June 13, 2007

Peddling the Faith with Bones and Thugs. (*Updated*)

by @ 12:04 pm. Filed under Nuts on Parade

When the hip hop group Bone-Thugs & Harmony released their first single, under the leadership of now dead from AIDS rapper Easy-E, the video featured them mocking a minister who was delivering a sermon where he stated he was against thugs. Well now the thugs are claiming the Lord on one track (with Yolanda Adams) and claiming they’ll lay you dead in the streets if you cross them on the next. Please check out the post by Dazzarai, he ties this one up pretty well at his blog, Christianitywatch.

Now that you’ve learned the deal on that. I must say, that the entire concept of marketing Gospel of any kind is without a scriptural foundation. Even when not done with thugs. Even when every track gives the Lord the highest praise, it still runs counter to the work of Jesus and the apostles.

2 Corinthians 2:17 (New King James Version)

17) For we are not, as so many, peddling the word of God; but as of sincerity, but as from God, we speak in the sight of God in Christ.

Dazzarai referred to a good and well applied portion of scripture from the book of James, the 3rd chapter. I think one more verse from that chapter sums this up pretty well.

James 3:16 (New King James Version)

16) For where envy and self-seeking exist, confusion and every evil thing are there.

The bottom line is that this peddling is rooted in self-seeking gain. At times it has the appearance of Christ, but it’s a false front. Their true motives are rooted in the love of money. Otherwise, those who claim to deliver gospel in songs would not peddle in their delivery of something that should be freely given.

I ask you, if a good elder is worthy of double honor, why are Christians propping singers up with 1000 fold honor? And if the good elder should strive to avoid being a burden on the church, what of the singers? This gospel-celebrity culture is a sick thing and not of the Lord Jesus Christ.

update 6/14/2007 11:47AM:
Dazzarai has put together a video to help expose this.

Yolanda Adams and Bone Thugs Collaboration

You probably know people who sing hymns in your area who do it freely and might need your help in some way. Consider them before these gospel celebrity types.

6 Responses to “Peddling the Faith with Bones and Thugs. (*Updated*)”

  1. fourpointer Says:

    I don’t have a real big problem with gospel singers making a living singing songs of praise. I don’t see it a being that much different than any other ministry. The problems arise when the “industry” tries to look like the world. (Didn’t Paul say something about that?)
    For one thing, why do they have gospel music AWARDS SHOWS. What is the point? “Yes! We won! We praised GOD better than those others!”

    And, yes, one of the people I have a HUGE problem with is Yolanda Adams. Not sure if you recall, but a few years ago she was on a tribute show for John Lennon, one of the world’s most famous COMMUNISTS/ATHEISTS. And what song did she sing? “Imagine”.

    Imagine there’s no Heaven,
    it’s easy if you try.
    No Hell below us,
    above us only sky.
    Imagine all the people
    living for today.

    Imagine there’s no countries,
    it isn’t hard to do.
    Nothing to kill or die for,

    You may say I’m a dreamer,
    but I’m not the only one.
    I hope someday you’ll join us,
    and the world will be as one.

    Basically, this was a Communist anthem. But, alas, Ms. Adams didn’t mind “imagining” no Heaven (So, just where does GOD reside?), nothing to die for (Like, say, spreading the Gospel), and no religion (including, dare I say, CHRISTIANITY???). And when she sang “I hope someday you’ll join us”, just who is “us”?

  2. IndependentConservative Says:

    If they wish to labor in some form of ministry, shouldn’t that be done on the basis of what is freely given to them as they minister freely? Not off what they can peddle “IN JESUS NAME” with a price tag. Jesus never, ever, never, ever taught anyone to peddle the gospel. And it’s something the apostles never did. There is no foundation for putting price tags on material for the saints. That is how they look and act like the world. They go into negotiations with some of the exact same music companies. They have lawyers that secure them the best deal, making sure that while the scream “in the name of Jesus” they are being paid highly for it. As high as they can make the market bear, just like a secular artist. This is not of God.

    Jesus and the apostles never placed set fees on anything, they either accepted what was freely given and often asked that nothing be given at all. The apostle Paul usually worked for his food, as in a job like the tent making that he did, Acts 18:1-4, Acts 20:34. What makes a single one of these singers better? Singers for crying out loud, not elders, but singers!

    I’m not saying no man is worthy of receiving something. I am saying that is to be determined by people freely giving what they feel the person should receive, not a set fee of any kind.

    If these people can’t live off freely given donations they need to go get a day job.

    And yes the “awards” are a straight mess.

    I never knew she sung that song, but I’m not at all surprised.

  3. fourpointer Says:

    Now that I think about it, I can see where you’re coming from. Go into a Christian book store (there’s another thread, huh!) and look at the PRICES they charge for CD’s. I can go to Wal-Mart and get them cheaper!

    Plus, I’ve noticed over the last couple of years that they’ve started putting a “please don’t make copies and give them to your friends. That’s stealing!” disclaimer inside some of these CD’s. I don’t recall seeing them up until a couple of years ago.

    And as for the latest on Ms. Adams, to check out a list of the luminaries she’s going to be appearing with at the 2007 BET Awards, go here

  4. IndependentConservative Says:

    That (BET awards) is so sad. What’s worse, is seeing people turn to watch it.

    Now you see what I’m saying. Regarding the books, I know in our efforts to study there are things we have to buy to help us and we must buy them because we are not allowed them freely. To give as we feel would be appropriate. I mean if you want to charge me a fee, do like Paul and make me a tent 😀 . Not something you claim to give me “in Jesus name”.

    I feel, if you start ministry with a price tag you’re going to keep doing it for the financial return, you’re bound to lose all true focus and do whatever brings the best earthly return. This is why so many either compromise in ministry or end up in total heresy.

    So the book store owner really facilitates the whole thing. And because they specialize, they place a bigger burden on the saints who buy from them than from Wal Mart or (I prefer Better selection, no hassles.)

    And yea, that whole issue of “sharing” is really something. And honestly, it’s not “stealing”. It is violation of copyright. Stealing involves me removing material from you. With “sharing”, there is no guarantee that the person who received a shared copy would have ever purchased the material in the first place. So it’s not “stealing”. (And that’s why nobody the RIAA goes after is charged with “theft”, but rather copyright related violations.) It is violation of copyright, that is illegal and as saints we are not supposed to break the law. The peddling inhibits the spread of ministry more than helping it.

    I do reserve rights here, because I cover many matters not church related at times. (When I started it I didn’t think I’d discuss church matters this much, but I’ve been led by the Lord to address them more.) Also people should not do like Eddie Long and deny credit.

    Typically, I don’t care if posts about church matters are fully copied. I do not want someone thinking that somebody else performed my labor though. To my surprise a Sunday school class made use of one of my post, the teacher was nice enough to ask permission and did not hide where they got the material from. (I guess I’d get upset if a false teacher tried something though.)

    With the non-church posts, depending on the length and intended use, I may or may not be concerned about it being copied.

    But with this and other sites I’ve run I usually allow people to copy things if they ask nicely 🙂 . And don’t act like they made it up themselves.

    I try to keep it as free as I can and not be a burden.

  5. trayjay Says:

    Good morning IC and other posters/readers. First, I’d like to say that singing/music is not a ministry. This is the first mistake that Christians make when seeking out the music industry to be ministered to. Y’Shua never used music to share the Gospel or in any part of His ministry. We’ve gotten so used to it being called a ministry that we’ve bought into it. Sure, a song can touch your heart and encourage you, but that leaves the question of did it minister to you, or manipulate your emotions. While manipulation of one’s emotions may not always be a bad thing (if the music takes me from sad, depressed, or discouraged to happy, assured, or encouraged)we must consider if it changed our situation or just our emotional state. Every time Y’shua “ministered” to someone, there was a real change, unless that person chose not to receive from Him. In my humble opinion, I think we need to teach the Body of Christ to look to what He called ministry and not what the music industry has labeled ministry.

    F.Y.I. Y. Adams also sang sweet thang on BET a year or so ago. On another program, she sang a tribute to Ray Charles. It’s all about YOLANDA!!!. Most of these “artists” are in it for the fame and fortune. That’s why they compromise. Only what you do for Christ is worth doing and when YOU are the focus, it’s not for Christ.

    If I had to sell a CD to pay my bills, I’d be more prone to sell-out when the bills outweigh the bank account. Music/singing is not a ministry – it is a gift and talent that was supposed to be meant for God’s glory. When you put a price tag on it, it reduces the intended purpose while charging people to be manipulated in a good way or otherwise.

    This is my opinion of the whole matter. If people are buying their music just to be entertained, that’s one thing. But the fact they they’ve labeled it ministry and charge for it makes it ungodly.

  6. IndependentConservative Says:

    Even the rich artists “sell out” even more to gain more fame and more fortune. Yolanda has the money and only goes deeper down the slope. And I’ll be honest, I feel Shirley Caesar has been tumbling further downward too. She now teams up with heretics like Jamal Bryant for her “conferences”.

    If it’s about Jesus it should not carry a price tag, accepting donations is fine, but no fixed fees to demand payment for things of the Lord. If we say it’s for the sake of entertainment, then it’s not about Jesus and about entertaining ourselves.

    Regarding music as a form of ministry. It is not to be used as a form of ministry to the lost, but is a form of ministry between saints.

    Music should not be used as the means to minister to lost souls. We reach the lost via sound teaching about Jesus. Music should not be used to reach the lost for the reasons you mentioned trayjay, the music tends to play on emotions and we don’t want someone claiming to accept Jesus because they were lulled into it. We want them to accept Jesus of a sound mind. Accepting Jesus is the most serious thing anyone can ever do in their life, we want them to be 100% sober minded about it.

    There is from my study of scripture, only a foundation for music to be used as ministry between saints, within the body of Christ. See: Colossians 3:15-17 and Ephesians 5:18-21.

    While there are cases where singing may have been overheard by unbelievers, Jesus and the apostles always ministered to the lost via sound teaching, such as in Acts 16:25-34.

    We saints need to be careful about the use of music. This is what I tried to explain in this post. I feel the video if studied can help some folks learn a lot.

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