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	<title>Comments on: Eddie Long Pimping for TBN with Steve Munsey &#8211; Night 3 of the TBN Pimp-a-thon! (Video)</title>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/04/12/long_n_munsey_tbn/comment-page-1/#comment-7973</link>
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		<description>OLLYWEST - Your assessment of the parable of the wheat and the tares is incorrect.

&lt;b&gt;Matthew 13:24-30 NASB&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt; 24 Jesus presented another parable to them, saying, &quot;The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field.

 25 &quot;But while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went away.

 26 &quot;But when the wheat sprouted and bore grain, then the tares became evident also.

 27 &quot;The slaves of the landowner came and said to him, &#039;Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?&#039;

 28 &quot;And he said to them, &#039;An enemy has done this!&#039; The slaves said to him, &#039;Do you want us, then, to go and gather them up?&#039;

 29 &quot;But he said, &#039;No; for while you are gathering up the tares, you may uproot the wheat with them.

 30 &#039;Allow both to grow together until the harvest; and in the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, &quot;First gather up the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them up; but gather the wheat into my barn.&quot;&#039;&quot; &lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;b&gt;Matthew 13:36-43 NASB&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt; 36 Then He left the crowds and went into the house And His disciples came to Him and said, &quot;Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field.&quot;

 37 And He said, &quot;The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man,

 38 and the field is the world; and as for the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; and the tares are the sons of the evil one;

 39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is the end of the age; and the reapers are angels.

 40 &quot;So just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age.

 41 &quot;The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all (K)stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness,

 42 and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 43 &quot;Then THE RIGHTEOUS WILL SHINE FORTH AS THE SUN in the kingdom of their Father He who has ears, let him hear. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Notice, the slaves that are held back from gathering early are the angels of the Lord.  There is NOTHING in that parable that prevents good seed or wheat from warning fellow wheat about bad seed or tares.

Christians are supposed to judge those who claim the Lord&#039;s name.  Judge if they are someone fit to associate with.

&lt;b&gt;1 Corinthians 5:9-13 (New American Standard Bible)&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt; 9 I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people;

 10 I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world.

 11 But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler--not even to eat with such a one.

 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church?

 13 But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

What you see above is the height of covetous and swindling, being done in the Lord&#039;s name.  That is the work of immorality, not the Gospel of the Lord Jesus.  The teaching is false, we are not to be with people who are immoral and avoid false teachers.  As it is written in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20peter%202;&amp;version=49;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;2 Peter 2&lt;/a&gt;.

Eddie Long is shown there trying to sell the gift of God as something that can be bartered with money.  That is heresy as noted in scripture.

&lt;b&gt;Acts 8:20-21 (New American Standard Bible)&lt;/b&gt;
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 20 But Peter said to him, &quot;May your silver perish with you, because you thought you could obtain the gift of God with money!

 21 &quot;You have no part or portion in this matter, for your heart is not right before God. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Saints are instructed to avoid people like Eddie Long.
&lt;b&gt;Romans 16:17 (New American Standard Bible)&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt; 17 Now I urge you, brethren, keep your eye on those who cause dissensions and hindrances contrary to the teaching which you learned, and turn away from them.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It is an act of Christian love to sound the alarm when someone is trying to fleece the flock.  If your biological brother were about to be scammed by someone about to sell them a malfunctioning car, you would war him.  You would not hesitate.  Even more so with our brothers and sisters in Christ we are to help them avoid acts of heresy.

&lt;b&gt;1 Thessalonians 5:14 (New American Standard Bible)&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
 14 We urge you, brethren, admonish the unruly, encourage the fainthearted, help the weak, be patient with everyone.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This age is well described in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20thes%202&amp;version=49&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;2 Thessalonians 2&lt;/a&gt;.

Showing and warning about these false teachers and their tactics helps saints better identify the phony from the genuine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OLLYWEST &#8211; Your assessment of the parable of the wheat and the tares is incorrect.</p>
<p><b>Matthew 13:24-30 NASB</b></p>
<blockquote><p> 24 Jesus presented another parable to them, saying, &#8220;The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field.</p>
<p> 25 &#8220;But while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went away.</p>
<p> 26 &#8220;But when the wheat sprouted and bore grain, then the tares became evident also.</p>
<p> 27 &#8220;The slaves of the landowner came and said to him, &#8216;Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?&#8217;</p>
<p> 28 &#8220;And he said to them, &#8216;An enemy has done this!&#8217; The slaves said to him, &#8216;Do you want us, then, to go and gather them up?&#8217;</p>
<p> 29 &#8220;But he said, &#8216;No; for while you are gathering up the tares, you may uproot the wheat with them.</p>
<p> 30 &#8216;Allow both to grow together until the harvest; and in the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, &#8220;First gather up the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them up; but gather the wheat into my barn.&#8221;&#8216;&#8221; </p></blockquote>
<p><b>Matthew 13:36-43 NASB</b></p>
<blockquote><p> 36 Then He left the crowds and went into the house And His disciples came to Him and said, &#8220;Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field.&#8221;</p>
<p> 37 And He said, &#8220;The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man,</p>
<p> 38 and the field is the world; and as for the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; and the tares are the sons of the evil one;</p>
<p> 39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is the end of the age; and the reapers are angels.</p>
<p> 40 &#8220;So just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age.</p>
<p> 41 &#8220;The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all (K)stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness,</p>
<p> 42 and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.</p>
<p> 43 &#8220;Then THE RIGHTEOUS WILL SHINE FORTH AS THE SUN in the kingdom of their Father He who has ears, let him hear. </p></blockquote>
<p>Notice, the slaves that are held back from gathering early are the angels of the Lord.  There is NOTHING in that parable that prevents good seed or wheat from warning fellow wheat about bad seed or tares.</p>
<p>Christians are supposed to judge those who claim the Lord&#8217;s name.  Judge if they are someone fit to associate with.</p>
<p><b>1 Corinthians 5:9-13 (New American Standard Bible)</b></p>
<blockquote><p> 9 I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people;</p>
<p> 10 I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world.</p>
<p> 11 But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler&#8211;not even to eat with such a one.</p>
<p> 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church?</p>
<p> 13 But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES. </p></blockquote>
<p>What you see above is the height of covetous and swindling, being done in the Lord&#8217;s name.  That is the work of immorality, not the Gospel of the Lord Jesus.  The teaching is false, we are not to be with people who are immoral and avoid false teachers.  As it is written in <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20peter%202;&#038;version=49;" rel="nofollow">2 Peter 2</a>.</p>
<p>Eddie Long is shown there trying to sell the gift of God as something that can be bartered with money.  That is heresy as noted in scripture.</p>
<p><b>Acts 8:20-21 (New American Standard Bible)</b></p>
<blockquote><p>
 20 But Peter said to him, &#8220;May your silver perish with you, because you thought you could obtain the gift of God with money!</p>
<p> 21 &#8220;You have no part or portion in this matter, for your heart is not right before God.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Saints are instructed to avoid people like Eddie Long.<br />
<b>Romans 16:17 (New American Standard Bible)</b></p>
<blockquote><p> 17 Now I urge you, brethren, keep your eye on those who cause dissensions and hindrances contrary to the teaching which you learned, and turn away from them.</p></blockquote>
<p>It is an act of Christian love to sound the alarm when someone is trying to fleece the flock.  If your biological brother were about to be scammed by someone about to sell them a malfunctioning car, you would war him.  You would not hesitate.  Even more so with our brothers and sisters in Christ we are to help them avoid acts of heresy.</p>
<p><b>1 Thessalonians 5:14 (New American Standard Bible)</b></p>
<blockquote><p>
 14 We urge you, brethren, admonish the unruly, encourage the fainthearted, help the weak, be patient with everyone.
</p></blockquote>
<p>This age is well described in <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20thes%202&#038;version=49" rel="nofollow">2 Thessalonians 2</a>.</p>
<p>Showing and warning about these false teachers and their tactics helps saints better identify the phony from the genuine.</p>
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		<title>By: OLLYWEST</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/04/12/long_n_munsey_tbn/comment-page-1/#comment-7972</link>
		<dc:creator>OLLYWEST</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 02:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a nothern Canadian remote from Christian USA but I just installed satelite TV.  I recently watched the  Canadian Miracle Channel raise money.  Oh you guys!!  This is the age of entertainment for the masses.  Why so shocked? and always trying to critique the televangelists. Remember the story of the wheat and the tares.  The phony and the genuine are aloud to grow up together until the harvest.  The trick is to know the phony from the genuine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a nothern Canadian remote from Christian USA but I just installed satelite TV.  I recently watched the  Canadian Miracle Channel raise money.  Oh you guys!!  This is the age of entertainment for the masses.  Why so shocked? and always trying to critique the televangelists. Remember the story of the wheat and the tares.  The phony and the genuine are aloud to grow up together until the harvest.  The trick is to know the phony from the genuine.</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie Long, Benny Hinn, Steve Munsey, TD Jakes, Al Sharpton: How Can They Walk Together Unless They Agree? &#171; Heal The Land With Spiritual Warfare</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/04/12/long_n_munsey_tbn/comment-page-1/#comment-5083</link>
		<dc:creator>Eddie Long, Benny Hinn, Steve Munsey, TD Jakes, Al Sharpton: How Can They Walk Together Unless They Agree? &#171; Heal The Land With Spiritual Warfare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 03:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Posted by healtheland on April 12th, 2007  TBN moneychanging take one. TBN moneychanging take two. TD Jakes marching to the beat of the Al Sharpton &#8220;Fire Don Imus Parade&#8221; take three. Now as to why I am criticizing Jakes for demanding Imus&#8217; firing? 1) Because Jakes has taken a beating from the black community and black leaders (like Sharpton) for his closeness to George Bush and for his general conservatism, and this is his attempt to silence the critics and broaden his appeal among blacks and the left. (The Council On Foreign Relations, to whom Jakes has, er, ties, LOVES people with broad appeal like RICK WARREN, OPRAH WINFREY, and ANGELINA JOLIE.) Now, you&#8217;d THINK that black Christians would oppose Jakes over HIS OPPOSITION TO TRINITY, but let us just pray on that one, shall we? 2) Because Jakes HAS to be smart enough to know that the media&#8217;s going after Mel Gibson, Michael Richards, and Don Imus (three scalps in less than a year, when previously the &#8220;Jimmy The Greek&#8221; type of things only took place one in awhile) is just laying the groundwork for their being able to go after CHRISTIANS in a few years. Denounce homosexuality, abortion, or false religions? Not only will you get the Imus treatment, but if you do it in a public area and your accuser can claim to be &#8220;threatened&#8221; or &#8220;intimidated&#8221; by your words (or &#8220;demeanor&#8221;) THEY WILL HAUL YOU OFF TO JAIL! Canada and Great Britain have already fined and chased from the airwaves televangelists for &#8220;offending&#8221; homosexuals and Muslims. Jakes is contributing to what will lead to the same happening over here. And you know what? I bet Jakes knows it. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Posted by healtheland on April 12th, 2007  TBN moneychanging take one. TBN moneychanging take two. TD Jakes marching to the beat of the Al Sharpton &#8220;Fire Don Imus Parade&#8221; take three. Now as to why I am criticizing Jakes for demanding Imus&#8217; firing? 1) Because Jakes has taken a beating from the black community and black leaders (like Sharpton) for his closeness to George Bush and for his general conservatism, and this is his attempt to silence the critics and broaden his appeal among blacks and the left. (The Council On Foreign Relations, to whom Jakes has, er, ties, LOVES people with broad appeal like RICK WARREN, OPRAH WINFREY, and ANGELINA JOLIE.) Now, you&#8217;d THINK that black Christians would oppose Jakes over HIS OPPOSITION TO TRINITY, but let us just pray on that one, shall we? 2) Because Jakes HAS to be smart enough to know that the media&#8217;s going after Mel Gibson, Michael Richards, and Don Imus (three scalps in less than a year, when previously the &#8220;Jimmy The Greek&#8221; type of things only took place one in awhile) is just laying the groundwork for their being able to go after CHRISTIANS in a few years. Denounce homosexuality, abortion, or false religions? Not only will you get the Imus treatment, but if you do it in a public area and your accuser can claim to be &#8220;threatened&#8221; or &#8220;intimidated&#8221; by your words (or &#8220;demeanor&#8221;) THEY WILL HAUL YOU OFF TO JAIL! Canada and Great Britain have already fined and chased from the airwaves televangelists for &#8220;offending&#8221; homosexuals and Muslims. Jakes is contributing to what will lead to the same happening over here. And you know what? I bet Jakes knows it. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Creative Loafing Atlanta &#187; Fresh Loaf &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Atlanta blogs today: Praise-a-thon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Creative Loafing Atlanta &#187; Fresh Loaf &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Atlanta blogs today: Praise-a-thon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 14:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8211; Independent Conservative on Lithonia&#8217;s New Birth Missionary Baptist Church Bishop Eddie Long&#8217;s appearance on TBN&#8217;s Spring Praise-a-thon 2007 fundraiser. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8211; Independent Conservative on Lithonia&#8217;s New Birth Missionary Baptist Church Bishop Eddie Long&#8217;s appearance on TBN&#8217;s Spring Praise-a-thon 2007 fundraiser. [...]</p>
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