Comments on: Rick Warren Asks the Money Changers to Partner With The Church. This Could Be Worse Than Faith Based Funding. http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/04/26/rick_warren_w_moneychangers/ The Independent Conservative saying what needs to be said! Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:35:55 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: IndependentConservative http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/04/26/rick_warren_w_moneychangers/comment-page-1/#comment-6166 IndependentConservative Sat, 29 Sep 2007 15:23:26 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/?p=1350#comment-6166 Gxg - I don't attempt to and you should not expect to see me say something about everything out there that you hear about. <b>You should assist in covering these things by starting a blog.</b> And before you say it, I don't have "time" to run a blog either :p . Of course I agree that Rick Warren is wrong. Regarding Obama and a great many other things. And the cult Obama claims membership to is a whole post in its self, that <a href="http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/03/03/obama_church/" rel="nofollow">I did mention here.</a> And I didn't even get into things like that denomination embracing sodomy. They've got more wrong that I have time to type about. And did you know that Presidential candidate Fred Thompson had his 2nd marriage performed at a UCC spot? I don't have time to type about it all. Start a blog and speak on what you know. And some things depending on what the matter is I just don't speak about simply because I'm just not going to. But these things with Rick and Obama were not addressed because of time. Gxg – I don’t attempt to and you should not expect to see me say something about everything out there that you hear about.

You should assist in covering these things by starting a blog. And before you say it, I don’t have “time” to run a blog either :p .

Of course I agree that Rick Warren is wrong. Regarding Obama and a great many other things. And the cult Obama claims membership to is a whole post in its self, that I did mention here. And I didn’t even get into things like that denomination embracing sodomy. They’ve got more wrong that I have time to type about. And did you know that Presidential candidate Fred Thompson had his 2nd marriage performed at a UCC spot?

I don’t have time to type about it all. Start a blog and speak on what you know.

And some things depending on what the matter is I just don’t speak about simply because I’m just not going to. But these things with Rick and Obama were not addressed because of time.

]]> By: Gxg http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/04/26/rick_warren_w_moneychangers/comment-page-1/#comment-6163 Gxg Sat, 29 Sep 2007 08:15:40 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/?p=1350#comment-6163 IC, In researching your blog, I was wondering why there has yet to be a post on the mess that happened recently with Rick Warren. In case you don't know, he claims to be against abortion & yet he had Senator Barack Obama come to his church & speak,.......never calling out ANYTHING he did wrong since Obama is PRO-ABORTION. Rick Warren said POINT BLANK that it really doesn't matter whether you're gay or pro-abortion or anything else, as long as you're working on a social issue.... Go here to find out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTfY2_ivYdQ&mode=related&search= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEjdpqZZASc&mode=related&search= As disturbing as it was to hear of this....& especially in light of how many Christians seem to be CONDONING THIS, guess it's what to be expected, as seen in some of his words in this CNN Interview from last spring called "What would Jesus do?": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YcGlFCEER8&mode=related&search= Please let me know what you think, sir......Would really like to get your feedback....& QUICK!!!!! IC,

In researching your blog, I was wondering why there has yet to be a post on the mess that happened recently with Rick Warren.

In case you don’t know, he claims to be against abortion & yet he
had Senator Barack Obama come to his church & speak,…….never calling out ANYTHING he did wrong since Obama is PRO-ABORTION.
Rick Warren said POINT BLANK that it really doesn’t matter whether you’re gay or
pro-abortion or anything else, as long as you’re working on a social issue….

Go here to find out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTfY2_ivYdQ&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEjdpqZZASc&mode=related&search=

As disturbing as it was to hear of this….& especially in light of how many Christians seem to be CONDONING THIS, guess it’s what to be expected, as seen in some of his words in this CNN Interview from last spring called “What would Jesus do?”:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YcGlFCEER8&mode=related&search=

Please let me know what you think, sir……Would really like to get your feedback….& QUICK!!!!!

]]> By: Enochwar http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/04/26/rick_warren_w_moneychangers/comment-page-1/#comment-5466 Enochwar Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:34:30 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/?p=1350#comment-5466 I am new to this. When the new pastor came 7 years ago he began introducing Purpose Driven materials to the church. Going to Rick Warrens church. Needless to say many left. (smart folks) I still remain because my husband refuses and sees nothing wrong. I still hope for the church to turn around. My point is now the pastor wants to start calling people who join the church "partners" instead of members. Your article greatly alarms me. I guess there is no hope for the church now. I am new to this. When the new pastor came 7 years ago he began introducing Purpose Driven materials to the church. Going to Rick Warrens church. Needless to say many left. (smart folks) I still remain because my husband refuses and sees nothing wrong. I still hope for the church to turn around. My point is now the pastor wants to start calling people who join the church “partners” instead of members. Your article greatly alarms me. I guess there is no hope for the church now.

]]> By: Medina Pullings, Rick Warren, Benny Hinn, Robert Tilton, TD Jakes, Jeremiah Cummings, WOW! « Heal The Land With Spiritual Warfare http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/04/26/rick_warren_w_moneychangers/comment-page-1/#comment-5156 Medina Pullings, Rick Warren, Benny Hinn, Robert Tilton, TD Jakes, Jeremiah Cummings, WOW! « Heal The Land With Spiritual Warfare Tue, 01 May 2007 10:57:50 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/?p=1350#comment-5156 [...] And Rick Warren doing still more to get the church under financial control of the Council on Foreign Relations anti - Christ money machine. [...] [...] And Rick Warren doing still more to get the church under financial control of the Council on Foreign Relations anti – Christ money machine. [...]

]]> By: Mark http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/04/26/rick_warren_w_moneychangers/comment-page-1/#comment-5137 Mark Fri, 27 Apr 2007 21:03:55 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/?p=1350#comment-5137 yep, I think you nailed it there. He is more interested in temporary relief than eternal salvation, I dare say. Our fruits must first be concerned with Chirst's message and the spiritual welfare of the lost. Local churches need not be the third leg of a Worldwide One Stop Shop running on anything less. yep, I think you nailed it there. He is more interested in temporary relief than eternal salvation, I dare say. Our fruits must first be concerned with Chirst’s message and the spiritual welfare of the lost. Local churches need not be the third leg of a Worldwide One Stop Shop running on anything less.

]]> By: IndependentConservative http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/04/26/rick_warren_w_moneychangers/comment-page-1/#comment-5136 IndependentConservative Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:44:56 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/?p=1350#comment-5136 Rick Warren mentions the spiritual, but has no substance to it. He's really about the physical and he knows his "partners" would refuse to work with him if he REALLY wanted to expand efforts in the spiritual realm. He's putting the physical before the message of Christ and spiritual salvation. This is an extension of everyone wanting money and an earthly utopia. Warren has made it clear, his primary goal is not souls, but bellies. If churches have done great work minus government and minus corporate involvement, nobody in their right mind would dare seek to involve government red-tape and corporate nonsense in church affairs. Government and Corporations are not about the message of Jesus Christ and will ensure efforts they support keep that from being the primary focus. Warrens going to have church goers so tired from handing out meals that they won't have time for the message of Jesus. Like the church handing out AIDS medicine that he mentions, while that is nice for them to do, they need to seek to have some other group handle that. The apostles were not medicine men. I would say that the church is not there to be the world's grocery store, but there are already places called "churches" that run entire malls :roll: . Rick Warren mentions the spiritual, but has no substance to it. He’s really about the physical and he knows his “partners” would refuse to work with him if he REALLY wanted to expand efforts in the spiritual realm.

He’s putting the physical before the message of Christ and spiritual salvation.

This is an extension of everyone wanting money and an earthly utopia. Warren has made it clear, his primary goal is not souls, but bellies.

If churches have done great work minus government and minus corporate involvement, nobody in their right mind would dare seek to involve government red-tape and corporate nonsense in church affairs. Government and Corporations are not about the message of Jesus Christ and will ensure efforts they support keep that from being the primary focus.

Warrens going to have church goers so tired from handing out meals that they won’t have time for the message of Jesus. Like the church handing out AIDS medicine that he mentions, while that is nice for them to do, they need to seek to have some other group handle that. The apostles were not medicine men.

I would say that the church is not there to be the world’s grocery store, but there are already places called “churches” that run entire malls :roll: .

]]> By: Mark http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/04/26/rick_warren_w_moneychangers/comment-page-1/#comment-5135 Mark Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:26:53 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/?p=1350#comment-5135 ok, call me slow... I read the Forbes article. I think he underestimates the local church as it wroks today, and way over estimates the effectiveness of involving Govt and Corp to reach 'his' goals. There are hundreds of groups that currently work effective relief using local christian churches. Maybe he should just say he wants: the church(worldwide christians) to do what Govt, Business, and Saddleback want done. He cites Saddleback's contributions on several recent natural disasters and wants the body of Christ, the church, to join the Govt and Business in world wide response team. I think this has nothing to do with proclaiming Christ, and eveything to do with a world wide 'response team' to his 5 goals. The feet on the street being christians world wide. They work for nothing as it is, lets get'em motivated for Govt and Corp sponsered efforts (well intended perhaps) as well. ok, call me slow… I read the Forbes article. I think he underestimates the local church as it wroks today, and way over estimates the effectiveness of involving Govt and Corp to reach ‘his’ goals. There are hundreds of groups that currently work effective relief using local christian churches. Maybe he should just say he wants: the church(worldwide christians) to do what Govt, Business, and Saddleback want done. He cites Saddleback’s contributions on several recent natural disasters and wants the body of Christ, the church, to join the Govt and Business in world wide response team. I think this has nothing to do with proclaiming Christ, and eveything to do with a world wide ‘response team’ to his 5 goals. The feet on the street being christians world wide. They work for nothing as it is, lets get’em motivated for Govt and Corp sponsered efforts (well intended perhaps) as well.

]]> By: Mark http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/04/26/rick_warren_w_moneychangers/comment-page-1/#comment-5132 Mark Fri, 27 Apr 2007 18:11:04 +0000 http://www.independentconservative.com/?p=1350#comment-5132 Nice work man. I sometimes think these mega churches begin to think like govt and corp's because they usually operate like one. That includes Christ not being mentioned in some of Rick Warren's outreaches and programs his church offers. I am not saying it's done on purpose, but it may not be welcomed to a mass audience. I don't like the taste of any body of Christ partnerships that do not First and Foremost teach Christ crucified. The term "spiritual emptiness" don't sit well with me either. Even Wiccans offer relief for that. Nice work man. I sometimes think these mega churches begin to think like govt and corp’s because they usually operate like one. That includes Christ not being mentioned in some of Rick Warren’s outreaches and programs his church offers. I am not saying it’s done on purpose, but it may not be welcomed to a mass audience. I don’t like the taste of any body of Christ partnerships that do not First and Foremost teach Christ crucified. The term “spiritual emptiness” don’t sit well with me either. Even Wiccans offer relief for that.

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