board…..remember Brady Anderson…how bout Luis Gonzalez…Sammy Sosa…how do you figure that Barry would perform poorly in comparison to others if everyone was juicing?….before he started using, he was already a MVP caliber home run hitter….he was the prototype for Ken Griffey Jr…..im sorry but it still comes down to hand eye coordination which is not affected by steroids….those steroids arent helping Bonds stay up….they are breaking him down…they are the reason he’s been hurt so much…i know you remember all those football players from the 70’s and 80’s that are now dead from steroid use….the same thing will probably happen to Bonds…as far as age goes, Hank Aaron played 22 years in the majors and was still putting balls out the park….does that make him a steroid head?
November 21st, 2007 at 11:06 am
djenk23 - If you’re playing a game that you should have already been retired from, the roids are doing something to keep the numbers up, because otherwise he’d have no numbers at all. If they were not helping, the names Bonds and BALCO would never have come together at all. Nobody cheating would dare touch the stuff if it did not offer them some boost.
Hank Aaron was putting them out the park. Not out the park and out the stadium too! The roids have increased Bonds’ batting power and the speed at which he can leverage that hand eye coordination for longer periods of time.