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October 15, 2007

Ole Anthony (Trinity Foundation) Shades of a Cult!

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Nobody likes being disappointed. We don’t like hearing we’ve been misled by a false teacher. We don’t like hearing we tossed money to the service of something not of God while thinking God wanted us to do it. We appreciate the word of warning and thank the one who provides it. Which sometimes leaves us thinking that the one providing the warning can be trusted. Well it’s sort of a double disappointment when hearing that someone who helped stop the work of a pimp is running a cult. This is the case with Ole Anthony and his Trinity Foundation. While he’s called out pimps and exposed them for the benefit of us all, he’s running a cult and this can’t be ignored.

While there is momentary disappointment when hearing someone is false. We should look beyond that and be joyful that the Lord willed that we would not remain deceived. Likewise, while I’m greatly disappointed with the deeds of Ole Anthony, I praise God that I learned the truth. And I will share the warning with you. Our Lord Jesus Christ desires that we trust Him, not put our hope in men. This is why I never provide a “good guy” list despite repeated requests from frustrated saints who want to know who they can trust and I tell you to not even place your trust in me. Even the guys I put on my own mental “good guy” list could disappoint me. This includes Ole Anthony, who was someone I felt was really a good and great man, but he has disappointed me. In the past I’ve recommended Anthony to people and now wish I never had. Trust the Lord Jesus, read the scriptures, pray and let the Holy Spirit lead you when it comes to who you receive spiritual instruction from.

There’s lot of ground to cover regarding Ole Anthony. So a lot will just be bullet points and other references. There’s so much information, I considered doing multiple posts, but I’ve decided to put it all in one and simply try to remain brief regarding the things I mention here.

For you who would like to read an entire book about why Ole Anthony is a cult leader and his Trinity Foundation is a cult, you can consider the book titled I Can?t Hear God Anymore. It is written by someone who lived on the inside and her husband was one of the top men in the Trinity Foundation.

The Dallas Observer got hold of that book and did some major checking, given they are right there in the town where the Trinity Foundation is based. They found about a dozen witnesses, former members of the Trinity Foundation who affirm what is in the book. So the rule for rebuke noted in 1 Timothy 5:19-21 is satified in multiples. The newspaper made a LARGE article about their findings and all bullet points below are from information in their article titled The Cult of Ole.

Anthony’s group runs a form of private Christian commune, which is noted in various scriptures, however it’s interesting to see such done today in America. Given unlike the early church, there is no persecution here and Christians in America can freely make a living and give as they desire. Usually churches in America that honestly help poor saints can help their fellow saints who have needs without a commune design, given America is so full of opportunity and free of any major persecution of Christians. Some members of the group do have their own homes that they never sold into the group. Some work within the group and others do not. Some commit to live a life of poverty and others do not.

The group encourages people to observe many mostly old covenant feasts. Within the group these celebrations are kept rather legalistically it seems. That link from their web site mentions “…a pulsating cycle of seasons and celebrations ordained by God” and that they feel they have found “the lost links between the Jewish feasts, the New Testament and the life of the Spirit.” However, to be caught up in feasts and the legalism of the Trinity Foundation is to do a giant SKIP over scripture directed towards the church, such as Colossians 2. Which is exactly why most Christians don’t bother with such, because for the Christian the focus is Christ, not some feast that took place before the Lord made atonement for our sins. But the Trinity Foundation is observing Yom Kippur, the Jewish “day of atonement”. This and similar actions by pulpit pimps is false and it has been noted why in several previous posts.

Basically in doctrine, Ole Anthony is in agreement with false teachers in many respects. Holding reverence for the faded away old covenant day of atonement is to treat the sacrifice of Christ as if it was of no effect. See the links above. As is noted in Hebrews 6, we cannot and should not attempt to reconstruct the work of atonement that came through the Lord Jesus Christ. To claim observance of a dead form of atonement puts the Lord’s sacrifice to open shame! We know this now from scripture and that is why Christians don’t continue practicing such things today. But if you think you can get it all from the Old Testament, you continue in legalism. Ole Anthony is lost in a form of heresy, by continuing in something that is not for Christians well after we know the truth from a full canon of scripture.

Here is a really good review of Wendy Duncan’s book, that features efforts by the blogger to contact the Trinity Foundation directly, I Can?t Hear God Anymore (Resource Review). It includes information about how Ole speaks against personal prayer. This goes directly against Matthew 6:6 and how Christ mentioned you can’t defeat some demons without prayer Mark 9:29. Read if for yourself. It appears Ole Anthony is not just against personal prayer, but possibly against ALL prayer. Ole strips saints of one of the MOST POWERFUL TOOLS GOD GAVE TO MAN!

Here’s a message board discussion about Anthony and the group, that features lots of other references, Ole Anthony and Trinity Foundation a “cult”? – new book. The references include mention of a response from a member of Trinity Foundation to Wendy Duncan’s book and her husband Doug Duncan responds on that message board to that.

Here’s another blog post about Anthony and it appears some former members chimed in if you read the comments, The curious ministry of Ole Anthony.

The Dallas Observer found that Ole Anthony is a BIG TIME LIAR about his past. Check out their other article, The Man and the Myth. Some of what you read about him in the first Dallas Observer article linked above is NOT EVEN TRUE!!!

Perhaps all the pain medication Antony takes has something to do with some of his issues, but regardless, this man has no place in church leadership, or any group leadership, he should not even lead a group of Boy Scouts.

The Dallas Observer did a number of interviews with Ole Anthony and produced some of the talk in this other article The Thorn in Their Side. Ole sort of likes Oneness heretic TD Jakes, although he’s against Jakes’ prosperity angle.

The following is from Charisma Mag, the same publication that often features the worst of pulpit pimps on their cover, but they note some things worth reading about this matter.

Critic of Televangelists Comes Under Fire


Saying potential liability issues made it tough to find a publisher, Duncan and her husband, Doug, formed VM Life Resources to print the manuscript. She said she wrote the book primarily “for former members who are still involved with the pain and humiliation of being involved in a cult?and for other members of cultic groups, so they can see it is possible to return to psychological wholeness and return to God.”

Doug Duncan said he still resents believing a teaching emphasized at Trinity that if a person makes his own decisions he is out of God’s will. He added, however, that the book isn’t meant to retaliate against Trinity but to help former members and others who have been exposed to cults.

“It’s about healing of people who have been through abusive religious experiences,” he said. “Some people have contacted us and e-mailed us and said, ‘I was in a small, abusive church and can relate to what you’ve been through.'”

Two other ex-members Charisma contacted affirmed the book’s accuracy. Rick Robertson, who owns a recording studio, called Anthony “manipulative.”

“She could have gone a lot further,” said Robertson, who told Charisma he was part of the group from 1986 to 1993. “I thought she showed great restraint.”

Sherry Lewis said she stopped attending Trinity around 2001. “I had an overbearing father, and one of those was enough for me,” Lewis said. “[Anthony] tried several times to intimidate me, but that wasn’t happening.”

Trinity continues to investigate about 400 TV ministries and maintains a hotline for those who want to report religious abuses. But Anthony said the group’s most important contributions are feeding the homeless, helping the poor and living for Christ as an example to the world.

I guess now is a good time to mention, the Trinity Foundation has done a lot in exposing some who are false and has helped many people in their work. But what they’ve got going on in their own camp is a sad sight. False doctrine can’t be ignored, even when it’s someone who has helped many.

But did you notice in that article the words “She could have gone a lot further,”, which means there is even more about this cult that we don’t know.

This year, the Dallas Observer put up a post on their blog about Anthony and more findings about him. Like all other links here, it would be best to read this in full.

Sometimes You Feel Like a Cult, Sometimes You Don’t


Clark, who lives in Pennsylvania, says he has been intrigued with Anthony since they met in 1994 at a conference called “Evangelical Ministries to New Religions.” Clark had seen Anthony going undercover to bust televangelists on ABC’s PrimeTime Live with Diane Sawyer. Since he had worked for months with Sawyer for an expose on cults, Clark wanted to know more about Anthony. “I thought the guy was eccentric,” Clark says. “Ole Anthony is an articulate person, but there’s an off-beat quality about him.”

He was taken aback because Anthony refused, unlike other EMNR conference participants, to allow his workshop describing the Trinity Foundation’s structure and mission to be recorded. “I was struck with that,” Clark says, “What is his problem here? What struck me then was his us-versus-them mentality of him about the mainstream church.”

Last year Clark met Doug Duncan, whose story is chronicled in his wife’s book, at a cult conference in Denver. Clark found the Duncans’ involvement in the Trinity Foundation similar to his own experience in a cult called Church of the Living Word in the early 1970s. Since then, Clark has spent his life studying cult dynamics. He was a founding member of the Former Cultists Support Network.

“When I met Doug, I was impressed with him personally,” Clark says. “I thought he was level-headed. His story had the ring of truth to me. The factual foundation of the book is extensive and supported by former members and eyewitness testimony. It was eerie because of my own experience. I’m used to listening to a lot of first-hand stories of eyewitness accounts. I deal with so many groups that are like this.”

Clark decided to do a workshop on Trinity this month because the group has an internationally high profile but few insiders have ever described their own experiences inside the group. What the outsider sees is very different than what the insiders see.

The blog post also mentions how The Dallas Morning News has been silent on this issue and that several members of the Trinity Foundation work there.

In doing some other research of archived news stories, I found some items that show that Ole Antony’s doctrine is off. Things that I guess many of us never noticed or never took note of in the past. Take for example, on May 9, 1998, NPR radio program “NPR Weekend Saturday” had a discussion about the Trinity Foundation, where the NPR reporter noted:


BURNETT: Anthony is the undisputed leader of this unconventional Christian community. Some call him rabbi, though he draws his eclectic self-taught theology from several religious traditions.

Trinity members celebrate Jewish holy days and liken themselves to 1st century Christians.

Notice, Antony’s theology is some pot of gumbo he tossed together.

The Apologetics Index mentions this quote from an issue of Dallas/Forth Worth publication D-Magazine’s article on Ole Anthony titled “The God Thing”.


He came to believe, with the rabbis, that Torah was the only Scripture, and that everything else in the Bible, including all of the New Testament, was merely commentary. He had become, as he was jokingly called at Temple Emmanuel, ”our Christian rabbi.”

He has dumped the authority of scripture in its fullness, to be in agreement with people who deny Christ. This departs from the truth of all scripture, that is noted in 2 Peter 1:16-21, 2 Timothy 3:16-17 and Romans 16:25-27. With a view like Anthony’s, you can’t do anything but make a cult rooted in old covenant law.

If you are disappointed reading this post, trust me, it was far more disappointing hearing that Ole Anthony is false, doing the research to check out the claim and having to relay the warning to you. Again I say, take comfort in knowing you were not continually deceived regarding him. Strive to hold on to Christ and keep your trust in Him, not men. Maintain a firm zeal for Christ and doing as He commands, because you don’t want the Lord to find the spot on you that is noted in Revelation 2:1-7.


update 10/15/2007 11:35AM:
Regarding prayer, I wanted to add, the London based publication “The Independent” did an article about Ole Anthony and the Trinity Foundation on September 6, 1998 named “IN THE NAME OF GOD”. In this article that mostly lauds Ole for his work, it also notes an instance where Ole took no issue with prayer.


But then, without warning, Ole slides from his chair on to his knees. “Help me out here, guys, I am falling apart.” In an instant, everyone is on the floor touching each other and praying with Ole. Praying for Ole. Because Ole is very obviously in direst pain. At his shoulders is Gary Buckman, one of his founding partners who by day is a construction contractor. As Gary prays for Ole, he touches his back and neck with olive oil from a small bottle. The rest watch – and they cry.

So it’s OK for Ole to pray when Ole is in pain and solicit prayer from others, but he’s telling others it is selfish for them to pray alone or on their own behalf? Isn’t that hypocritical?



27 Responses to “Ole Anthony (Trinity Foundation) Shades of a Cult!”

  1. Lennie Says:

    People need to stop being so quick to follow other humans. Only Jesus is perfect. None other.

  2. mjones Says:

    Good article. Get ready for a real firestorm.

  3. cultaware Says:

    I was there too. Thank God I survived. Wendy was too nice in the book. Saying no one is perfect is a classic cop-out. We sometimes follow humans because we are not perfect.

  4. KyleNYC Says:

    Folks, it’s only gonna get worser(sic) before it’s get’s better. There are a LOT of dangerous wolves out there.

    If you feel led by the Spirit to give money, give it to the poor. This pleases the Lord and hey, he may even pay you a visit 🙂 :

    Act 10:4 And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God.

    If you can’t do that, give your gifts (no “prosperity gospel” linkage intended!) to organizations that are 100% legit and then check ’em out over at sites like the Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability http://www.ecfa.org and other organizations on the web. You have to sift the wheat from the chaff with ECFA because they gave a clean bill of health to Hank Hanegraaff, even though there are some “issues” there.

    Then after all that, check ’em again.

    Check out how much goes to the actual ministry and what goes to “overhead”. Through “creative account and financing” companies can bury exorbitant salaries within expenses and operating costs.

    Most of all, PRAY.

    Pray for guidance and wisdom like Solomon did. We’ve all read this a million times, but please read it again. It’s Solomon’s request before God for WISDOM:

    1Ki 3:5 In Gibeon the LORD appeared to Solomon in a dream by night: and God said, Ask what I shall give thee.

    1Ki 3:6 And Solomon said, Thou hast shewed unto thy servant David my father great mercy, according as he walked before thee in truth, and in righteousness, and in uprightness of heart with thee; and thou hast kept for him this great kindness, that thou hast given him a son to sit on his throne, as [it is] this day.

    1Ki 3:7 And now, O LORD my God, thou hast made thy servant king instead of David my father: and I [am but] a little child: I know not [how] to go out or come in.

    1Ki 3:8 And thy servant [is] in the midst of thy people which thou hast chosen, a great people, that cannot be numbered nor counted for multitude.

    1Ki 3:9 Give therefore thy servant an understanding heart to judge thy people, that I may discern between good and bad: for who is able to judge this thy so great a people?

    1Ki 3:10 And the speech pleased the Lord, that Solomon had asked this thing.

    1Ki 3:11 And God said unto him, Because thou hast asked this thing, and hast not asked for thyself long life; neither hast asked riches for thyself, nor hast asked the life of thine enemies; but hast asked for thyself understanding to discern judgment;

    1Ki 3:12 Behold, I have done according to thy words: lo, I have given thee a wise and an understanding heart; so that there was none like thee before thee, neither after thee shall any arise like unto thee.

    1Ki 3:13 And I have also given thee that which thou hast not asked, both riches, and honour: so that there shall not be any among the kings like unto thee all thy days.

    1Ki 3:14 And if thou wilt walk in my ways, to keep my statutes and my commandments, as thy father David did walk, then I will lengthen thy days.

    1Ki 3:15 And Solomon awoke; and, behold, [it was] a dream. And he came to Jerusalem, and stood before the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and offered up burnt offerings, and offered peace offerings, and made a feast to all his servants.

    1Ki 3:16 Then came there two women, [that were] harlots, unto the king, and stood before him.

    1Ki 3:17 And the one woman said, O my lord, I and this woman dwell in one house; and I was delivered of a child with her in the house.

    1Ki 3:18 And it came to pass the third day after that I was delivered, that this woman was delivered also: and we [were] together; [there was] no stranger with us in the house, save we two in the house.

    1Ki 3:19 And this woman’s child died in the night; because she overlaid it.

    1Ki 3:20 And she arose at midnight, and took my son from beside me, while thine handmaid slept, and laid it in her bosom, and laid her dead child in my bosom.

    1Ki 3:21 And when I rose in the morning to give my child suck, behold, it was dead: but when I had considered it in the morning, behold, it was not my son, which I did bear.

    1Ki 3:22 And the other woman said, Nay; but the living [is] my son, and the dead [is] thy son. And this said, No; but the dead [is] thy son, and the living [is] my son. Thus they spake before the king.

    1Ki 3:23 Then said the king, The one saith, This [is] my son that liveth, and thy son [is] the dead: and the other saith, Nay; but thy son [is] the dead, and my son [is] the living.

    1Ki 3:24 And the king said, Bring me a sword. And they brought a sword before the king.

    1Ki 3:25 And the king said, Divide the living child in two, and give half to the one, and half to the other.

    1Ki 3:26 Then spake the woman whose the living child [was] unto the king, for her bowels yearned upon her son, and she said, O my lord, give her the living child, and in no wise slay it. But the other said, Let it be neither mine nor thine, [but] divide [it].

    1Ki 3:27 Then the king answered and said, Give her the living child, and in no wise slay it: she [is] the mother thereof.

    1Ki 3:28 And all Israel heard of the judgment which the king had judged; and they feared the king: for they saw that the wisdom of God [was] in him, to do judgment.

  5. KyleNYC Says:

    And just for the record, I speak from experience.

    I’m a former member of the International Churches of Christ.

    And yes, you can stone me now.

  6. KyleNYC Says:

    OK, last one.

    And may I suggest Herescope. http://herescope.blogspot.com/

  7. IndependentConservative Says:

    KyleNYC – You are right to note that people should not wholly trust reports from the Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability (ECFA). You should and anyone else making use of ECFA material should check out this write-up, Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability is an honorable organization?.

    So far MinistryWatch appears to be an OK group and that’s probably because they were not started by a player in the Religious Industry.

    And KyleNYC, you probably already know about this site, Is the Church of Christ a Cult?

  8. art123 Says:

    I first heard of the Trinity Foundation through their exposition of corrupt ministries and thought this was a good foundation. After reading about how corrupt this foundation is and that they were running a cult, I was taken aback. “I Can’t Hear God Anymore is an excellent title for a book, though I haven’t read it because once you serve man, it becomes a cult, and you lose focus, and a relationship with God.

  9. KyleNYC Says:

    IC,

    After my second “tour of duty” that ended in April ‘92, I knew full well it was a cult. Too make a REALLY, REALLY long story short, it was my second tour of duty because I went back to get someone out. Man, THAT would make a great book. 😉

    Not too long after my departure, a friend and I collected information about “the Church” and “counseled” ex-members and people who were contemplating leaving or who had left the cult. The stories that are coming out about the Trinity Foundation or any other cult parallel that of the International Churches of Christ (ICOC).

    Except for the blasphemy…

    In 1993, ABC’s 20/20 was doing an expose on the ICOC. I was one of the on air interviewees and was featured semi-prominently because of a phone conversation that I had recorded, legally, with one of the leaders, Chris Broom, who is now with Kip in Portland, Oregon trying to “restore the restoration”. It was because of that interview that I was “marked” and became persona non grata for any other future public meetings.

    In October 1993, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation was also doing an expose on the ICOC and asked me to “obtain” footage of Kip McKean during one of his rare visits to New York City. I didn’t get much, but on one Sunday Kip was slated to speak at the Apollo Theatre in Harlem. Kip fancies himself a “friend” of the black community, having grown up in Indiana, the home of the KKK back in the day (didn’t know that, did ya’? 🙂 ), and he played it up as a major “victory” for “The Church”.

    I unfortunately, couldn’t go in because of my “Stop him at the door and pummel him” status. I’m kidding. It was just pummel him status. So I got a friend of mine to videotape it for me.

    The blasphemy…

    Well, during this “meeting”, where Kip employed all of the group mind control skills that most of these “Svengali’s” utilize (speech cadence, voice volume, etc.), he made the following statement (and yes, I am paraphrasing):

    “Do you know why Jesus prayed so long in the Garden (Gethsemane)? He prayed so long because he had to get his heart right.”

    If that doesn’t just jump out at you and scream “Blasphemy!”, then please, Wake Up O’ Sleeper! This parallels statements that Sun Myung Moon and others have made over the years. You know it comes straight from the devil when they jump off like that.

    “Luk 4:7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.

    Luk 4:8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.”

    Bear in mind, this is also the same dude that had to be talked out of believing he was a modern day apostle, it was later found out. Let’s hope he never runs into C. Peter Wagner, Chuck Pierce, Rick Joyner and their ilk within the “Apostolic Reformation Movement”. Mr. Wagner may innocuously look like jolly Ole St. Nick’s brother, but do your research on this, in my opinion, very dangerous movement. I don’t mean to be dramatic, but it’s stranger than the “X-Files”…

  10. KyleNYC Says:

    IC,

    On another note, the Church of Christ that the website refers to is the mainstream “branch”. The ICOC is an offshoot of that which Kip “affected” in the early, early 80’s.

  11. IndependentConservative Says:

    KyleNYC – You need a blog brother. You need to share more about all of this in a place where it will remain posted in large print for viewing.

    You’re right, I mistakenly assumed the ICOC and the COC were the same. Good grief, just too many.

    Hearing you mention Kip speaking of Jesus needing prayer to somehow better Himself, I heard a guy on the radio yesterday claiming that (paraphrasing) “Jesus did all those miracles because he had an exemplary prayer life”. And I turned the station, so I don’t know who it was who said that. We humans need to pray, the Son of God was simply going to speak with His Father. It was not because He was less than perfect and needed to pray like humans to do something like get His “heart right”.

  12. KyleNYC Says:

    heh, heh, i do have a blog…but it’s geared towards real estate and the financial markets.

    you’re doing a good job my brother. if i find out anything, i’ll pass it along to you and let you sound the alarm.

    besides, if i start a blog, they’ll call me a conspiracy nut. and i’m not joking.

  13. art123 Says:

    Who does the credit goes to for this blog?

  14. IndependentConservative Says:

    That would go to the person behind the book that got the ball rolling on exposing what Ole Anthony is up to in a major way, Wendy Duncan.

    She had left a comment over on Melvin’s blog and honestly at first I thought she might be a hack. But after more evidence I really can’t beleive this has not been exposed more than it has been.

    This post took weeks of work. Not just researching what was in the newspaper articles about her book and others interviewed, but also researching article archives about the Trinity Foundation and researching their doctrine. I wanted to do the full scope, to ensure I had fully checked them out given I held them in high regard as do many. Ironically, the Trinity Foundation in their own defense claims (paraphrasing) “we’ve got plenty of what we’re about on our web site” and they do. Checking into their web site is where I found much of the evidence of faulty doctrine. The evidence on their web site supports some of what I had found in other articles about them. So in this post I only referenced their site regarding the specific feasts they observe. Since their site had nothing in my opinion to counter the claims about their doctrine. Their site to me PROVED their doctrine is off once I got deeper into it.

    I mean, when you read a group’s doctrine and the only thing they say about the Holy Spirit is tongues, healing and preservation in their write-up and just list scriptures for the rest. You know the bunch is about babbling, because I’m still waiting for a church in America to show they ministered to an unbeliever in the unbeliever’s native language without any training in that language. That’s just one example, but looking over their site with a more critical eye, it was like the clues were sitting right there stirring me in the face.

    Listening to their bible study archives, it was just sounding very disorganized. It didn’t really resemble what I’d expect of a bible study that was carried out in decency and order. That’s another example.

    The deeper I got into everything from all the sources I was referencing, I was really getting overwhelmed with issues I found. I was surprised there are so many. And of course, there obviously are more given what we’ve heard that more could be told.

  15. art123 Says:

    IC, I am glad you’ve answered in that way and thanks, but I should have been more specific. I meant do you or KyleNYC gets the credit for writing this article blog in a joking matter.

  16. KyleNYC Says:

    art123,

    not sure what you mean, please elaborate.

  17. art123 Says:

    KyleNYC, you’ve written an interesting article. Thank you.

  18. IndependentConservative Says:

    You mean the initial blog post? I wrote that.

    Basically I write all the blog posts unless otherwise noted.

    Honestly, what really irks me about the Trinity Foundation, is that they have an unmarried man in leadership who is very sexually immoral. Ole claims to desire to be like the early Christian church, but scripture shows that God had Paul stand vehemently against sexual immorality AND instruct that old covenant observances were not going to save anyone. And they’re not going to place you closer to God either. When you have a single man in leadership who is simply “dating” women, you’re asking for trouble.

    It’s like some groups claim “the church leaders should be men” and leave it at that. They don’t seem to read any of the other words in 1 Timothy 3 or Titus 1. All some man needs to do is claim he’s got revelation and it’s like all the other qualifications are forsaken. God had Paul write those qualifications for a reason. Because a well established man of good reputation who has lead in successfully raising a family is best suited for leading in God’s house.

    God had Paul note the “great mystery” of Christ and the Church in terms of marriage, Ephesians 5:22-33.

    Having single men who are running around “dating” in leadership is like begging for trouble.

  19. Gxg--G2 Says:

    Don’t know where this would exactly fit in, but I wanted to share some things that’ve been on my heart for awhile regarding the OLD Antony situation.

    I cannot help but be shocked seeing that a ministry like his that began with such noble intentions/efforts to expose error/promote truth ended up becoming just like the very thing it claimed to be against……yet I can’t help but realize that’s what happens when one denounces all of the
    criticims put forth against them & suggestions for modyfying areas in their lives that could prove to be “pitfalls” because some good was coming about from their actions.

    .

    When it comes to discussing movements with cultic/herectical beliefs, I’ve often heard them referred to by many
    names—-things like “spawn of the devil”, “nothing good about it”, etc.

    I’ve even heard of it/other things referred to as The Laodicea church, which symbolizes MUCH of the modern church/issues dealt with here.

    However, that wasn’t the only church Jesus had issue with:

    Revelation 2
    Message to Ephesus

    1″To the angel of the church in (A)Ephesus write: The One who holds (B)the seven stars in His right hand, the One who walks (C)among the seven golden lampstands, says this:

    2′(D)I know your deeds and your toil and perseverance, and that you cannot
    tolerate evil men, and you (E)put to the test those who call themselves
    (F)apostles, and they are not, and you found them to be false;

    3and you have perseverance and have endured (G)for My name’s sake, and have not grown weary.

    4’But I have this against you, that you have (H)left your first love.

    5’Therefore remember from where you have fallen, and (I)repent and (J)do the deeds you did at first; or else I am coming to you and will remove your
    (K)lampstand out of its place–unless you repent.

    6’Yet this you do have, that you hate the deeds of the (L)Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

    7′(M)He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches (N)To him who overcomes, I will grant to eat of (O)the tree of life which is in the (P)Paradise of God.’

    Despite exposing error/promoting truth, Christ rebuked Ephesus also……despite ANY
    RIGHTEOUS characteristics they possessed ( Revelation 2:1-7)—for if motives are off or there’s not genuine love/honor for one another as authentic proof of the
    Gospel, EFFORTS mean NOTHING

    John 13:34-35

    34″A (A)new commandment I give to you, (B)that you love one another, (C)even as I have loved you, that you also love one another.

    35″(D)By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.

    Romans 12:9-18

    9Let (A)love be without hypocrisy (B)Abhor what is evil; cling to what is good.

    10Be (C)devoted to one another in brotherly love; give preference to one
    another (D)in honor;11not lagging behind in diligence, (E)fervent in spirit, (F)serving the Lord;12(G)rejoicing in hope, (H)persevering in tribulation,(I)devoted to prayer,13(J)contributing to the needs of the saints, (K)practicing hospitality.

    14(L)Bless those who persecute [a]you; bless and do not curse.

    15(M)Rejoice with those who rejoice, and weep with those who weep.

    16(N)Be of the same mind toward one another; (O)do not be haughty in mind, but associate with the lowly (P)Do not be wise in your own estimation.

    17(Q)Never pay back evil for evil to anyone (R)Respect what is right in the
    sight of all men.

    18If possible, (S)so far as it depends on you, (T)be at peace with all men.

    1 Peter 2:16-17

    6Live as free men, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as servants of God. 17Show proper respect to everyone: Love the brotherhood of believers, fear God, honor the king.

    1 John 3:11-23

    11(A)For this is the message (B)which you have heard from the beginning,
    (C)that we should love one another;

    12not as (D)Cain, who was of (E)the evil one and slew his brother And for what reason did he slay him? Because (F)his deeds were evil, and his brother’s were
    righteous.

    13Do not be surprised, brethren, if (G)the world hates you.

    14We know that we have (H)passed out of death into life, (I)because we love the brethren. He who does not love abides in death.

    15Everyone who (J)hates his brother is a murderer; and you know that (K)no
    murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

    16We know love by this, that (L)He laid down His life for us; and (M)we ought to lay down our lives for the (N)brethren.

    17But (O)whoever has the world’s goods, and sees his brother in need and (P)closes his heart against him, (Q)how does the love of God abide in him?

    18(R)Little children, let us not love with word or with tongue, but in deed and (S)truth.

    19We will know by this that we are (T)of the truth, and will assure our heart before Him20in whatever our heart condemns us; for God is greater than our heart and
    knows all things.

    21(U)Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have (V)confidence before
    God;22and (W)whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we (X)keep His commandments and do (Y)the things that are pleasing in His sight.

    23This is His commandment, that we (Z)believe in (AA)the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as (AB)He commanded us.

    Lest anyone be mistaken, it’s PARAMOUNT to make certain that what we believe lines up with what the Lord believes, as failing to do so ends up creating danger for us all:

    1 Timothy 4:16

    16Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers.

    However, As necessary the battle is for to maintain sound teaching & moral/doctrinal
    purity…..it’s very easy to forget that in the battle , it’s possible to lose a charitable spirit:

    Philippians 4:5

    5 Let your gentleness be known to all men. The Lord is at hand.

    Prolonged conflict can weaken or destroy patience & affection that’s to define
    us:

    Ephesians 4

    Unity of the Spirit
    1Therefore I, (A)the prisoner of the Lord, (B)implore you to (C)walk in a
    manner worthy of the (D)calling with which you have been (E)called,

    2with all (F)humility and gentleness, with patience, showing tolerance for one another (G)in love,

    Colossians 3:12-14

    12So, as those who have been (A)chosen of God, holy and beloved, (B)put on a
    (C)heart of compassion, kindness, (D)humility, gentleness and (E)patience;

    13(F)bearing with one another, and (G)forgiving each other, whoever has a
    complaint against anyone; (H)just as the Lord forgave you, so also should you.

    14Beyond all these things put on love, which is (I)the perfect bond of
    (J)unity.

    Once we lose those traits that have been listed above, it seems that one inevitably ends up walking down a dark path much like OLD ANTONY did……that’s DANGEROUS to our work 4 God.

    I’ve witnessed many saints/churches that started out good, but then fell into mess later when they lost the humility that was to define them & began to think they were above criticism because of all the good they were either doing or seeking to accomplish….

    I’ve witnessed MULTIPLE on other sites how it seems that in dealing with error, people end up becoming like the Church in Ephesus (Revelation 2:1-7)…..even to the extreme of becoming Pharisees from a different angle, for the false leaders in Christ day weren’t just guilty of teaching the wrong things (erroneous doctrine) since they were exacting/scrupulous in their attempts to follow the law of God (Matthew 5:20)…. But also guilty in having CORRECT DOCTRINE/ knowledge of things but not the right attitudes.

    They were all about head knowledge/facts, but their love was cold & they were content in merely having knowledge. If there were issues in their own lives that needed to be adressed, they’d simply mask it by pointing to the errors of others & using the Word of God like a toy, weilding it to support whatever agenda they had (as OLD ANthnony did). Doing so was essentially pride, for they believed that they were above reproach/correction (or at least to the degree that they were only willing to admit error where they were COMFORTABLE admitting it)……and that sin of pride was all that was needed to open the door for a host of other sins that were never expected to occur, from sexual immorality to lying to manipulation, etc.

    As John Bunyan once said, “SINS NEVER TRAVEL ALONE…..”…& the sins I say yes too because they seem less OBVIOUS/DEADLY (i.e. pride, self-righteousness, haughitness) are the same ones that’ll open the door to all of the others I didn’t want. Old Antony & various other ministries that have done the same are living proof of this.

    THAT’S scary, & moreover ESPECIALLY seeing that the Word makes clear that worldliness is not a mere thing of EXTERNAL ACTIONS/attitudes, but OF INNER ONES AS as well. I can have all the correct theological knowledge IN THE WORLD & BE POINTING OUT CRUCIAL ERRORS in the LIVES OF OTHERS… but still be worldly at heart/still in DANGER of mess, especially seeing that PRIDE/FOCUSING on exalitng oneself iNstead of building others up OR exalting the Lord is a WORLDLY Attitude & listed among the things that are evidence of one not truly being connected with the Lord. One could be giving the appearance that they’re against the things of the world & yet still be worldy at heart.

    I John 2:15-18

    Do Not Love the World

    15Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16For everything in the world—the cravings of sinful man, the lust of his eyes and the BOASTING OF WHAT HE HAS & DOES—comes not from the Father but from the world. 17The world and its desires pass away, but the man who does the will of God lives forever.

    Warning Against Antichrists

    18Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour

    EVERYTHING WE DO MUST BE DONE IN LOVE/WITH THE MOTIVE OF BUILDING UP THE SAINTS….or else the Work we do for God will be
    torn down/not last.

    And even when it seems that good is coming about from our actions, if our motives are dark, they’ll manifest/rise to the surface at SOME POINT…..& it’ll be an UGLY SIGHT, just like OLD ANTONY’s was.

    Luke 12

    Warnings and Encouragements

    1Meanwhile, when a crowd of many thousands had gathered, so that they were trampling on one another, Jesus began to speak first to his disciples, saying: “Be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.

    2There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known. 3What you have said in the dark will be heard in the daylight, and what you have whispered in the ear in the inner rooms will be proclaimed from the roofs.

    Pray other saints keep this in mind, & that we remain ALERT OURSELVES regarding our own motives/attitudes when it comes to exposing error or dealing with ANY KIND OF MINISTRY…….lest we repeat what OLD Antony has done somehow:

    Romans 12:3

    Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the measure of faith God has given you.

    James 3:12-18

    12My brothers, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water.

    Two Kinds of Wisdom

    13Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show it by his good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom. 14But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth. 15Such “wisdom” does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, of the devil. 16For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice.

    17But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. 18Peacemakers who sow in peace raise a harvest of righteousness.

  20. Gxg--G2 Says:

    Many thanks, Bro IC, for pointing out the OLD ANTONY situation/making the post, Brah.

    Pray you keep up the excellent work your site does on many points to make sure the truth’s known. It’s WELL-APPRECIATED…….& know you gots someone covering your back in prayer, Brah. With the kind of work you do, You’ll need it (lol, lol, lol)

    PEACE…..

  21. Gxg--G2 Says:

    Something else the OLD ANTHONY SITUATION reminds me of:

    1 Corinthians 10

    Warnings From Israel’s History

    1For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers, that our forefathers were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. 2They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. 3They all ate the same spiritual food 4and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.

    5Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered over the desert.

    6Now these things occurred as examples[a] to keep us from setting our hearts on evil things as they did. 7Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written: “The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in pagan revelry.”[b] 8We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did—and in one day twenty-three thousand of them died. 9We should not test the Lord, as some of them did—and were killed by snakes. 10And do not grumble, as some of them did—and were killed by the destroying angel.

    11These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the fulfillment of the ages has come.

    12So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don’t fall!

    If anyone wishes to bust out the line “Don’t judge, cause it can happen to anyone”, it should be noted that the reality is that what happened to OLD ANTHONY CANNOT HAPPEN TO ANYONE…….at least, to those who are seeking to take God’s commands seriously/believe him at His Word.

    But for those who try to flirt with sin/legalize it in the name of “Christ”, check yourself before you wreck yourself……

    PEACE…..

  22. IndependentConservative Says:

    you gots someone covering your back in prayer, Brah. With the kind of work you do, You’ll need it (lol, lol, lol)

    No kidding!

    Thank you.

  23. KyleNYC Says:

    Yo IC, you got a favorable mention over at the Religion News blog on this Ole Anthony thing.

    http://www.religionnewsblog.com/19748/religion-news

  24. IndependentConservative Says:

    Thanks for the heads up KyleNYC.  As they noted, it’s coming out slowly and more people are sounding the alarm.

  25. charlieplayschess Says:

    Thanks for exposing this man and the effort you put into it-much appreciated!!Keep up the good work.Things are getting very dangerous and deceptive(and bizarre)when those who are themselves engaged in exposing frauds and heretics are themselves found to be frauds and heretics!!What a perfect front for the devil as no one would suspect!!It serves as an informative illustration of just how subtle and crafty the devil is.

  26. Ron Henzel Says:

    About a month ago I wrote a post about Ole Anthony for the Midwest Christian Outreach, Inc. blog titled “The Enemy of My Enemy.” You can read it here: http://midwestoutreach.org/blogs/84/the-enemy-of-my-enemy. Since then I’ve written a follow-up piece, “Words about the Word?” which may be read here: http://midwestoutreach.org/blogs/93/words-about-the-word#comment-19286.

  27. Coyne1988 Says:

    The beginning of this blog article would best describe my situation when found out this other guy, an open-air “preacher” by the name of Kerrigan Skelly(I mentioned him in the comments on another article), was a false teacher and it’s upsetting, you think he’s a man of God, but he’s really a false teacher.

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