Comments on: Did Jamal-Harrison Bryant Graduate from Oxford? Graduate Theological Foundation Says He Might be Misleading the Public. (*Updated*) http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/06/25/jhb_no_oxford_grad/ The Independent Conservative saying what needs to be said! Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:35:55 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: IndependentConservative http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/06/25/jhb_no_oxford_grad/comment-page-1/#comment-11914 IndependentConservative Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:54:54 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/?p=1453#comment-11914 Either you didn't read all the information posted above, or you enjoy defending a false teacher. After the post made here and similar posts by other bloggers on their blogs, <a href="http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/09/27/jhb_removes_oxford_claim/" rel="nofollow">Jamal-Harrison Bryant’s bio changed.</a> Try asking Bryant why his bio used to claim Oxford. Obviously my mentioning something that was in plain public view offends you. Try finding a pastor who speaks the true gospel and not a <em>false money-gospel</em>. It will bring much more peace to your soul. Either you didn’t read all the information posted above, or you enjoy defending a false teacher.

After the post made here and similar posts by other bloggers on their blogs, Jamal-Harrison Bryant’s bio changed. Try asking Bryant why his bio used to claim Oxford.

Obviously my mentioning something that was in plain public view offends you. Try finding a pastor who speaks the true gospel and not a false money-gospel. It will bring much more peace to your soul.

]]> By: D-Life http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/06/25/jhb_no_oxford_grad/comment-page-1/#comment-11913 D-Life Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:22:00 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/?p=1453#comment-11913 This is amazing, I have to ask myself this question....who are you and why have you put all of this energy into getting and revealing this information? It's quite obvious that you have some type of personal vendetta against this man and you are using all that you can to try and destroy him---this is quite apparent! Regardless of what you have posted or whatsoever be the "truth" that you are claiming, Jamal Bryant is a man that speaks truth. If the truth be told the majority of pastors don't have a word to give like he does. Why haven't you posted any fyi: on catholic priest or all of these men of the cloth that run around claiming to be holy sexing boys and destroying their lives. Why don't you do that since you have taken on this responsibility to out so called men of God. I dont think anyone who has a mind of their own will listen to you because it's quite obvious where you are coming from. If Jamal Bryant is indeed a liar, indeed in time he will be seen for who he is PERIOD!!! Get a life and do something constructive instead of foolishness like this. Regardless of what you have said here Jamal has a word!!! Plain and simple that will be an asset to those who are in need of it! This is amazing, I have to ask myself this question….who are you and why have you put all of this energy into getting and revealing this information? It’s quite obvious that you have some type of personal vendetta against this man and you are using all that you can to try and destroy him—this is quite apparent! Regardless of what you have posted or whatsoever be the “truth” that you are claiming, Jamal Bryant is a man that speaks truth. If the truth be told the majority of pastors don’t have a word to give like he does. Why haven’t you posted any fyi: on catholic priest or all of these men of the cloth that run around claiming to be holy sexing boys and destroying their lives. Why don’t you do that since you have taken on this responsibility to out so called men of God. I dont think anyone who has a mind of their own will listen to you because it’s quite obvious where you are coming from. If Jamal Bryant is indeed a liar, indeed in time he will be seen for who he is PERIOD!!! Get a life and do something constructive instead of foolishness like this. Regardless of what you have said here Jamal has a word!!! Plain and simple that will be an asset to those who are in need of it!

]]> By: Independent Conservative http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/06/25/jhb_no_oxford_grad/comment-page-1/#comment-6131 Independent Conservative Fri, 28 Sep 2007 00:49:13 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/?p=1453#comment-6131 <strong>Oxford Claim Removed From Jamal-Harrison Bryant’s Bio....</strong> Well I said I thought he was lying and although he’s made his bio a little more honest, the change supports the assertion made by me and others that he was lying before. Lying about his education, although the more important issue remains, that ... Oxford Claim Removed From Jamal-Harrison Bryant’s Bio….

Well I said I thought he was lying and although he’s made his bio a little more honest, the change supports the assertion made by me and others that he was lying before. Lying about his education, although the more important issue remains, that …

]]> By: IndependentConservative http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/06/25/jhb_no_oxford_grad/comment-page-1/#comment-5471 IndependentConservative Sun, 22 Jul 2007 07:04:21 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/?p=1453#comment-5471 Hi Doc Stan, get over it. The issue here is that JHB is misrepresenting himself. Your school, no matter how proud you are of it, is little known and is the reason one of your fellow graduates does not use the name himself. I never referred to GTF as an "online" school in the post, I cited a quote from Matt Green there, take your issue up with him. But I did myself say it was an "online" school in a comment here. I apologize for that. An update has been made to the post. Hi Doc Stan, get over it. The issue here is that JHB is misrepresenting himself. Your school, no matter how proud you are of it, is little known and is the reason one of your fellow graduates does not use the name himself.

I never referred to GTF as an “online” school in the post, I cited a quote from Matt Green there, take your issue up with him. But I did myself say it was an “online” school in a comment here. I apologize for that. An update has been made to the post.

]]> By: dr.stan http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/06/25/jhb_no_oxford_grad/comment-page-1/#comment-5470 dr.stan Sun, 22 Jul 2007 02:09:16 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/?p=1453#comment-5470 I happened on to your website and I find your conversation interesting. I am a Fellow and Distinguished graduate of the Graduate Theological Foundation. First, it is not an online school. I took courses at the campus in South Bend and I transferred credits from another doctoral program I attended. Second, The Foundation is affliated with Oxford University and you are free to take courses at one of thirty-someting colleges at Oxford. The summer program is just that a summer program and you can use those four week intensives as a part of your degree requirements. I do not know much about online schools, I have a BS and a M.Th but if this is an on line school then most people would not qualify to enter or complete the requirements for the doctorate of ministry. I teach at a local seminary with my "online degree" and my knowledge of biblical studies, church history, systematic, moral theology and Ecumenical thought is second to none. Please before you denegrate a school that offers real degrees to committed professional please get your facts straight. Dr. Bryant is incorrect when he says that he received a Ph.D from Oxford, but a mistake by him does not mean that you need to belittle a good school. Dr.Stan I happened on to your website and I find your conversation interesting. I am a Fellow and Distinguished graduate of the Graduate Theological Foundation. First, it is not an online school. I took courses at the campus in South Bend and I transferred credits from another doctoral program I attended. Second, The Foundation is affliated with Oxford University and you are free to take courses at one of thirty-someting colleges at Oxford. The summer program is just that a summer program and you can use those four week intensives as a part of your degree requirements.
I do not know much about online schools, I have a BS and a M.Th but if this is an on line school then most people would not qualify to enter or complete the requirements for the doctorate of ministry.
I teach at a local seminary with my “online degree” and my knowledge of biblical studies, church history, systematic, moral theology and Ecumenical thought is second to none. Please before you denegrate a school that offers real degrees to committed professional please get your facts straight. Dr. Bryant is incorrect when he says that he received a Ph.D from Oxford, but a mistake by him does not mean that you need to belittle a good school.
Dr.Stan

]]> By: GaryV http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/06/25/jhb_no_oxford_grad/comment-page-1/#comment-5390 GaryV Thu, 05 Jul 2007 21:00:06 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/?p=1453#comment-5390 Hey IC...........weren't you a little harsh on Rev Ike?? After all, I think his theology is splendiferous and HE got his degree at Barney's Bible Barn and Paintball Emporium. And it was REALLY uncalled for to make fun of his chosen screenname. Who are YOU to deride his hero?? You need to show more love brother. Sincerely, JimJones2007 Hey IC………..weren’t you a little harsh on Rev Ike?? After all, I think his theology is splendiferous and HE got his degree at Barney’s Bible Barn and Paintball Emporium.

And it was REALLY uncalled for to make fun of his chosen screenname. Who are YOU to deride his hero?? You need to show more love brother.

Sincerely,
JimJones2007

]]> By: IndependentConservative http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/06/25/jhb_no_oxford_grad/comment-page-1/#comment-5385 IndependentConservative Thu, 05 Jul 2007 19:20:34 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/?p=1453#comment-5385 And by the way, SHAME on you for trying to treat the Lord like a mere man. As if The Son sent from Heaven by The Father can be reduced to statements about men who attend seminary! Of course God does not attend seminary. People who wish to learn about God might attend a good seminary though. And those who attend one should be honest about where they went. JHB lies about his education and lies about The Word of God. JHB is a FALSE teacher and binds his listeners in heresy. And by the way, SHAME on you for trying to treat the Lord like a mere man. As if The Son sent from Heaven by The Father can be reduced to statements about men who attend seminary! Of course God does not attend seminary. People who wish to learn about God might attend a good seminary though. And those who attend one should be honest about where they went.

JHB lies about his education and lies about The Word of God. JHB is a FALSE teacher and binds his listeners in heresy.

]]> By: IndependentConservative http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/06/25/jhb_no_oxford_grad/comment-page-1/#comment-5384 IndependentConservative Thu, 05 Jul 2007 19:12:59 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/?p=1453#comment-5384 RevIke - You are the height of obfuscation. Be gone. You're out of here. I don't know if you are the real Rev. Ike or just a fan, but either way, your lauding of one of the kings in the dark art called the prosperity gospel movement is disgusting! Not to mention the MANY legal efforts against Ike regarding actions of a sexual nature. RevIke – You are the height of obfuscation. Be gone. You’re out of here. I don’t know if you are the real Rev. Ike or just a fan, but either way, your lauding of one of the kings in the dark art called the prosperity gospel movement is disgusting! Not to mention the MANY legal efforts against Ike regarding actions of a sexual nature.

]]> By: RevIke http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/06/25/jhb_no_oxford_grad/comment-page-1/#comment-5383 RevIke Thu, 05 Jul 2007 18:54:09 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/?p=1453#comment-5383 IC, don't put words in my mouth. Of course Bryant is a fool for claiming a degree which is not his to claim. My point has to do with Graduate Theological. The fact that a school chooses not to be regionally or ATS accredited may mean something to its detractors, but not to its reputation, if it's well-earned. Most Jewish rabbinical seminaries in this country have chosen not to be regionally-accredited, and if you tried to tell the members of a Jewish Orthodox congregation that their rabbi graduated from an unaccredited seminary they'd roll their eyes and assume that you were an ignoramus. Regional accreditation is of utmost importance to colleges in the context of being able to obtain federal student loans, and that's about it. As the old saying goes, the Lord did not go to a regionally -accredited seminary. IC, don’t put words in my mouth. Of course Bryant is a fool for claiming a degree which is not his to claim. My point has to do with Graduate Theological. The fact that a school chooses not to be regionally or ATS accredited may mean something to its detractors, but not to its reputation, if it’s well-earned. Most Jewish rabbinical seminaries in this country have chosen not to be regionally-accredited, and if you tried to tell the members of a Jewish Orthodox congregation that their rabbi graduated from an unaccredited seminary they’d roll their eyes and assume that you were an ignoramus.
Regional accreditation is of utmost importance to colleges in the context of being able to obtain federal student loans, and that’s about it. As the old saying goes, the Lord did not go to a regionally -accredited seminary.

]]> By: IndependentConservative http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/06/25/jhb_no_oxford_grad/comment-page-1/#comment-5379 IndependentConservative Thu, 05 Jul 2007 04:15:27 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/?p=1453#comment-5379 RevIke - You're kidding right? I mean you really are funny :lol: . They are not accredited and <a href="http://www.gtfeducation.org/html/aboutGTF/Accreditation.html" rel="nofollow">they make no effort to hide it.</a> <blockquote> ... The Foundation bases its academic integrity on its affiliations with Rome and Oxford and has chosen from its inception in 1962 not to formally associate with any government agency for the validation of its educational agenda or programs. All work transferred into the Foundation from other institutions, however, must have been completed at institutions which hold regional accreditation recognized by the United States Department of Education and all foreign credits must comply with similar guidelines. ... Because the Foundation does not fall under the jurisdiction of the Association of Theological Schools or the North Central Association of Colleges and Universities, the Foundation neither holds nor will it seek these accreditations. </blockquote> They are <b>not accredited</b> and make no effort to be. They rely on associations with the church of Rome, that is an organization that base salvation on works and things like praying to Mary - Jesus instructed how to pray in <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%206:8-13;&version=50;" rel="nofollow">Matthew 6:8-13</a> - no mention of Mary, seeking a "priest" to forgive sins when the old priesthood no longer exists - all Christians are of a new priesthood - Jesus Christ is our High Priest and the ONLY one who can forgive sins - <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=hebrews%207-8;&version=50;" rel="nofollow">Hebrews 7 & 8</a>, they laud men who are treated <B>JUST LIKE JESUS WARNED AGAINST</B> regarding the scribes in <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark%2012:38-44;&version=50;" rel="nofollow">Mark 12:38-44</a>, <B>from the "pope" down the organization emulates the scribes and the Pharisees Jesus warned of in <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=47&chapter=23&version=50" rel="nofollow">Matthew 23</a></B>, the group is not truly rooted on faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. <b>And an "affiliation" with Oxford does not an Oxford degree make. That is the real issue here. Regardless of whether they were accredited or not JHB is misrepresenting his educational background.</b> JHB claims to be a Protestant minister, yet he attended an unaccredited university that is rooted in the misguided doctrine of Roman Catholicism. I could mention <em>some</em>, although not as tightly bound Catholic links even if it were Oxford, but let's not play like ties to Rome is something to brag about! JHB lies to trump up himself. Sorry, but claiming "Rome" does not register as accreditation with me. In fact, being under control of Rome is more of a minus to me than a plus! RevIke – You’re kidding right? I mean you really are funny :lol: .

They are not accredited and they make no effort to hide it.

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The Foundation bases its academic integrity on its affiliations with Rome and Oxford and has chosen from its inception in 1962 not to formally associate with any government agency for the validation of its educational agenda or programs.

All work transferred into the Foundation from other institutions, however, must have been completed at institutions which hold regional accreditation recognized by the United States Department of Education and all foreign credits must comply with similar guidelines.
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Because the Foundation does not fall under the jurisdiction of the Association of Theological Schools or the North Central Association of Colleges and Universities, the Foundation neither holds nor will it seek these accreditations.

They are not accredited and make no effort to be. They rely on associations with the church of Rome, that is an organization that base salvation on works and things like praying to Mary – Jesus instructed how to pray in Matthew 6:8-13 – no mention of Mary, seeking a “priest” to forgive sins when the old priesthood no longer exists – all Christians are of a new priesthood – Jesus Christ is our High Priest and the ONLY one who can forgive sins – Hebrews 7 & 8, they laud men who are treated JUST LIKE JESUS WARNED AGAINST regarding the scribes in Mark 12:38-44, from the “pope” down the organization emulates the scribes and the Pharisees Jesus warned of in Matthew 23, the group is not truly rooted on faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

And an “affiliation” with Oxford does not an Oxford degree make. That is the real issue here. Regardless of whether they were accredited or not JHB is misrepresenting his educational background.

JHB claims to be a Protestant minister, yet he attended an unaccredited university that is rooted in the misguided doctrine of Roman Catholicism. I could mention some, although not as tightly bound Catholic links even if it were Oxford, but let’s not play like ties to Rome is something to brag about! JHB lies to trump up himself.

Sorry, but claiming “Rome” does not register as accreditation with me. In fact, being under control of Rome is more of a minus to me than a plus!

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