Comments on: While the Paulks Try to Cover it Up, More of Earl “The Abmonation” Paulk’s Mess Comes Out! http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/11/05/ep_fox_p2/ The Independent Conservative saying what needs to be said! Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:35:55 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: IndependentConservative http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/11/05/ep_fox_p2/comment-page-1/#comment-6836 IndependentConservative Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:15:31 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/11/05/ep_fox_p2/#comment-6836 Back to Earl Paulk, you know one of the reasons he got away with some of his mess, is because people felt he was a modern day <em>Apostle</em>.  So anything he told them they were led to feel <span style="font-style: italic">was a word from Gawd</span>.  This is why I <a href="../../../09/26/run_from_false_prophets/" rel="nofollow">so strongly speak against the idea of men today being called "apostle"</a>.  There were just things that Christ entrusted the apostles with that are not today.  What the apostles said was from God, you can't trust anyone today and must check them all against scripture and even if they line up it does not make them an "apostle".  Apostles could forgive sin, <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=50&chapter=20&verse=23&version=49&context=verse" rel="nofollow">John 20:23</a>.  They had a relationship with God that no man has had since them and no man is going have, because <span style="font-weight: bold">they saw the resurrected Christ</span> and were called by Him in a more explicit and magnificent way.  They established the foundation for the church on Christ, which can't be laid twice.  This is why people should have run from Paulk when he was being viewed as an "apostle".  I went to his building a couple times and like some have said in reports, they really did have Earl Paulk's sayings on the walls like they were literal scripture. Back to Earl Paulk, you know one of the reasons he got away with some of his mess, is because people felt he was a modern day Apostle.  So anything he told them they were led to feel was a word from Gawd.  This is why I so strongly speak against the idea of men today being called "apostle".  There were just things that Christ entrusted the apostles with that are not today.  What the apostles said was from God, you can’t trust anyone today and must check them all against scripture and even if they line up it does not make them an "apostle".  Apostles could forgive sin, John 20:23.  They had a relationship with God that no man has had since them and no man is going have, because they saw the resurrected Christ and were called by Him in a more explicit and magnificent way.  They established the foundation for the church on Christ, which can’t be laid twice.  This is why people should have run from Paulk when he was being viewed as an "apostle".  I went to his building a couple times and like some have said in reports, they really did have Earl Paulk’s sayings on the walls like they were literal scripture.

]]> By: stacey http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/11/05/ep_fox_p2/comment-page-1/#comment-6813 stacey Tue, 06 Nov 2007 18:34:25 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/11/05/ep_fox_p2/#comment-6813 Of course the links work now. Of course the links work now.

]]> By: stacey http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/11/05/ep_fox_p2/comment-page-1/#comment-6812 stacey Tue, 06 Nov 2007 18:33:33 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/11/05/ep_fox_p2/#comment-6812 Wow!  These men are more than dangerous.  This is really sick.  BTW: Those video links are gone.  ~S~ Wow!  These men are more than dangerous.  This is really sick. 
BTW: Those video links are gone.  ~S~

]]> By: Gxg--G2 http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/11/05/ep_fox_p2/comment-page-1/#comment-6803 Gxg--G2 Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:50:39 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/11/05/ep_fox_p2/#comment-6803 CRUDDD!! IGNORE THE LAST POST,  BRAH. I JUST SAW THE ONE YOU GAVE ME RIGHT UP UNDER THE ONE I JUST MADE. GLAD TO SEE WE'RE IN AGREEMENT, Brah  ...... CRUDDD!!

IGNORE THE LAST POST,
 BRAH. I JUST SAW THE ONE YOU GAVE ME RIGHT UP UNDER THE ONE I JUST MADE. GLAD TO SEE WE’RE IN AGREEMENT, Brah  ……

]]> By: Gxg--G2 http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/11/05/ep_fox_p2/comment-page-1/#comment-6802 Gxg--G2 Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:48:39 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/11/05/ep_fox_p2/#comment-6802 Also, provided that there's the GODLY INFLUENCE OF MALE ELDERS/LEADERSHIP overseeing everything, it should be all good. Working with young boys myself, when in the classroom, I'm always mindful of the fact that I'm raising boys to  become MEN.......& part of being a man is knowing what the TRUTH OF GOD'S WORD SAYS, being able to share that with others/live it out regardless of the circumstances. .....& knowing how to demonsrate servant leadership as Jesus did (John 13).   Should I ever say something or do something's that out of line with the TRUTH that's been taught, I expect them to call me out on it...... Also, provided that there’s the GODLY INFLUENCE OF MALE ELDERS/LEADERSHIP overseeing everything, it should be all good.

Working with young boys myself, when in the classroom, I’m always mindful of the fact that I’m raising boys to  become MEN…….& part of being a man is knowing what the TRUTH OF GOD’S WORD SAYS, being able to share that with others/live it out regardless of the circumstances. …..& knowing how to demonsrate servant leadership as Jesus did (John 13).

  Should I ever say something or do something’s that out of line with the TRUTH that’s been taught, I expect them to call me out on it……

]]> By: IndependentConservative http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/11/05/ep_fox_p2/comment-page-1/#comment-6801 IndependentConservative Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:45:28 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/11/05/ep_fox_p2/#comment-6801 Really I wanted you to repeat it with more clarity, so nobody would mistakenly think you were advocating something that goes against scripture ;) . Really I wanted you to repeat it with more clarity, so nobody would mistakenly think you were advocating something that goes against scripture ;) .

]]> By: Gxg--G2 http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/11/05/ep_fox_p2/comment-page-1/#comment-6800 Gxg--G2 Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:42:01 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/11/05/ep_fox_p2/#comment-6800 Never said children should assume church leadership, Brah. As I said earlier, "By no means do I mean the kid in the video is in the clear……for NT Standards do not condone children holding positions of leadership in the church (I Timothy 3, Titus 1:5-9)" The point I was bringing up with Josiah was that it has often been the case that people have seen the EXTREME Abuses that have happened with people such as Marjoe & ended up saying that there's NEVER A TIME when children have worthwile things to say or that they cannot live godly lives/speak of the truth.  A child doesn't have to be in church leadership in order to say "Mommy, what you're doing isn't in line with what Jesus/The Bible said...." when that parent or adult is doing something clearly in the wrong....or in leadership when there's talk of a popular movie, for example, which everyone saw but had content that was against God's Standards, or in leadership in order to pray for someone/alert them to Scriptural truth.   Ecclesiastes 4:13 13 Better a poor but wise youth than an old but foolish king who no longer knows how to take warning.   Of course I'm not advocating that we put children in the pulpit & have them preach/teach. That's dangerous, both for the congregation AND THE WELFARE OF THE CHILD, who may be assuming a position he or she is neither qualified to handle OR stay sane.....but where I'm coming from is that neither or they precluded from simply being able to share truth. Wisdom is Wisdom, regardless of age......... Never said children should assume church leadership, Brah. As I said earlier, "By no means do I mean the kid in the video is in the clear……for NT Standards do not condone children holding positions of leadership in the church (I Timothy 3, Titus 1:5-9)"

The point I was bringing up with Josiah was that it has often been the case that people have seen the EXTREME Abuses that have happened with people such as Marjoe & ended up saying that there’s NEVER A TIME when children have worthwile things to say or that they cannot live godly lives/speak of the truth. 

A child doesn’t have to be in church leadership in order to say "Mommy, what you’re doing isn’t in line with what Jesus/The Bible said…." when that parent or adult is doing something clearly in the wrong….or in leadership when there’s talk of a popular movie, for example, which everyone saw but had content that was against God’s Standards, or in leadership in order to pray for someone/alert them to Scriptural truth.  

Ecclesiastes 4:13

13 Better a poor but wise youth than an old but foolish king who no longer knows how to take warning.

 

Of course I’m not advocating that we put children in the pulpit & have them preach/teach. That’s dangerous, both for the congregation AND THE WELFARE OF THE CHILD, who may be assuming a position he or she is neither qualified to handle OR stay sane…..but where I’m coming from is that neither or they precluded from simply being able to share truth. Wisdom is Wisdom, regardless of age………

]]> By: IndependentConservative http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/11/05/ep_fox_p2/comment-page-1/#comment-6798 IndependentConservative Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:28:38 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/11/05/ep_fox_p2/#comment-6798 <cite>rehabbedchurchgoer</cite> - They <strong>fake </strong>a move of God using whatever means plays on emotions.  Because too many people want to "feel" instead of HEAR based on what is in scripture.  And many can't rightly divide the scriptures and fall prey to all manner of off doctrines.  Leaving them open to all kinds of fake things, babblings called tongues, people falling over claiming it's the Holy Spirit, giving 10% thinking they'll please God and the list goes on. rehabbedchurchgoer – They fake a move of God using whatever means plays on emotions.  Because too many people want to "feel" instead of HEAR based on what is in scripture.  And many can’t rightly divide the scriptures and fall prey to all manner of off doctrines.  Leaving them open to all kinds of fake things, babblings called tongues, people falling over claiming it’s the Holy Spirit, giving 10% thinking they’ll please God and the list goes on.

]]> By: IndependentConservative http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/11/05/ep_fox_p2/comment-page-1/#comment-6796 IndependentConservative Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:24:20 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/11/05/ep_fox_p2/#comment-6796 Gxg--G2 - Children are not to assume Church Leadership, regardless of what Josiah did.  And women neither regardless of what Deborah did in her time.  What was old covenant is old and what is new for church leadership is to be adhered to.  When women and children are assuming leadership, that is not a good sign, but indicates extreme disorder, <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=29&chapter=3&verse=12&version=49&context=verse" rel="nofollow">Isaiah 3:12</a>. Church leadership is selected based on <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20tim%203&version=49" rel="nofollow">1 Timothy 3</a> and <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=titus%201;&version=49;" rel="nofollow">Titus 1</a>.  RIGHTEOUS MEN WITH A HOUSEHOLD OF ONE FEMALE WIFE AND CHILDREN IN ORDER.  God spoke via a donkey too, but who is calling for <em>asses</em> to assume the pulpit? God uses who he wants to send an alert, but certainly this does not mean women and children are to assume church leadership roles today and people should have seen Marjoe was fake from when he was being placed in pulpits at age 3-4 BY HIS MOTHER. Marjoe walked away because he was a goat, not a sheep, like his mother before him. Gxg–G2 – Children are not to assume Church Leadership, regardless of what Josiah did.  And women neither regardless of what Deborah did in her time.  What was old covenant is old and what is new for church leadership is to be adhered to.  When women and children are assuming leadership, that is not a good sign, but indicates extreme disorder, Isaiah 3:12.

Church leadership is selected based on 1 Timothy 3 and Titus 1.  RIGHTEOUS MEN WITH A HOUSEHOLD OF ONE FEMALE WIFE AND CHILDREN IN ORDER.  God spoke via a donkey too, but who is calling for asses to assume the pulpit?

God uses who he wants to send an alert, but certainly this does not mean women and children are to assume church leadership roles today and people should have seen Marjoe was fake from when he was being placed in pulpits at age 3-4 BY HIS MOTHER.

Marjoe walked away because he was a goat, not a sheep, like his mother before him.

]]> By: rehabbedchurchgoer http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/11/05/ep_fox_p2/comment-page-1/#comment-6794 rehabbedchurchgoer Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:09:28 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/11/05/ep_fox_p2/#comment-6794  I think it is very telling how the people got so caught up in the emotionalism of this guys services.  They probably would refuse to believe he was not "anointed" even when he confessed.  They would say, "the gifts of God are without repentance" or something.  The way a lot of services are produced to create a certain state of emotion is not a mistake.  They create a "move of God" rather than teaching and doing.  Consider Benny Hinn. Gxg, i agree.  I think it is very telling how the people got so caught up in the emotionalism of this guys services.  They probably would refuse to believe he was not "anointed" even when he confessed.  They would say, "the gifts of God are without repentance" or something. 

The way a lot of services are produced to create a certain state of emotion is not a mistake.  They create a "move of God" rather than teaching and doing.  Consider Benny Hinn.

Gxg, i agree.

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