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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 02:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you and God Bless you too brother.</description>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 02:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darnell,

I really enjoyed reading your responses to the wasaliberal person.  Your comments were on point, and you were always able to provide the appropriate scriptural reference.

The war on terror, that the liberals deny exist, is very complicated, with many actors whose actions and motives may not always be apparent to the casual observer.  I think it was Dr Savage that recently said that “the devils biggest lie is that the devil does not exist.”  Such is true with the enemies of this country.  FWIW, I always keep in mind that the war on terror is the battle for our survival, and the battle of good and evil that has been going on since the beginning of time.  I usually try and impress upon liberals I meet in this type of forum the importance of choosing sides and the eternal consequences of choosing incorrectly, but they seldom listen.
Whenever a liberal says, “Love your enemy,” I just remind myself that we are in a spiritual battle and we must “…put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand (Ephesians 6:13).”  I don’t think God wants his people to run from evil, we should confront it.  My faith tells me that it is possible to love your enemy and to do everything to stand your ground even if a life must be lost.  I believe in the protection of innocent life.  Since “Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends. (John 15:13)” I life lost in the battle against evil is not in vain.
On a political note, the first time I saw John Edwards in person was in a church.  I no longer attend that church.  I realized that any minister that would support him is not the leader of a church that I should be attending.  As I said in my previous post…” I once was blind, but now I see.”
You run a very good site.  Keep up the good work, and keep fightin’ the good fight.  God Bless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darnell,</p>
<p>I really enjoyed reading your responses to the wasaliberal person.  Your comments were on point, and you were always able to provide the appropriate scriptural reference.</p>
<p>The war on terror, that the liberals deny exist, is very complicated, with many actors whose actions and motives may not always be apparent to the casual observer.  I think it was Dr Savage that recently said that “the devils biggest lie is that the devil does not exist.”  Such is true with the enemies of this country.  FWIW, I always keep in mind that the war on terror is the battle for our survival, and the battle of good and evil that has been going on since the beginning of time.  I usually try and impress upon liberals I meet in this type of forum the importance of choosing sides and the eternal consequences of choosing incorrectly, but they seldom listen.<br />
Whenever a liberal says, “Love your enemy,” I just remind myself that we are in a spiritual battle and we must “…put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand (Ephesians 6:13).”  I don’t think God wants his people to run from evil, we should confront it.  My faith tells me that it is possible to love your enemy and to do everything to stand your ground even if a life must be lost.  I believe in the protection of innocent life.  Since “Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends. (John 15:13)” I life lost in the battle against evil is not in vain.<br />
On a political note, the first time I saw John Edwards in person was in a church.  I no longer attend that church.  I realized that any minister that would support him is not the leader of a church that I should be attending.  As I said in my previous post…” I once was blind, but now I see.”<br />
You run a very good site.  Keep up the good work, and keep fightin’ the good fight.  God Bless.</p>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/06/05/democrats_on_faith/comment-page-1/#comment-5280</link>
		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric, you know I could have mentioned &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=52&amp;chapter=13&amp;verse=4&amp;version=50&amp;context=verse&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Romans 13:4&lt;/a&gt; in response to his &quot;love your enemy&quot; assertion, but figured it would not be properly understood given the course of the discussion.  Which is why I let it go.  I had already mentioned the total for babies killed via abortion dwarfs anything taking place in Iraq.

Then of course there were &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.independentconservative.com/2006/03/20/bush_saves_iraqi_lives/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;5,000 babies a month dying in Iraq during the corrupt oil for food scandal with Saddam in power.&lt;/a&gt;

There was &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.independentconservative.com/2006/03/21/naji_sabri/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;evidence of a real threat.&lt;/a&gt;  A threat that had previously attempt to kill a US President.

Some folks paint Christianity as purely pacifist, but jump right over &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&amp;chapter=18&amp;version=50&amp;context=chapter&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Acts 18&lt;/a&gt;.  But I&#039;ve found that the pacifist stance is selective in its application.

But if right now Saddam was still in power, terrorist were plotting from there and not fighting US forces there, Saddam really could have formed a greater alliance with them.  The Clinton Administration always feared Bin Laden would run to Iraq and it would be hard to find him there, plus if he hooked up with Saddam...  The thought of going into Iran if necessary would have been pretty hard to consider, with Saddam still running things in Iraq and knowing he had similar desires.  It all might have been more ugly than some claim if nothing was done in Iraq.  The Bush Administration just totally miscalculated how to handle things after the victory.  Because the leader was taken out, his military dismantled and we could have left right then and there claiming victory.  But these days victory is assessed in the ability to not only tear an enemy down, but build the enemy back up afterwards and since there is an effort to rebuild, some cry about &quot;the war&quot;.  Of course the troops could leave now and suddenly all who are crying about US involvement probably would not say much if a Civil War escalated there.  I don&#039;t think the Liberal view makes much sense, I&#039;m not going to sit and continually cry about the government being engaged in a war against a nation we know was pure evil.  I just don&#039;t like some of the things being allowed there now, like persecution of Christians for example.

In the book The Art of War the instruction is to maintain the enemy&#039;s army and put it under your command, not dismantle it.  Let&#039;s just say although I never broadcast it here, I feel that was a critical mistake.  Yea those guys were bad, but it would have been best to make selective changes than the dismantle them totally.

Or you can take the &quot;blow them all away&quot; route, which is my preferred method at this point given we can&#039;t go back in time, because the &quot;surgical&quot; method of war is proving to be a failure, unless the enemy is not native to that territory.  The &quot;surgical&quot; method only works when the enemy is totally non-native in nature.  Like getting Nazis out of France and such.  Right now, Lebanon is using the &quot;blow them all away&quot; method with their local enemy and it&#039;s working pretty well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, you know I could have mentioned <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=52&amp;chapter=13&amp;verse=4&amp;version=50&amp;context=verse" rel="nofollow">Romans 13:4</a> in response to his &#8220;love your enemy&#8221; assertion, but figured it would not be properly understood given the course of the discussion.  Which is why I let it go.  I had already mentioned the total for babies killed via abortion dwarfs anything taking place in Iraq.</p>
<p>Then of course there were <a href="http://www.independentconservative.com/2006/03/20/bush_saves_iraqi_lives/" rel="nofollow">5,000 babies a month dying in Iraq during the corrupt oil for food scandal with Saddam in power.</a></p>
<p>There was <a href="http://www.independentconservative.com/2006/03/21/naji_sabri/" rel="nofollow">evidence of a real threat.</a>  A threat that had previously attempt to kill a US President.</p>
<p>Some folks paint Christianity as purely pacifist, but jump right over <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&amp;chapter=18&amp;version=50&amp;context=chapter" rel="nofollow">Acts 18</a>.  But I&#8217;ve found that the pacifist stance is selective in its application.</p>
<p>But if right now Saddam was still in power, terrorist were plotting from there and not fighting US forces there, Saddam really could have formed a greater alliance with them.  The Clinton Administration always feared Bin Laden would run to Iraq and it would be hard to find him there, plus if he hooked up with Saddam&#8230;  The thought of going into Iran if necessary would have been pretty hard to consider, with Saddam still running things in Iraq and knowing he had similar desires.  It all might have been more ugly than some claim if nothing was done in Iraq.  The Bush Administration just totally miscalculated how to handle things after the victory.  Because the leader was taken out, his military dismantled and we could have left right then and there claiming victory.  But these days victory is assessed in the ability to not only tear an enemy down, but build the enemy back up afterwards and since there is an effort to rebuild, some cry about &#8220;the war&#8221;.  Of course the troops could leave now and suddenly all who are crying about US involvement probably would not say much if a Civil War escalated there.  I don&#8217;t think the Liberal view makes much sense, I&#8217;m not going to sit and continually cry about the government being engaged in a war against a nation we know was pure evil.  I just don&#8217;t like some of the things being allowed there now, like persecution of Christians for example.</p>
<p>In the book The Art of War the instruction is to maintain the enemy&#8217;s army and put it under your command, not dismantle it.  Let&#8217;s just say although I never broadcast it here, I feel that was a critical mistake.  Yea those guys were bad, but it would have been best to make selective changes than the dismantle them totally.</p>
<p>Or you can take the &#8220;blow them all away&#8221; route, which is my preferred method at this point given we can&#8217;t go back in time, because the &#8220;surgical&#8221; method of war is proving to be a failure, unless the enemy is not native to that territory.  The &#8220;surgical&#8221; method only works when the enemy is totally non-native in nature.  Like getting Nazis out of France and such.  Right now, Lebanon is using the &#8220;blow them all away&#8221; method with their local enemy and it&#8217;s working pretty well.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/06/05/democrats_on_faith/comment-page-1/#comment-5279</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 21:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wasaliberal said, &quot;...I could claim that your faith is false, because you oppose those who oppose the war in Iraq, therefore you support the war, and Jesus said “Love your enemy,” so your fruit is rotten, too.&quot;

&quot;They will make war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will overcome them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.&quot; (Revelation 17:14)

Let your faith be your guide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wasaliberal said, &#8220;&#8230;I could claim that your faith is false, because you oppose those who oppose the war in Iraq, therefore you support the war, and Jesus said “Love your enemy,” so your fruit is rotten, too.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;They will make war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will overcome them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.&#8221; (Revelation 17:14)</p>
<p>Let your faith be your guide.</p>
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		<title>By: jesuswasaliberal</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/06/05/democrats_on_faith/comment-page-1/#comment-5278</link>
		<dc:creator>jesuswasaliberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 18:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen</description>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/06/05/democrats_on_faith/comment-page-1/#comment-5277</link>
		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 18:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No apology needed :) .  God Bless you and I pray we both grow in knowledge of the Lord.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No apology needed <img src='http://www.independentconservative.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  .  God Bless you and I pray we both grow in knowledge of the Lord.</p>
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		<title>By: jesuswasaliberal</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/06/05/democrats_on_faith/comment-page-1/#comment-5276</link>
		<dc:creator>jesuswasaliberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 18:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, I forgot to say: sorry about the snarky comment: &quot;Heaven forbid you should have to discuss opposing points of view.&quot; I make the mistake of assuming I knew why you said my time was short - and of course, that&#039;s what I was objecting to on your part, so we&#039;re back to the log in my eye. I&#039;m sorry.  
You&#039;re right when you say this discussion has gone as long as is useful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, I forgot to say: sorry about the snarky comment: &#8220;Heaven forbid you should have to discuss opposing points of view.&#8221; I make the mistake of assuming I knew why you said my time was short &#8211; and of course, that&#8217;s what I was objecting to on your part, so we&#8217;re back to the log in my eye. I&#8217;m sorry.<br />
You&#8217;re right when you say this discussion has gone as long as is useful.</p>
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		<title>By: jesuswasaliberal</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/06/05/democrats_on_faith/comment-page-1/#comment-5275</link>
		<dc:creator>jesuswasaliberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 18:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My final comment is this:  by your logic, I could claim that your faith is false, because you oppose those who oppose the war in Iraq, therefore you support the war, and Jesus said &quot;Love your enemy,&quot; so your fruit is rotten, too.  
I can&#039;t say that, though, because I realize that it is possible to be brothers &amp; sisters in Christ and still disagree on earthly politics.

May the Lord Bless you &amp; keep you. 
May the Lord make His face to smile upon you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My final comment is this:  by your logic, I could claim that your faith is false, because you oppose those who oppose the war in Iraq, therefore you support the war, and Jesus said &#8220;Love your enemy,&#8221; so your fruit is rotten, too.<br />
I can&#8217;t say that, though, because I realize that it is possible to be brothers &amp; sisters in Christ and still disagree on earthly politics.</p>
<p>May the Lord Bless you &amp; keep you.<br />
May the Lord make His face to smile upon you.</p>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 17:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see the fruit and it&#039;s pretty rotten.  You continue to defend them with claims I can&#039;t see what is obvious to me.

Yes your time here is short.  Not because I don&#039;t allow opposing points of view.  Otherwise you&#039;d never get a single comment here.  But my time for entertaining someone who fails to see the truth is limited, so I can&#039;t entertain you forever and I won&#039;t.

&lt;em&gt;(Mormons, because they continually lie are the only ones I&#039;ve restricted from this blog.  I gave them a chance and had to cut them off from being allowed to comment.  Other than that all others have been allowed to comment, till I say their time is up.  Oh yea, and some lady once was praising a pulpit pimp, I didn&#039;t post her comment because it was a waste of time.  That&#039;s about it.  You get to oppose me, but I don&#039;t engage in circular debates for long and don&#039;t allow continual babble, so once I&#039;m done entertaining it, I send you on your way.  My time is not unlimited in this body of flesh, so I&#039;ve got to ration it out wisely.)&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see the fruit and it&#8217;s pretty rotten.  You continue to defend them with claims I can&#8217;t see what is obvious to me.</p>
<p>Yes your time here is short.  Not because I don&#8217;t allow opposing points of view.  Otherwise you&#8217;d never get a single comment here.  But my time for entertaining someone who fails to see the truth is limited, so I can&#8217;t entertain you forever and I won&#8217;t.</p>
<p><em>(Mormons, because they continually lie are the only ones I&#8217;ve restricted from this blog.  I gave them a chance and had to cut them off from being allowed to comment.  Other than that all others have been allowed to comment, till I say their time is up.  Oh yea, and some lady once was praising a pulpit pimp, I didn&#8217;t post her comment because it was a waste of time.  That&#8217;s about it.  You get to oppose me, but I don&#8217;t engage in circular debates for long and don&#8217;t allow continual babble, so once I&#8217;m done entertaining it, I send you on your way.  My time is not unlimited in this body of flesh, so I&#8217;ve got to ration it out wisely.)</em></p>
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		<title>By: jesuswasaliberal</title>
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		<dc:creator>jesuswasaliberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 17:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This is not about saying anyone that claims to be a Democrat has no faith&quot;

Actually, it is.  That&#039;s what you continue to do.  That was the ONLY reason I responded to your post.  If you disagree with someone&#039;s politics,  I&#039;m ok with that - such is the nature of human interaction.  I DO NOT object to your politics, or the fact that you are conservative - I may disagree with you, but I respect your point of view.    

Again, my only objection is that you continue to insist that these people only CLAIM to be Christians, yet you cannot see inside their hearts, or mine (which you claim to do: &quot;you adore those backwards minded nuts&quot;) 

As far as my time here is running short, it&#039;s your blog, and you have the right to do that.  Heaven forbid you should have to discuss opposing points of view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This is not about saying anyone that claims to be a Democrat has no faith&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, it is.  That&#8217;s what you continue to do.  That was the ONLY reason I responded to your post.  If you disagree with someone&#8217;s politics,  I&#8217;m ok with that &#8211; such is the nature of human interaction.  I DO NOT object to your politics, or the fact that you are conservative &#8211; I may disagree with you, but I respect your point of view.    </p>
<p>Again, my only objection is that you continue to insist that these people only CLAIM to be Christians, yet you cannot see inside their hearts, or mine (which you claim to do: &#8220;you adore those backwards minded nuts&#8221;) </p>
<p>As far as my time here is running short, it&#8217;s your blog, and you have the right to do that.  Heaven forbid you should have to discuss opposing points of view.</p>
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