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	<title>Comments on: Randy and Paula White Divorce &#8211; Prosperity Doctrine Fails!  Parallels of Juanita Bynum and Thomas Weeks.</title>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/08/28/randy_paula_white_divorce/comment-page-1/#comment-8766</link>
		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 21:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
If you feel that your brother or sister is perishing, take the gospel to them. Even with the little bible knowledge that I have, I know that God is merciful, He chastens yes, but He also forgives. There is therefore no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.I know that His love is unconditional. And I am glad that He does not see us through the eyes of man.
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I certainly feel they should repent.  Although as false teachers they are not a &quot;brother or sister&quot;, but rather an enemy of the cross and church.

It is well known, that whenever Juanita and Paula are confronted about their being false teachers, they quickly reject the truth.  

So it is best for the sheep to avoid them as is noted in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=52&amp;chapter=16&amp;verse=17&amp;version=49&amp;context=verse&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Romans 16:17&lt;/a&gt;.  Readbible, it is best for YOU to keep reading your Bible and AVOID THEM.

Please read the verses in my comment above to you.  Note that saints are to stay away from covetous swindlers.  Know that when &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/09/05/raw_juanita/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Juanita Bynum tries to sell God&lt;/a&gt; or Paula White tries to do much of the same, they are not only in deep hell bound heresy themselves, &lt;b&gt;BUT ANYONE FEELING THEY CAN BUY THE GIFT OF GOD WITH MONEY IS ALSO IN DEEP HELL BOUND HERESY TOO, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%208:20-23;&amp;version=49;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Acts 8:20-23&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/b&gt;

I don&#039;t tell you these things and speak about these people for some sort of fun or favor.  I do it to warn you, because the stakes are eternal.

I pray the Lord helps and keeps you in His care.</description>
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If you feel that your brother or sister is perishing, take the gospel to them. Even with the little bible knowledge that I have, I know that God is merciful, He chastens yes, but He also forgives. There is therefore no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.I know that His love is unconditional. And I am glad that He does not see us through the eyes of man.
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<p>I certainly feel they should repent.  Although as false teachers they are not a &#8220;brother or sister&#8221;, but rather an enemy of the cross and church.</p>
<p>It is well known, that whenever Juanita and Paula are confronted about their being false teachers, they quickly reject the truth.  </p>
<p>So it is best for the sheep to avoid them as is noted in <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=52&amp;chapter=16&amp;verse=17&amp;version=49&amp;context=verse" rel="nofollow">Romans 16:17</a>.  Readbible, it is best for YOU to keep reading your Bible and AVOID THEM.</p>
<p>Please read the verses in my comment above to you.  Note that saints are to stay away from covetous swindlers.  Know that when <a href="http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/09/05/raw_juanita/" rel="nofollow">Juanita Bynum tries to sell God</a> or Paula White tries to do much of the same, they are not only in deep hell bound heresy themselves, <b>BUT ANYONE FEELING THEY CAN BUY THE GIFT OF GOD WITH MONEY IS ALSO IN DEEP HELL BOUND HERESY TOO, <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%208:20-23;&amp;version=49;" rel="nofollow">Acts 8:20-23</a>.</b></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t tell you these things and speak about these people for some sort of fun or favor.  I do it to warn you, because the stakes are eternal.</p>
<p>I pray the Lord helps and keeps you in His care.</p>
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		<title>By: readbible</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/08/28/randy_paula_white_divorce/comment-page-1/#comment-8765</link>
		<dc:creator>readbible</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 20:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I choose not to say much more.I surely hope that instead of wishing destruction on anyone, if your convictions are real and sincere then instead of accusing you will preach repentance to them and the love of God. I surely hope you preach the love of God to them. The same love that you read about in God&#039;s word. That is what is expected from a person fully grounded in God&#039;s word. If you feel that your brother or sister is perishing, take the gospel to them. Even with the little bible knowledge that I have, I know that God is merciful, He chastens yes, but He also forgives. There is therefore no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.I know that His love is unconditional. And I am glad that He does not see us through the eyes of man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I choose not to say much more.I surely hope that instead of wishing destruction on anyone, if your convictions are real and sincere then instead of accusing you will preach repentance to them and the love of God. I surely hope you preach the love of God to them. The same love that you read about in God&#8217;s word. That is what is expected from a person fully grounded in God&#8217;s word. If you feel that your brother or sister is perishing, take the gospel to them. Even with the little bible knowledge that I have, I know that God is merciful, He chastens yes, but He also forgives. There is therefore no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.I know that His love is unconditional. And I am glad that He does not see us through the eyes of man.</p>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/08/28/randy_paula_white_divorce/comment-page-1/#comment-8764</link>
		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Readbible?  The irony of your selected screen name is incredible given your statements.  Because you sound like someone who listens to pimps rather than reading the Bible.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
IT IS A SHAME AND A PITY THAT WE AS BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN THE LORD ARE THE FIRST ONES TO CAST THE STONES.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t see where I tried to kill anyone.  But once you see me tossing a stone at them, please call the police. I should not try taking their life, it&#039;s better I let God destroy them if they don&#039;t repent of their evil.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
I BELIEVE THAT WEE GO THROUGH ALOT OF THINGS SO THAT WE MAY KNOW THAT IT IS NOT BY OUR MIGHT, NOT BY OUR POWER BUT BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD. GOD USES SITUATIONS TO HUMBLE US AND PRACTISE HIS WORD, SAY LIKE FORGIVENESS? WE MAY BE TOO QUICK TO JUDGE JUANITA AND PAULA.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Juanta and Paula:

1. Should not be assuming any church leadership and teaching positions over any men, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20tim%203;&amp;version=49;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;1 Timothy 3&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=61&amp;chapter=2&amp;verse=12&amp;version=49&amp;context=verse&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;1 Timothy 2:12&lt;/a&gt;.  But they are accepted as such by people like yourself because &lt;b&gt;you don&#039;t really trust the words on the pages of your Bible.  You trust those pimps.&lt;/b&gt;

2. They still are not humble at all.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/02/12/paula_white_first_fruits/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Paula White still scamming for money&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/09/17/bynum_floor_pitch/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Juanita Bynum too.&lt;/a&gt;

3. They are false teachers, with a false gospel, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20peter%202;&amp;version=49;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;2 Peter 2&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
BUT LET US ASK OURSELVES “WHO AM I TO JUDGE?”
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The guy reading his Bible and seeing I am to judge who I associate with, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20cor%205:9-13;&amp;version=49;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;1 Corinthians 5:9-13&lt;/a&gt; and I am to expose workers of darkness, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=ep%205:11;&amp;version=49;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ephesians 5:11&lt;/a&gt;.


&lt;blockquote&gt;
EVEN DAVID WHO WAS DESCRIBED AS A MAN AFTER GOD’S OWN HEART FELL BUT GOD PICKED HIM UP.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

David knew the meaning of true repentance.  These pimps you defend know how to take your money and consume it.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
HE IS LOVING, FORGIVING AND GENTLE. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

He&#039;s also chastens &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&amp;chapter=39&amp;verse=11&amp;version=49&amp;context=verse&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Psalm 39:11&lt;/a&gt;, rebukes and destroys &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&amp;chapter=9&amp;verse=5&amp;version=49&amp;context=verse&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Psalm 9:5&lt;/a&gt;, hates &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs%206:16-19;&amp;version=49;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Proverbs 6:16-19&lt;/a&gt; and destruction will come to false teachers &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20peter%202&amp;version=49&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;2 Peter 2&lt;/a&gt;.  What will become of those who remain with the false teachers?

&lt;b&gt;Luke 6:39-40 (New American Standard Bible)&lt;/b&gt;
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 39 And He also spoke a parable to them: &quot;A blind man cannot guide a blind man, can he? Will they not both fall into a pit?

 40 &quot;A pupil is not above his teacher; but everyone, after he has been fully trained, will be like his teacher. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Beware that YOU don&#039;t fall into the pit with THEM.

&lt;b&gt;Matthew 7:21-23 (New American Standard Bible)&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
 21 &quot;Not everyone who says to Me, &#039;Lord, Lord,&#039; will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

 22 &quot;Many will say to Me on that day, &#039;Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?&#039;

 23 &quot;And then I will declare to them, &#039;I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.&#039; 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You should stop consuming the rotten fruit of false teachers.

If you care to read your Bible, read of the contentment noted in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20tim%206;&amp;version=49;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;1 Timothy 6&lt;/a&gt; and flee the lies of prosperity doctrines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Readbible?  The irony of your selected screen name is incredible given your statements.  Because you sound like someone who listens to pimps rather than reading the Bible.</p>
<blockquote><p>
IT IS A SHAME AND A PITY THAT WE AS BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN THE LORD ARE THE FIRST ONES TO CAST THE STONES.
</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t see where I tried to kill anyone.  But once you see me tossing a stone at them, please call the police. I should not try taking their life, it&#8217;s better I let God destroy them if they don&#8217;t repent of their evil.</p>
<blockquote><p>
I BELIEVE THAT WEE GO THROUGH ALOT OF THINGS SO THAT WE MAY KNOW THAT IT IS NOT BY OUR MIGHT, NOT BY OUR POWER BUT BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD. GOD USES SITUATIONS TO HUMBLE US AND PRACTISE HIS WORD, SAY LIKE FORGIVENESS? WE MAY BE TOO QUICK TO JUDGE JUANITA AND PAULA.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Juanta and Paula:</p>
<p>1. Should not be assuming any church leadership and teaching positions over any men, <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20tim%203;&amp;version=49;" rel="nofollow">1 Timothy 3</a> and <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=61&amp;chapter=2&amp;verse=12&amp;version=49&amp;context=verse" rel="nofollow">1 Timothy 2:12</a>.  But they are accepted as such by people like yourself because <b>you don&#8217;t really trust the words on the pages of your Bible.  You trust those pimps.</b></p>
<p>2. They still are not humble at all.  <a href="http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/02/12/paula_white_first_fruits/" rel="nofollow">Paula White still scamming for money</a> and <a href="http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/09/17/bynum_floor_pitch/" rel="nofollow">Juanita Bynum too.</a></p>
<p>3. They are false teachers, with a false gospel, <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20peter%202;&amp;version=49;" rel="nofollow">2 Peter 2</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>
BUT LET US ASK OURSELVES “WHO AM I TO JUDGE?”
</p></blockquote>
<p>The guy reading his Bible and seeing I am to judge who I associate with, <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20cor%205:9-13;&amp;version=49;" rel="nofollow">1 Corinthians 5:9-13</a> and I am to expose workers of darkness, <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=ep%205:11;&amp;version=49;" rel="nofollow">Ephesians 5:11</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>
EVEN DAVID WHO WAS DESCRIBED AS A MAN AFTER GOD’S OWN HEART FELL BUT GOD PICKED HIM UP.
</p></blockquote>
<p>David knew the meaning of true repentance.  These pimps you defend know how to take your money and consume it.</p>
<blockquote><p>
HE IS LOVING, FORGIVING AND GENTLE.
</p></blockquote>
<p>He&#8217;s also chastens <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&amp;chapter=39&amp;verse=11&amp;version=49&amp;context=verse" rel="nofollow">Psalm 39:11</a>, rebukes and destroys <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&amp;chapter=9&amp;verse=5&amp;version=49&amp;context=verse" rel="nofollow">Psalm 9:5</a>, hates <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs%206:16-19;&amp;version=49;" rel="nofollow">Proverbs 6:16-19</a> and destruction will come to false teachers <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20peter%202&amp;version=49" rel="nofollow">2 Peter 2</a>.  What will become of those who remain with the false teachers?</p>
<p><b>Luke 6:39-40 (New American Standard Bible)</b></p>
<blockquote><p>
 39 And He also spoke a parable to them: &#8220;A blind man cannot guide a blind man, can he? Will they not both fall into a pit?</p>
<p> 40 &#8220;A pupil is not above his teacher; but everyone, after he has been fully trained, will be like his teacher.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Beware that YOU don&#8217;t fall into the pit with THEM.</p>
<p><b>Matthew 7:21-23 (New American Standard Bible)</b></p>
<blockquote><p>
 21 &#8220;Not everyone who says to Me, &#8216;Lord, Lord,&#8217; will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.</p>
<p> 22 &#8220;Many will say to Me on that day, &#8216;Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?&#8217;</p>
<p> 23 &#8220;And then I will declare to them, &#8216;I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.&#8217;
</p></blockquote>
<p>You should stop consuming the rotten fruit of false teachers.</p>
<p>If you care to read your Bible, read of the contentment noted in <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20tim%206;&amp;version=49;" rel="nofollow">1 Timothy 6</a> and flee the lies of prosperity doctrines.</p>
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		<title>By: readbible</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/08/28/randy_paula_white_divorce/comment-page-1/#comment-8763</link>
		<dc:creator>readbible</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 14:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IT IS A SHAME AND A PITY THAT WE AS BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN THE LORD ARE THE FIRST ONES TO CAST THE STONES. JESUS CAME FOR THEM THAT ARE NT WORTHY, NOT IN THE EYES OF MAN. I BELIEVE THAT WEE GO THROUGH ALOT OF THINGS SO THAT WE MAY KNOW THAT IT IS NOT BY OUR MIGHT, NOT BY OUR POWER BUT BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD. GOD USES SITUATIONS TO HUMBLE US AND PRACTISE HIS WORD, SAY LIKE FORGIVENESS? WE MAY BE TOO QUICK TO JUDGE JUANITA AND PAULA. BUT LET US ASK OURSELVES &quot;WHO AM I TO JUDGE?&quot; ONE THING I LOVE ABOUT GOD IS THAT HE IS NOT LIKE MAN AND WILL NEVER REASON LIKE MAN. HE WILL ALSO USE THOSE THINGS THAT SEEM FOOLISH UNTO MAN TO BRING GLORY TO HIMSELF. EVEN DAVID WHO WAS DESCRIBED AS A MAN AFTER GOD&#039;S OWN HEART FELL BUT    GOD PICKED HIM UP.HE IS LOVING, FORGIVING AND GENTLE. YOU HAVE WRITTEN THAT WE WILL KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUITS. I BELIEVE THAT THE FRUITS ARE SHOWN BY HOW WE HANDLE SUCH SITUATIONS. LOVE, FORGIVENESS AND TRUSTING GOD THRU IT ALL. NOBODY IS PERFECT AND WILL EVERY BE PERFECT UNTIL THAT DAY WHEN GOD BRINGS US INTO THAT PERFECTION. THE LORD SAYS IN HIS WORD THAT WE SHALL FALL SEVEN TIMES AND HE WILL STILL PICK US UP. HIS FORGIVENESS IS UNLIMITED. AND LET US REMEMBER THAT WE ARE NOT GOD THEREFORE WE WILL CONTINUALLY STRIFE WITH SIN, PAIN AND EVERYTHING THAT THIS WORLD HAS TO OFFER. BUT WE HTHANK GOD FOR HIS GRACE AND MERCIES THAT ARE NEW EVERY MORNING. SO LET US REFRAIN FROM POINTING FINGERS AND ACCUSING LIKE THE PHARISEES. INSTEAD LET US LOVE LIKE JESUS DID AND PRAY FOR OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IT IS A SHAME AND A PITY THAT WE AS BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN THE LORD ARE THE FIRST ONES TO CAST THE STONES. JESUS CAME FOR THEM THAT ARE NT WORTHY, NOT IN THE EYES OF MAN. I BELIEVE THAT WEE GO THROUGH ALOT OF THINGS SO THAT WE MAY KNOW THAT IT IS NOT BY OUR MIGHT, NOT BY OUR POWER BUT BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD. GOD USES SITUATIONS TO HUMBLE US AND PRACTISE HIS WORD, SAY LIKE FORGIVENESS? WE MAY BE TOO QUICK TO JUDGE JUANITA AND PAULA. BUT LET US ASK OURSELVES &#8220;WHO AM I TO JUDGE?&#8221; ONE THING I LOVE ABOUT GOD IS THAT HE IS NOT LIKE MAN AND WILL NEVER REASON LIKE MAN. HE WILL ALSO USE THOSE THINGS THAT SEEM FOOLISH UNTO MAN TO BRING GLORY TO HIMSELF. EVEN DAVID WHO WAS DESCRIBED AS A MAN AFTER GOD&#8217;S OWN HEART FELL BUT    GOD PICKED HIM UP.HE IS LOVING, FORGIVING AND GENTLE. YOU HAVE WRITTEN THAT WE WILL KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUITS. I BELIEVE THAT THE FRUITS ARE SHOWN BY HOW WE HANDLE SUCH SITUATIONS. LOVE, FORGIVENESS AND TRUSTING GOD THRU IT ALL. NOBODY IS PERFECT AND WILL EVERY BE PERFECT UNTIL THAT DAY WHEN GOD BRINGS US INTO THAT PERFECTION. THE LORD SAYS IN HIS WORD THAT WE SHALL FALL SEVEN TIMES AND HE WILL STILL PICK US UP. HIS FORGIVENESS IS UNLIMITED. AND LET US REMEMBER THAT WE ARE NOT GOD THEREFORE WE WILL CONTINUALLY STRIFE WITH SIN, PAIN AND EVERYTHING THAT THIS WORLD HAS TO OFFER. BUT WE HTHANK GOD FOR HIS GRACE AND MERCIES THAT ARE NEW EVERY MORNING. SO LET US REFRAIN FROM POINTING FINGERS AND ACCUSING LIKE THE PHARISEES. INSTEAD LET US LOVE LIKE JESUS DID AND PRAY FOR OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS.</p>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/08/28/randy_paula_white_divorce/comment-page-1/#comment-8665</link>
		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aservant, what you just said is something on par with RIDICULOUS.  And a prime example of why I control comments and access regarding people like yourself.

Just because 2 people have sex it does not make them married although they are joined outside the bonds of wedlock.  I&#039;ve already covered that with the woman who had 5 husbands, but Jesus made clear the man she was with at that time was not her husband, they were never married.

First your saying only certain people are married and nobody knows who, then you claim everybody someone has sex with is their spouse.  You can&#039;t have it both ways.  You are missing how sex in marriage is not the same union authorized by God as sex outside of marriage.  Sex in marriage is a union commanded by God and what is joined, married couples are joined and should not separate.  People fornicating, as in sex outside of marriage should STOP, period.

To act like nobody knows who is the husband of one wife makes &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20tim%203;&amp;version=49;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;1 Timothy 3&lt;/a&gt; of no effect.  A useless instruction from Paul to Timothy.  Your view kills the authority of scripture.

Aservant, the time God has given does not permit me an eternity to speak with you.  I don&#039;t continue circular debate long.  To do so becomes a waste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aservant, what you just said is something on par with RIDICULOUS.  And a prime example of why I control comments and access regarding people like yourself.</p>
<p>Just because 2 people have sex it does not make them married although they are joined outside the bonds of wedlock.  I&#8217;ve already covered that with the woman who had 5 husbands, but Jesus made clear the man she was with at that time was not her husband, they were never married.</p>
<p>First your saying only certain people are married and nobody knows who, then you claim everybody someone has sex with is their spouse.  You can&#8217;t have it both ways.  You are missing how sex in marriage is not the same union authorized by God as sex outside of marriage.  Sex in marriage is a union commanded by God and what is joined, married couples are joined and should not separate.  People fornicating, as in sex outside of marriage should STOP, period.</p>
<p>To act like nobody knows who is the husband of one wife makes <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20tim%203;&amp;version=49;" rel="nofollow">1 Timothy 3</a> of no effect.  A useless instruction from Paul to Timothy.  Your view kills the authority of scripture.</p>
<p>Aservant, the time God has given does not permit me an eternity to speak with you.  I don&#8217;t continue circular debate long.  To do so becomes a waste.</p>
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		<title>By: aservant</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/08/28/randy_paula_white_divorce/comment-page-1/#comment-8662</link>
		<dc:creator>aservant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who but THAT man and God knows if he is the husband of one wife.
Remember, to God, sex also means you have taken that person on as a spouse. So, again I ask, who but that pastor and God knows if he is TRULY a husband of one wife?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who but THAT man and God knows if he is the husband of one wife.<br />
Remember, to God, sex also means you have taken that person on as a spouse. So, again I ask, who but that pastor and God knows if he is TRULY a husband of one wife?</p>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/08/28/randy_paula_white_divorce/comment-page-1/#comment-8656</link>
		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aservant, the bad teaching you received from these false teachers continues to bear bad fruit.

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As it relates to marriage, only God knows if a couple is married.
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God counts EVERY SINGLE MARRIAGE, consider this.

&lt;b&gt;John 4:18 (New American Standard Bible)&lt;/b&gt;
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18 for you have had five husbands, and the one whom you now have is not your husband; this you have said truly.&quot;
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God in flesh, the Lord Jesus Christ counted ALL FIVE OF HER HUSBANDS &lt;em&gt;(they were not simply men she had sex with)&lt;/em&gt; and even knew about the man who was not her husband.

What you fail to understand, is that the salvation of a believer is sealed by the Holy Spirit, while a marriage which God allows to join and is 2 becoming one flesh is only an act carried out in this life.  Marriage DOES NOT continue into Heaven after this life.  In this life it is recognized as a marriage by God EVERY TIME, just like the woman who had 5 husbands.  There are no marriages in Heaven between people and there will not be in the future either, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2020:33-36;&amp;version=49;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Luke 20:33-36&lt;/a&gt;.

The difference between the Holy Spirit sealing in salvation and the fact marriage is an act of this life ALONE is why marriage which IS joined by God should not be separated by man.

Your twisted view allows for all manner of adultery in divorce and remarriages that you claim are not adultery because you feel the first marriage was not joined by God.

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She had slept with five men.
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No she had 5 husbands.  You are twisting the words of Christ to suit your own desired goal, to justify your twisted doctrine.  She had a man she was in fornication with who was not seen as her husband by Christ because she never married that man.

You create a condition in your false doctrine where people after they claimed the Lord&#039;s name can be fornicators and adulterers and still assume a position of church leadership.  This is why you spew false doctrines.  You have been taught by those engaging in it.

A church leader is to be a man who is the husband of ONE WIFE, period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aservant, the bad teaching you received from these false teachers continues to bear bad fruit.</p>
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As it relates to marriage, only God knows if a couple is married.
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<p>God counts EVERY SINGLE MARRIAGE, consider this.</p>
<p><b>John 4:18 (New American Standard Bible)</b></p>
<blockquote><p>
18 for you have had five husbands, and the one whom you now have is not your husband; this you have said truly.&#8221;
</p></blockquote>
<p>God in flesh, the Lord Jesus Christ counted ALL FIVE OF HER HUSBANDS <em>(they were not simply men she had sex with)</em> and even knew about the man who was not her husband.</p>
<p>What you fail to understand, is that the salvation of a believer is sealed by the Holy Spirit, while a marriage which God allows to join and is 2 becoming one flesh is only an act carried out in this life.  Marriage DOES NOT continue into Heaven after this life.  In this life it is recognized as a marriage by God EVERY TIME, just like the woman who had 5 husbands.  There are no marriages in Heaven between people and there will not be in the future either, <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2020:33-36;&amp;version=49;" rel="nofollow">Luke 20:33-36</a>.</p>
<p>The difference between the Holy Spirit sealing in salvation and the fact marriage is an act of this life ALONE is why marriage which IS joined by God should not be separated by man.</p>
<p>Your twisted view allows for all manner of adultery in divorce and remarriages that you claim are not adultery because you feel the first marriage was not joined by God.</p>
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She had slept with five men.
</p></blockquote>
<p>No she had 5 husbands.  You are twisting the words of Christ to suit your own desired goal, to justify your twisted doctrine.  She had a man she was in fornication with who was not seen as her husband by Christ because she never married that man.</p>
<p>You create a condition in your false doctrine where people after they claimed the Lord&#8217;s name can be fornicators and adulterers and still assume a position of church leadership.  This is why you spew false doctrines.  You have been taught by those engaging in it.</p>
<p>A church leader is to be a man who is the husband of ONE WIFE, period.</p>
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		<title>By: aservant</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/08/28/randy_paula_white_divorce/comment-page-1/#comment-8655</link>
		<dc:creator>aservant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As it relates to marriage, only God knows if a couple is married.
A wedding ceremony signifies a marriage to man, it does not signify a marriage to God. The reason why divorce is so prevalent is because everyone who said &quot;I Do,&quot; didn&#039;t get married.
Marriage like salvation is a heart issue. God says man looks on the outside, but He looks on the heart. Only God and that couple knows if they are married. This is why years later, a divorced couple can look back and see how God didn&#039;t put their marriage together...they did. And remember, just like false doctrine, if God did not ordain it, He is not obligated to maintain it.
Furthermore, BIBLICALLY marriage in God&#039;s eyes is conceived after a man and woman have sex. This is why when the woman at the well came to Jesus, she said she had no husband, but Jesus corrected her and said you have five husbands. She had slept with five men. Even adulterous David knew this. This is why every woman he slept with, he moved her into the confines of his kingdom. On one hand he was disregarding God&#039;s law by fornicating, while on the other hand, respecting God&#039;s law by making a &quot;wife&quot; out of the women he slept with. The only problem is He violated God&#039;s first commandment regarding marriage...BIBLICALLY marriage is between one man and one woman...not a harem of women you find attractive.
If we were to live by &quot;if you have been remarried (in God&#039;s eyes had sex), you can&#039;t pastor,&quot; there would be no pastors UNLESS the man was a virgin when he got married. This may be why God&#039;s grace kicks in and our sins are cast into the sea of forgetfullness when we TRULY repent. If God were to remember any of OUR sins, none of us would be qualified to do anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As it relates to marriage, only God knows if a couple is married.<br />
A wedding ceremony signifies a marriage to man, it does not signify a marriage to God. The reason why divorce is so prevalent is because everyone who said &#8220;I Do,&#8221; didn&#8217;t get married.<br />
Marriage like salvation is a heart issue. God says man looks on the outside, but He looks on the heart. Only God and that couple knows if they are married. This is why years later, a divorced couple can look back and see how God didn&#8217;t put their marriage together&#8230;they did. And remember, just like false doctrine, if God did not ordain it, He is not obligated to maintain it.<br />
Furthermore, BIBLICALLY marriage in God&#8217;s eyes is conceived after a man and woman have sex. This is why when the woman at the well came to Jesus, she said she had no husband, but Jesus corrected her and said you have five husbands. She had slept with five men. Even adulterous David knew this. This is why every woman he slept with, he moved her into the confines of his kingdom. On one hand he was disregarding God&#8217;s law by fornicating, while on the other hand, respecting God&#8217;s law by making a &#8220;wife&#8221; out of the women he slept with. The only problem is He violated God&#8217;s first commandment regarding marriage&#8230;BIBLICALLY marriage is between one man and one woman&#8230;not a harem of women you find attractive.<br />
If we were to live by &#8220;if you have been remarried (in God&#8217;s eyes had sex), you can&#8217;t pastor,&#8221; there would be no pastors UNLESS the man was a virgin when he got married. This may be why God&#8217;s grace kicks in and our sins are cast into the sea of forgetfullness when we TRULY repent. If God were to remember any of OUR sins, none of us would be qualified to do anything.</p>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/08/28/randy_paula_white_divorce/comment-page-1/#comment-5735</link>
		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>djenk23, since &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pulpit-pimps.org/archives/2007/08/24/and-do-my-prophet-no-harm#comment-43486&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;you posted this same question over at brother Melvin&#039;s blog&lt;/a&gt; I&#039;ll respond there and given his usually greater number of responses, you&#039;ll probably hear from more saints on the matter there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>djenk23, since <a href="http://www.pulpit-pimps.org/archives/2007/08/24/and-do-my-prophet-no-harm#comment-43486" rel="nofollow">you posted this same question over at brother Melvin&#8217;s blog</a> I&#8217;ll respond there and given his usually greater number of responses, you&#8217;ll probably hear from more saints on the matter there.</p>
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		<title>By: djenk23</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/08/28/randy_paula_white_divorce/comment-page-1/#comment-5734</link>
		<dc:creator>djenk23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 19:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a couple questions..Mark 10:8-9 states &quot;And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.&quot; Can we marry the wrong person? If we can indeed marry the wrong person, can God put the marriage asunder? At what point, does a marriage become valid?(After the minister pronounces the couple man and wife? When the marriage is consumated in the bedroom?) If sex is the deal sealer when it comes to marriage, then aren&#039;t people technically married to the first person that they had sex with?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a couple questions..Mark 10:8-9 states &#8220;And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.&#8221; Can we marry the wrong person? If we can indeed marry the wrong person, can God put the marriage asunder? At what point, does a marriage become valid?(After the minister pronounces the couple man and wife? When the marriage is consumated in the bedroom?) If sex is the deal sealer when it comes to marriage, then aren&#8217;t people technically married to the first person that they had sex with?</p>
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