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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/08/24/prosperity_doctrine_will_always_fail/comment-page-1/#comment-5684</link>
		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes a flood of traffic was more than Melvin&#039;s site could handle.  He&#039;s working on getting things back up.  I&#039;ve been offering some assistance.  There are some things he&#039;s been needing to do that should prevent all the outages he&#039;s been having.

Melvin is doing fine.  He&#039;s still out there fighting the good fight.  

When the news of Bynum and Weeks broke, Melvin&#039;s site was #2 in Google when searching on the name Juanita Bynum.  If that gives you any idea of the wave of traffic that came his way.  He&#039;s pretty much off the map now &lt;em&gt;(no longer in search results)&lt;/em&gt; regarding that search term since his site has been down a while.

Once he&#039;s back up, if he does what he should, his blog will be more stable than ever before.  He&#039;ll be able to keep it up better with less costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes a flood of traffic was more than Melvin&#8217;s site could handle.  He&#8217;s working on getting things back up.  I&#8217;ve been offering some assistance.  There are some things he&#8217;s been needing to do that should prevent all the outages he&#8217;s been having.</p>
<p>Melvin is doing fine.  He&#8217;s still out there fighting the good fight.  </p>
<p>When the news of Bynum and Weeks broke, Melvin&#8217;s site was #2 in Google when searching on the name Juanita Bynum.  If that gives you any idea of the wave of traffic that came his way.  He&#8217;s pretty much off the map now <em>(no longer in search results)</em> regarding that search term since his site has been down a while.</p>
<p>Once he&#8217;s back up, if he does what he should, his blog will be more stable than ever before.  He&#8217;ll be able to keep it up better with less costs.</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Guys,

Nigel here. I was getting really worried. PP has become a staple part of my daily diet and I was worried, thank God IC is still up. I normally don&#039;t post here but its good to see familiar friends. Thanks IC. Any idea when PP will be back up. Am I also understanding that a flood of hits threww it down? Hi Mel,Gary V &amp; Kyle. Mel I left voicemail for you on your mobile. I was actually worried if you were ok. Take people keep talking to the sheeple.

On another note are the walls of Jericho crumbling? Whites, Bynum-Weeks et al?

Nigel


&quot;Feed the flock, not on the flock.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Guys,</p>
<p>Nigel here. I was getting really worried. PP has become a staple part of my daily diet and I was worried, thank God IC is still up. I normally don&#8217;t post here but its good to see familiar friends. Thanks IC. Any idea when PP will be back up. Am I also understanding that a flood of hits threww it down? Hi Mel,Gary V &amp; Kyle. Mel I left voicemail for you on your mobile. I was actually worried if you were ok. Take people keep talking to the sheeple.</p>
<p>On another note are the walls of Jericho crumbling? Whites, Bynum-Weeks et al?</p>
<p>Nigel</p>
<p>&#8220;Feed the flock, not on the flock.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/08/24/prosperity_doctrine_will_always_fail/comment-page-1/#comment-5682</link>
		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kyle, 

I did see the some of &lt;a href=&quot;http://healtheland.wordpress.com/2007/08/25/mother-teresa-proves-that-you-cannot-be-saved-by-works/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the news about Teresa over at a blog run by our brother in the Lord.&lt;/a&gt;

I will say that I was &lt;b&gt;surprised&lt;/b&gt; by that news.  It was always my hope that maybe she was one who might have figured out the truth, but it appears she may not have.  It was mentioned that she sought counseling, but I don&#039;t know if that had a root in faith in Jesus Christ.

We know &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/07/17/no_prayer_to_mary/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;things like praying to Mary are not going to save the soul.&lt;/a&gt;  And I&#039;ve noted that to Catholics who try to spin what they are doing into something that is Christian, but it&#039;s totally contrary to scripture.  Totally opposite from the truth.

I just tell the truth the Lord has willed me to know and those who are the Lord&#039;s will hear His call.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kyle, </p>
<p>I did see the some of <a href="http://healtheland.wordpress.com/2007/08/25/mother-teresa-proves-that-you-cannot-be-saved-by-works/" rel="nofollow">the news about Teresa over at a blog run by our brother in the Lord.</a></p>
<p>I will say that I was <b>surprised</b> by that news.  It was always my hope that maybe she was one who might have figured out the truth, but it appears she may not have.  It was mentioned that she sought counseling, but I don&#8217;t know if that had a root in faith in Jesus Christ.</p>
<p>We know <a href="http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/07/17/no_prayer_to_mary/" rel="nofollow">things like praying to Mary are not going to save the soul.</a>  And I&#8217;ve noted that to Catholics who try to spin what they are doing into something that is Christian, but it&#8217;s totally contrary to scripture.  Totally opposite from the truth.</p>
<p>I just tell the truth the Lord has willed me to know and those who are the Lord&#8217;s will hear His call.</p>
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		<title>By: KyleAndrews</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/08/24/prosperity_doctrine_will_always_fail/comment-page-1/#comment-5680</link>
		<dc:creator>KyleAndrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 07:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey guys, its Kyle.  IC glad to see PP is still on the web.  For a second there I thought Melvin converted to WoF.  LOL! Just kidding.  As for the Whites divorcing I was not aware of this.  I knew from an article that they rarely lived together anymore but now it has finally come to this.  No big shocker seeing that Bynum did the same thing.  I have a question for you IC.  Although not directly related to pimping it is related to bad/false doctrine.  Did you see the article about the memoirs of Mother Teresa and that fact that she never knew nor felt the presence of God in her ENTIRE LIFE. Although not shocking considering Catholicism&#039;s beliefs it nonetheless proves that truth is paramount.  This however does relate to the WoF/Prosperity gospel.  On one hand we see that relentless &quot;works&quot; cannot save you nor does relentless unfettered praise and gibberish imply true indwelling of the Holy Ghost and salvation.  Mother Teresa and Paula White could not be more different yet are equally hell bound promoting false Christianity.  The only similarities is there roots in paganism.  We know that the Catholic Church was heavily influenced by Roman Paganism of the day.  Also, we know that the WoF/Prosperity doctrine has pagan roots i.e., God Man.  You see, we are up against something greater than mere apostasy.  We who are the purveyors of truth are being squeezed in by blasphemous teachings which cloak themselves in forms of Christianity yet are paganistic within.  This is why mere pointing out the lies like the gentleman did at Osteen’s Church, what we do on PP, and what you do here will have little effect.  I’m not implying that this is not good.  On the contrary.  What we do IS good and correct.  What I am saying is that I don’t think we can have much of an impact on people who are following a cult.   Bad doctrine is one thing but cultic practices are a whole different level.  These people are blindly following Pimps based solely on earthly attainment, hyper stimulation, and man worship.  Like I said we must continue to contend for the faith yet sadly not get our hopes up high.   

Kyle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey guys, its Kyle.  IC glad to see PP is still on the web.  For a second there I thought Melvin converted to WoF.  LOL! Just kidding.  As for the Whites divorcing I was not aware of this.  I knew from an article that they rarely lived together anymore but now it has finally come to this.  No big shocker seeing that Bynum did the same thing.  I have a question for you IC.  Although not directly related to pimping it is related to bad/false doctrine.  Did you see the article about the memoirs of Mother Teresa and that fact that she never knew nor felt the presence of God in her ENTIRE LIFE. Although not shocking considering Catholicism&#8217;s beliefs it nonetheless proves that truth is paramount.  This however does relate to the WoF/Prosperity gospel.  On one hand we see that relentless &#8220;works&#8221; cannot save you nor does relentless unfettered praise and gibberish imply true indwelling of the Holy Ghost and salvation.  Mother Teresa and Paula White could not be more different yet are equally hell bound promoting false Christianity.  The only similarities is there roots in paganism.  We know that the Catholic Church was heavily influenced by Roman Paganism of the day.  Also, we know that the WoF/Prosperity doctrine has pagan roots i.e., God Man.  You see, we are up against something greater than mere apostasy.  We who are the purveyors of truth are being squeezed in by blasphemous teachings which cloak themselves in forms of Christianity yet are paganistic within.  This is why mere pointing out the lies like the gentleman did at Osteen’s Church, what we do on PP, and what you do here will have little effect.  I’m not implying that this is not good.  On the contrary.  What we do IS good and correct.  What I am saying is that I don’t think we can have much of an impact on people who are following a cult.   Bad doctrine is one thing but cultic practices are a whole different level.  These people are blindly following Pimps based solely on earthly attainment, hyper stimulation, and man worship.  Like I said we must continue to contend for the faith yet sadly not get our hopes up high.   </p>
<p>Kyle</p>
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		<title>By: GaryV</title>
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		<dc:creator>GaryV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 00:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HEY PRISCA.............aren&#039;t you the one who quoted Spurgeon over at PP.Org?? Way to go!! I like you already LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HEY PRISCA&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.aren&#8217;t you the one who quoted Spurgeon over at PP.Org?? Way to go!! I like you already LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to know when will Mr. Jones site be back up? I vist your site all the time but I don&#039;t post.One thing you stay on Mr.Jones site alot, I read your comments there to, great site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to know when will Mr. Jones site be back up? I vist your site all the time but I don&#8217;t post.One thing you stay on Mr.Jones site alot, I read your comments there to, great site.</p>
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		<title>By: Prisca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prisca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 06:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Brother IC....

I have, for the past few days, been on your site reading, studying and thanking God for your obedience in presenting the Word of God, in truth and without guile.  I ran across your site while spending time over at P-P.org.

I wanted to acknowledge and thank you for one of the YouTube videos you listed in this particular article, with regard to Christ-centerd preaching.  It was just what I needed to hush one of those, &quot;well, MY ministry&quot; type folks.  When he stepped off his soap-box, I asked him, &quot;did Jesus have to die to make what you said true?&quot;  I think the conversation was near over at that point, because all I could hear was him sucking all the air out of the room.

Jesus didn&#039;t have to die to give us the Prosperity, the Breakthrough, or the Earthly Dominion Gospel; His sacrifice wasn&#039;t necessary for God to reign down material wealth on man.  His salvific work was necessary to restore our death-deserving lives back to the Father.  When we lose sight of this all encompassing truth, we lose the Gospel, period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Brother IC&#8230;.</p>
<p>I have, for the past few days, been on your site reading, studying and thanking God for your obedience in presenting the Word of God, in truth and without guile.  I ran across your site while spending time over at P-P.org.</p>
<p>I wanted to acknowledge and thank you for one of the YouTube videos you listed in this particular article, with regard to Christ-centerd preaching.  It was just what I needed to hush one of those, &#8220;well, MY ministry&#8221; type folks.  When he stepped off his soap-box, I asked him, &#8220;did Jesus have to die to make what you said true?&#8221;  I think the conversation was near over at that point, because all I could hear was him sucking all the air out of the room.</p>
<p>Jesus didn&#8217;t have to die to give us the Prosperity, the Breakthrough, or the Earthly Dominion Gospel; His sacrifice wasn&#8217;t necessary for God to reign down material wealth on man.  His salvific work was necessary to restore our death-deserving lives back to the Father.  When we lose sight of this all encompassing truth, we lose the Gospel, period.</p>
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		<title>By: art123</title>
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		<dc:creator>art123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 23:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more I read such sites as this and pulpitpimps.com, the more I learn how the pimping game goes with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more I read such sites as this and pulpitpimps.com, the more I learn how the pimping game goes with them.</p>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/08/24/prosperity_doctrine_will_always_fail/comment-page-1/#comment-5653</link>
		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 23:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This certainly is a most obvious case of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Timothy%203:1-9&amp;version=50&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;2 Timothy 3:1-9&lt;/a&gt; and God calling His own to Himself.  Some who never started to understand it before are realizing it now and WILL turn towards sound doctrine.  Many may stay with the pimps, but some are going to come to the truth.

Lower ranking false teachers, such as so-called pastor Stephen F. Smith, probably privately see this as a moment where some of the upper echelons of pimpdom fall down and give him an opportunity to move up a notch.  He&#039;s playing his role in hopes that the big pimps will let him address their sheeple and slice him a piece of the big pimp pies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This certainly is a most obvious case of <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Timothy%203:1-9&amp;version=50" rel="nofollow">2 Timothy 3:1-9</a> and God calling His own to Himself.  Some who never started to understand it before are realizing it now and WILL turn towards sound doctrine.  Many may stay with the pimps, but some are going to come to the truth.</p>
<p>Lower ranking false teachers, such as so-called pastor Stephen F. Smith, probably privately see this as a moment where some of the upper echelons of pimpdom fall down and give him an opportunity to move up a notch.  He&#8217;s playing his role in hopes that the big pimps will let him address their sheeple and slice him a piece of the big pimp pies.</p>
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		<title>By: mjones</title>
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		<dc:creator>mjones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 22:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, being down is something of a relief.  At least now I don&#039;t have to deal with imbeciles like Hotpie.  

I still think they are seriously conflicted, like watching their mothers-in-law going over a cliff in their brand new Benz.  

Stephen Smith is already cranking up the &quot;It&#039;s the devil attacking our generals&quot; crap. 

IT appears that God is actually acting to uncover some of the hypocrisy these people insist on practicing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, being down is something of a relief.  At least now I don&#8217;t have to deal with imbeciles like Hotpie.  </p>
<p>I still think they are seriously conflicted, like watching their mothers-in-law going over a cliff in their brand new Benz.  </p>
<p>Stephen Smith is already cranking up the &#8220;It&#8217;s the devil attacking our generals&#8221; crap. </p>
<p>IT appears that God is actually acting to uncover some of the hypocrisy these people insist on practicing.</p>
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