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	<title>Comments on: You Pulpit Pimp Vipers Have Really Done it Now!  Here Comes the Government.  US Senator Chuck Grassley Investigates Pimps.  Will it End in Good?</title>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/11/06/grassley_investigates_pulpit_pimps/comment-page-2/#comment-6968</link>
		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Melvin Jones &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pulpit-pimps.org/archives/2007/11/13/we-can-dream-cant-we&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;offers his take on the situation&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melvin Jones <a href="http://www.pulpit-pimps.org/archives/2007/11/13/we-can-dream-cant-we" rel="nofollow">offers his take on the situation</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Gxg--G2</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/11/06/grassley_investigates_pulpit_pimps/comment-page-2/#comment-6948</link>
		<dc:creator>Gxg--G2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My bad, Brah.......but that&#039;s cool.
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Meant to say earlier that not everything in the videos I&#039;m 100% in agreement with&#160;simply&#160;cause they said. I do my own research too......&#160;But they did have alot factual things neither heard or brought up/thought of often in the media.......enough to make you simply go &quot;hmmmmm...&quot; (lol)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My bad, Brah&#8230;&#8230;.but that&#8217;s cool.<br />
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Meant to say earlier that not everything in the videos I&#8217;m 100% in agreement with&nbsp;simply&nbsp;cause they said. I do my own research too&#8230;&#8230;&nbsp;But they did have alot factual things neither heard or brought up/thought of often in the media&#8230;&#8230;.enough to make you simply go &quot;hmmmmm&#8230;&quot; (lol)</p>
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		<title>By: Gxg--G2</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/11/06/grassley_investigates_pulpit_pimps/comment-page-2/#comment-6946</link>
		<dc:creator>Gxg--G2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Edited by &lt;strong&gt;IndependentConservative&lt;/strong&gt;: Gxg--G2, given this is a flurry of information I have not reviewed (only skimmed) and makes various allegations, I&#039;m not going to let it post here.  I honestly can&#039;t say I stand by what you&#039;re claiming.  (Although the 180 you&#039;re doing is funny because now you&#039;re more skeptical than me :D   :lol:   .)  But people who want to read it can click the link on your account name and read your blog for themselves.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Edited by <strong>IndependentConservative</strong>: Gxg&#8211;G2, given this is a flurry of information I have not reviewed (only skimmed) and makes various allegations, I&#8217;m not going to let it post here.  I honestly can&#8217;t say I stand by what you&#8217;re claiming.  (Although the 180 you&#8217;re doing is funny because now you&#8217;re more skeptical than me <img src='http://www.independentconservative.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />    <img src='http://www.independentconservative.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' />    .)  But people who want to read it can click the link on your account name and read your blog for themselves.</em></p>
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		<title>By: art123</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/11/06/grassley_investigates_pulpit_pimps/comment-page-2/#comment-6941</link>
		<dc:creator>art123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reference to the six minstries that the government is after. These are no new pimps-in-training. They&#039;ve been in the game for over twenty years. However when old pimp empires fall, another one rises up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reference to the six minstries that the government is after. These are no new pimps-in-training. They&#8217;ve been in the game for over twenty years. However when old pimp empires fall, another one rises up.</p>
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		<title>By: SoliDeoGloriaFella</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/11/06/grassley_investigates_pulpit_pimps/comment-page-2/#comment-6940</link>
		<dc:creator>SoliDeoGloriaFella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 06:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Independent Conservative,

I hope this all turns out for the best. You can call me pessimistic, or one with little&#160;faith;&#160;but if the U.S. Government is using hard-earned tax-payer dollars to pay for abortions... I dont see them getting this&#160;&quot;televangelist&#160;spending&quot; case&#160;right either. Im just following the trends bro.






Oh, buddy, absolutely loved your capital punishment post. THX alot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Independent Conservative,</p>
<p>I hope this all turns out for the best. You can call me pessimistic, or one with little&nbsp;faith;&nbsp;but if the U.S. Government is using hard-earned tax-payer dollars to pay for abortions&#8230; I dont see them getting this&nbsp;&quot;televangelist&nbsp;spending&quot; case&nbsp;right either. Im just following the trends bro.</p>
<p>Oh, buddy, absolutely loved your capital punishment post. THX alot.</p>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/11/06/grassley_investigates_pulpit_pimps/comment-page-2/#comment-6882</link>
		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;../../../10/15/trinity_foundation_cult/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ole Anthony abuses his authority in terms of crimes against the Lord&lt;/a&gt; far more than anything, such as abusing money in violation of anything like IRS laws.&#160; I think when it comes to Ole standing up to a full IRS audit, he&#039;d probably come out smelling cleaner than a rose.&#160; Because Ole&#039;s style of abuse is not in taking funds to put himself in big time riches.

Ole&#039;s abuse is spiritual, of those in his assembly and the type of thing government won&#039;t touch and honestly has no jurisdiction over at all.

But Ole being able to move the hand of government might result in legislation &lt;em&gt;(and Ole wants some)&lt;/em&gt; that would please Ole.&#160; It could get to a point where the tenants of Ole&#039;s cult are influencing more than his small band of followers.&#160; Right now Ole would like legislation that prevents anyone from making promises on TV that can&#039;t be guaranteed.&#160; Such as saying &lt;em&gt;you&#039;ll receive 100 fold blessing if you send me money now.&lt;/em&gt;&#160; Sounds reasonable enough, but it&#039;s the sort of thing that would be ripe for government control of legitimate ministries too.&#160; What about the minister who promises homosexuals will go to hell and quotes &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%206:9-10;&amp;version=49;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;1 Corinthians 6:9-10&lt;/a&gt;? 

If Ole continues to have his way, he&#039;ll go beyond simple potential IRS violations, into control of the words coming from mouths.&#160; Ole &lt;em&gt;probably won&#039;t&lt;/em&gt; be the one to have government going after talk about homosexuals, but Ole&#039;s desires to control statements could be used as the angle to do that.  How does the good minister guarantee to government that sinners will inherit hell fire if government can&#039;t respect the tenants of a faith?  It just gets really dicey yet ripe for attacks on real saints.

I&#039;m not trying to have government tell these pimps what they can say on TV.&#160; I&#039;m trying to help the sheep see the wolf and turn off the TV themselves.&#160; Because even if government controls the mouth of the man promising 100 fold if you send him cash on TV, you&#039;ll see underground groups pop up that will do the same and the same misguided sheep will support them.

Given Ole&#039;s issues, I just don&#039;t like him being the guy with the ear of government.&#160; This possible IRS abuse investigation is fine, but we know Ole is not a man to be trusted given the abuse he engages in within his own little cult.

All that can really help those being abused by the pimps or Ole is them coming to know the truth themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="../../../10/15/trinity_foundation_cult/" rel="nofollow">Ole Anthony abuses his authority in terms of crimes against the Lord</a> far more than anything, such as abusing money in violation of anything like IRS laws.&nbsp; I think when it comes to Ole standing up to a full IRS audit, he&#8217;d probably come out smelling cleaner than a rose.&nbsp; Because Ole&#8217;s style of abuse is not in taking funds to put himself in big time riches.</p>
<p>Ole&#8217;s abuse is spiritual, of those in his assembly and the type of thing government won&#8217;t touch and honestly has no jurisdiction over at all.</p>
<p>But Ole being able to move the hand of government might result in legislation <em>(and Ole wants some)</em> that would please Ole.&nbsp; It could get to a point where the tenants of Ole&#8217;s cult are influencing more than his small band of followers.&nbsp; Right now Ole would like legislation that prevents anyone from making promises on TV that can&#8217;t be guaranteed.&nbsp; Such as saying <em>you&#8217;ll receive 100 fold blessing if you send me money now.</em>&nbsp; Sounds reasonable enough, but it&#8217;s the sort of thing that would be ripe for government control of legitimate ministries too.&nbsp; What about the minister who promises homosexuals will go to hell and quotes <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%206:9-10;&amp;version=49;" rel="nofollow">1 Corinthians 6:9-10</a>? </p>
<p>If Ole continues to have his way, he&#8217;ll go beyond simple potential IRS violations, into control of the words coming from mouths.&nbsp; Ole <em>probably won&#8217;t</em> be the one to have government going after talk about homosexuals, but Ole&#8217;s desires to control statements could be used as the angle to do that.  How does the good minister guarantee to government that sinners will inherit hell fire if government can&#8217;t respect the tenants of a faith?  It just gets really dicey yet ripe for attacks on real saints.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not trying to have government tell these pimps what they can say on TV.&nbsp; I&#8217;m trying to help the sheep see the wolf and turn off the TV themselves.&nbsp; Because even if government controls the mouth of the man promising 100 fold if you send him cash on TV, you&#8217;ll see underground groups pop up that will do the same and the same misguided sheep will support them.</p>
<p>Given Ole&#8217;s issues, I just don&#8217;t like him being the guy with the ear of government.&nbsp; This possible IRS abuse investigation is fine, but we know Ole is not a man to be trusted given the abuse he engages in within his own little cult.</p>
<p>All that can really help those being abused by the pimps or Ole is them coming to know the truth themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Gxg--G2</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/11/06/grassley_investigates_pulpit_pimps/comment-page-2/#comment-6880</link>
		<dc:creator>Gxg--G2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 08:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone brought up the point earlier about OLD ANTHONY profiting from this and using the media coverage/his involvement in exposing the financial working of the mega ministries to his advantage.

Honestly, after seeing the amount of coverage he has reciecieved, I&#039;m starting to get the point.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/06/cbsnews_investigates/main3462147.shtml

IMHO, his actions are very similar to what you&#039;d see in a dummy corporation/buisneess, for they&#039;d use legtitmate means as a cover for&#160; any of the wrong theyy do behind closed doors....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dummy_corporation

&quot;Many &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_organization&quot; title=&quot;Criminal organization&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;organized crime operations&lt;/a&gt; have substantial legitimate businesses, such as licensed &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling&quot; title=&quot;Gambling&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;gambling&lt;/a&gt; houses, building construction companies, trash hauling services, or dock loading enterprises. These front companies enable these criminal organizations to &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_laundering&quot; title=&quot;Money laundering&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;launder&lt;/a&gt; their income from illegal activities. As well, the front companies provide plausible cover for illegal activities such as &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_trafficking&quot; title=&quot;Drug trafficking&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;drug trafficking&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smuggling&quot; title=&quot;Smuggling&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;smuggling&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution&quot; title=&quot;Prostitution&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;prostitution&lt;/a&gt;.&quot; ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_organization )

&#160; 

As long as the media continues to credit his contributions to Senator Grassely&#039;s actions, the abuses Old Anthony&#039;s guilty of will continue to thrive/go unoticed, but prayerfully the tables will turn and it &#039;ll be ,ade clear that NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW, regardless of the ways in which they&#039;ve helped to ENFORCE IT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone brought up the point earlier about OLD ANTHONY profiting from this and using the media coverage/his involvement in exposing the financial working of the mega ministries to his advantage.</p>
<p>Honestly, after seeing the amount of coverage he has reciecieved, I&#8217;m starting to get the point.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/06/cbsnews_investigates/main3462147.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/06/cbsnews_investigates/main3462147.shtml</a></p>
<p>IMHO, his actions are very similar to what you&#8217;d see in a dummy corporation/buisneess, for they&#8217;d use legtitmate means as a cover for&nbsp; any of the wrong theyy do behind closed doors&#8230;.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dummy_corporation" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dummy_corporation</a></p>
<p>&quot;Many <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_organization" title="Criminal organization" rel="nofollow">organized crime operations</a> have substantial legitimate businesses, such as licensed <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling" title="Gambling" rel="nofollow">gambling</a> houses, building construction companies, trash hauling services, or dock loading enterprises. These front companies enable these criminal organizations to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_laundering" title="Money laundering" rel="nofollow">launder</a> their income from illegal activities. As well, the front companies provide plausible cover for illegal activities such as <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_trafficking" title="Drug trafficking" rel="nofollow">drug trafficking</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smuggling" title="Smuggling" rel="nofollow">smuggling</a>, and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution" title="Prostitution" rel="nofollow">prostitution</a>.&quot; ( <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_organization" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_organization</a> )</p>
<p>&nbsp; </p>
<p>As long as the media continues to credit his contributions to Senator Grassely&#8217;s actions, the abuses Old Anthony&#8217;s guilty of will continue to thrive/go unoticed, but prayerfully the tables will turn and it &#8216;ll be ,ade clear that NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW, regardless of the ways in which they&#8217;ve helped to ENFORCE IT.</p>
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		<title>By: Yvette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yvette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rehab..(Kenneth Copeland has responded by calling the actions an &quot;iniquity&quot;.&#160;) What on earth?! Iniquity? Does this man think he is God?! Oh yeah, he does.&#160; 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rehab..(Kenneth Copeland has responded by calling the actions an &quot;iniquity&quot;.&nbsp;) What on earth?! Iniquity? Does this man think he is God?! Oh yeah, he does.&nbsp; </p>
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		<title>By: Gxg--G2</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/11/06/grassley_investigates_pulpit_pimps/comment-page-1/#comment-6872</link>
		<dc:creator>Gxg--G2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In case no one heard yet, Creflo gave a more in-depth response to the inquiries of Grassley (man after my own heart. lol)....and it turns out that they&#039;re in defense of the way the ministry spends it&#039;s funds:&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/07/national/main3464730.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/07/national/main3464730.shtml&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In case no one heard yet, Creflo gave a more in-depth response to the inquiries of Grassley (man after my own heart. lol)&#8230;.and it turns out that they&#8217;re in defense of the way the ministry spends it&#8217;s funds:<a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/07/national/main3464730.shtml" rel="nofollow"></p>
<p></a><a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/07/national/main3464730.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/07/national/main3464730.shtml</a></p>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 18:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That only proves many are not in it for ministry, but money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That only proves many are not in it for ministry, but money.</p>
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