Comments on: Jesus Showed Us How to Defeat Temptation and False Doctrines With Rightly Divided Scripture. http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/08/31/the_word_beats_satan/ The Independent Conservative saying what needs to be said! Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:35:55 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: IndependentConservative http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/08/31/the_word_beats_satan/comment-page-1/#comment-5763 IndependentConservative Tue, 04 Sep 2007 02:16:55 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/?p=1537#comment-5763 art123 - Even Paul when he was Saul was a Pharisee. Most any Jews who accepted Christ were of the Pharisee. Most Jews of that time leaned Pharisee. It was the Sadducees <em>(they rejected any concept of their being a resurrection and so they only lived for the here and now, <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=23&verse=8&version=50&context=verse" rel="nofollow">Acts 23:8</a>)</em> who were the minority group and Christ shut them down in <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2020:27-40;&version=50;" rel="nofollow">Luke 20:27-40</a>. I don't know of any record of any from their ranks following Christ. But your point of today's false teachers being like those who stood against Christ is valid. <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matt%2023;&version=50;" rel="nofollow">Matthew 23</a> is very applicable to today's false teachers of all stripes. art123 – Even Paul when he was Saul was a Pharisee. Most any Jews who accepted Christ were of the Pharisee. Most Jews of that time leaned Pharisee. It was the Sadducees (they rejected any concept of their being a resurrection and so they only lived for the here and now, Acts 23:8) who were the minority group and Christ shut them down in Luke 20:27-40. I don’t know of any record of any from their ranks following Christ.

But your point of today’s false teachers being like those who stood against Christ is valid. Matthew 23 is very applicable to today’s false teachers of all stripes.

]]> By: art123 http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/08/31/the_word_beats_satan/comment-page-1/#comment-5762 art123 Tue, 04 Sep 2007 01:33:24 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/?p=1537#comment-5762 These false teachers today are like the Pharisee because like them, they preach, teach and uphold the Old Testament ways to suit their purpose but would circumvent Christ and His teachings. Both, the false teachers and the Pharisees failed to acknowledge that Christ is the way to salvation with the exception of Nicodemus, who came to Jesus by night and a few Pharisees, I believe but correct me. These false teachers today are like the Pharisee because like them, they preach, teach and uphold the Old Testament ways to suit their purpose but would circumvent Christ and His teachings. Both, the false teachers and the Pharisees failed to acknowledge that Christ is the way to salvation with the exception of Nicodemus, who came to Jesus by night and a few Pharisees, I believe but correct me.

]]> By: IndependentConservative http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/08/31/the_word_beats_satan/comment-page-1/#comment-5761 IndependentConservative Tue, 04 Sep 2007 01:11:19 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/?p=1537#comment-5761 Those who claim we should not defend sound doctrine and feel we should not speak against those who preach another doctrine need to submit to the authority of scripture and read <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=I%20tim%201;&version=50;" rel="nofollow">1 Timothy 1</a>. Those who claim we should not defend sound doctrine and feel we should not speak against those who preach another doctrine need to submit to the authority of scripture and read 1 Timothy 1.

]]> By: Jesus Christ Showed Us How To Oppose False Doctrines And Those Who Preach Them « Primitive Jesus Christology http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/08/31/the_word_beats_satan/comment-page-1/#comment-5760 Jesus Christ Showed Us How To Oppose False Doctrines And Those Who Preach Them « Primitive Jesus Christology Tue, 04 Sep 2007 00:58:56 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/?p=1537#comment-5760 [...] Posted by healtheland on September 3rd, 2007 See this link from Independent Conservative: Jesus Showed Us How to Defeat Temptation and False Doctrines With Rightly Divided Scripture. And before you resort to the commonly given lie that we can’t do such a thing as discern, expose, and oppose false preachers because we are not Jesus Christ, let me give you this scripture: Luke 10:19 - “Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy!” The final portion of that verse says “and nothing shall by any means hurt you”, so that just lets you know that all of you who attack me for doing God’s Will for telling you how all of these false preachers are misleading you and exploiting you for money, well your words are just roll off me like water on a duck’s back, and I tread it under my feet like the salt that has lost its savor that it is. Oh yes, and to seal the deal, this verse particularly shows why if Jesus Christ had the authority to oppose false preachers so do we: John 14:12 - Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. And the “I go unto my Father” part is key. When Jesus Christ went to the Father, He sent to the church a comforter, the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is what gives us the power to discern false teachers and preachers, and the power and authority to oppose them. It is because of the Holy Spirit that we are not merely to “pray for them”, “pluck the beams out of our own eye”, “not judge”, and “let the wheat and the tares grow together.” See, those verses and references are either grotesquely taken out of context (i.e. the wheat and tares growing together was in response to the disciples asking why God allowed evil people and conditions in the world to persist … Jesus Christ was answering the theodicy question, not saying that there should be no church discipline, or else how would you explain Revelation 2 and 3, which of course you never read because there is no “prosperity” in those chapters) or were what Jesus Christ said to HIS PHARISEE ACCUSERS and not the righteous who believed on Him. Of course, if you are AN UNSAVED PHARISEE ACCUSER, you cannot judge right from wrong because you are A) still a filthy sinner yourself and B) you do not have the power, authority, discernment, or guidance of the Holy Spirit. [...] [...] Posted by healtheland on September 3rd, 2007 See this link from Independent Conservative: Jesus Showed Us How to Defeat Temptation and False Doctrines With Rightly Divided Scripture. And before you resort to the commonly given lie that we can’t do such a thing as discern, expose, and oppose false preachers because we are not Jesus Christ, let me give you this scripture: Luke 10:19 – “Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy!” The final portion of that verse says “and nothing shall by any means hurt you”, so that just lets you know that all of you who attack me for doing God’s Will for telling you how all of these false preachers are misleading you and exploiting you for money, well your words are just roll off me like water on a duck’s back, and I tread it under my feet like the salt that has lost its savor that it is. Oh yes, and to seal the deal, this verse particularly shows why if Jesus Christ had the authority to oppose false preachers so do we: John 14:12 – Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. And the “I go unto my Father” part is key. When Jesus Christ went to the Father, He sent to the church a comforter, the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is what gives us the power to discern false teachers and preachers, and the power and authority to oppose them. It is because of the Holy Spirit that we are not merely to “pray for them”, “pluck the beams out of our own eye”, “not judge”, and “let the wheat and the tares grow together.” See, those verses and references are either grotesquely taken out of context (i.e. the wheat and tares growing together was in response to the disciples asking why God allowed evil people and conditions in the world to persist … Jesus Christ was answering the theodicy question, not saying that there should be no church discipline, or else how would you explain Revelation 2 and 3, which of course you never read because there is no “prosperity” in those chapters) or were what Jesus Christ said to HIS PHARISEE ACCUSERS and not the righteous who believed on Him. Of course, if you are AN UNSAVED PHARISEE ACCUSER, you cannot judge right from wrong because you are A) still a filthy sinner yourself and B) you do not have the power, authority, discernment, or guidance of the Holy Spirit. [...]

]]> By: healtheland http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/08/31/the_word_beats_satan/comment-page-1/#comment-5758 healtheland Tue, 04 Sep 2007 00:31:39 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/?p=1537#comment-5758 Yeah, but I already know the counterargument of the heretics: you are not Jesus Christ and do not have the authority to judge false doctrine or to call people out over it. Not because I am foretelling the future or anything like that, but rather because I get that lie all the time myself. Yeah, but I already know the counterargument of the heretics: you are not Jesus Christ and do not have the authority to judge false doctrine or to call people out over it. Not because I am foretelling the future or anything like that, but rather because I get that lie all the time myself.

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