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February 27, 2007

Wetback Wives Want Their Husbands Back Home in Mexico

by @ 6:15 pm. Filed under Illegal Aliens

What politician claiming it’s “Christian” to allow illegal immigration is willing to speak to one of these women about where Jesus wants the men of Mexico to be?

Mexican wives want U.S. to return husbands

The women of Tecalpulco, Mexico, want the U.S. government to enforce its immigration laws because they want to force their husbands to come back home from working illegally in the United States.

They have created an English-language Web page where they identify themselves as the “wetback wives” and broadcast their pleas, both to their men and to the U.S. government.

“To the United States government — close the border, send our men home to us, even if you must deport them (only treat them in a humane manner — please do not hurt them),” it reads.

In poignant public messages to their husbands, the women talk about their children who feel abandoned, and worry that the men have forsaken their families for other women and for the American lifestyle.

“You said you were only going to Arizona to get money for our house, but now you have been away and did not come back when your sister got married,” one woman writes to a man named Pedro. “Oh how I worry that you have another woman! Don’t you love me? You told me you love me.”

Villages devoid of men between 20 and 50 are common in many parts of the country. The stories of single mothers struggling to raise their children are just as frequent.

The Wetback Wives website.

Anybody that thinks God wanted men to leave their families in the pursuit of cash is insane. Those people are not starving, otherwise those towns would be EMPTY. Men are leaving their families for an enhanced life, not survival. Chasing the dollar and breaking the law. There is NOTHING Christian about that.

I say no to amnesty, no to illegal immigration and send the illegals BACK HOME.



24 Responses to “Wetback Wives Want Their Husbands Back Home in Mexico”

  1. GraceKim Says:

    If they were given amnesty and permitted them to come legally, then they could go home on weekends and holidays or they could bring their families with them.

  2. bloggingunitedstates Says:

    I love when politicians call these illegal immigrants good Christians. Do good Christians leave their wives for years at a time? Do good Christians break the law? While I believe absence makes the heart grow fonder, desertion makes the heart break.

    Grace,
    Go home on weekends? I wasn’t aware low paid farm workers are part of the jet-set crowd. Lets talk about the impact on the environment. This goes out to all the Global Warming Fascists: You’re concerned about a right-wingers SUV, what about the huge carbon footprint (hate the term) that illegal aliens cause? Driving a 1971 Ford Pinto is not getting Prius mileage, if you know what I mean.

  3. IndependentConservative Says:

    GraceKim – I’m sorry you do such a terrible job of defending illegals. When I engage someone who opposes my view on this subject, I expect a greater intellectual challenge than you’ve presented with your comment.

    But keep reading, because you need this place.

    If an illegal wanted to go back to Mexico after coming here, breaking our immigration laws and usually engaging in identity theft, they could easily go back. They could go back with the money they’ve already made and stay with their families. Oh, but that would the Christian thing to do. Now if they were desiring to continue breaking our laws and going against Biblical rules to obey the laws of our land, we all know they could very easily return. So your mention of amnesty is quite bogus. I can tell you that I know some of the law breaking identity thieves that leave someone else’s good name shattered do go back on a regular basis. So those that wish to return to the USA and break more of our laws do return.

    The real issue here is that these men should not leave their families in the first place. They should not break laws in the name of making a buck. They were honestly not starving in Mexico. I have pointed out in an earlier post that most illegal aliens had jobs where they were before coming into the USA illegally.

    No we can’t just let everyone in that wants to come as quickly as they please. We have a LEGAL immigration process, that should be respected. It helps people who wish to OBEY THE LAW obtain an opportunity to live and work LEGALLY in America. You know, the Christian way to enter a country that has immigration laws. That process is already overloaded, so the door can’t be opened wider right now. And whether it existed or not, those simply wanting a pay raise should respect our laws. Allowing people in unchecked has proven to be an easy access method for terrorists and drugs.

  4. GraceKim Says:

    He starts off with an ad himinem comment. It didn’t expect that. It’s well known that it is not easy or cheap to cross the border illegally. In the past workers did return home more often. If they were permitted to migrate legally, then they would.

    With respect to Biblicity, the Bible does not prevent or discourage a man from traveling for business purposes. The Bible DOES say that a man who does not provide for his family is worse than an unbeliever. For you perhaps you’d proudly obey the law while your mother suffers and dies from a treatable illness just because you didn’t have the money for treatment. Perhaps you’d gladly watch your children live in poverty when there’s something you could do about it. Perhaps if you were running from Saul you would have permitted your companions to suffer from hunger by forbidding them to eat the consecrated bread. If your lamb fell into a pit, you’d stoicly listen to its cries as they got weaker and weaker throughout the day. I admire that. I couldn’t do it.

  5. IndependentConservative Says:

    OK, let’s break down this nonsense piece by piece.

    With respect to Biblicity, the Bible does not prevent or discourage a man from traveling for business purposes. The Bible DOES say that a man who does not provide for his family is worse than an unbeliever.

    These people are breaking the law and you know it. You are ignoring scripture and how a Christian should live. Read an entire post I dedicated to people just like yourself. You feel you are doing something good, when actually you are enabling sin. These men are leaving their families and you’re making excuses for them. THEY SHOULD HAVE NEVER LEFT. The people entering illegally already had jobs and were, not starving as you imply. Which is why the over 80% of people still in Mexico are still alive.

    For you perhaps you’d proudly obey the law while your mother suffers and dies from a treatable illness just because you didn’t have the money for treatment.

    OK, since you can’t adequately defend your position on men leaving their families, you run to the mother with illness excuse. THERE ARE PLENTY OF AMERICANS WITHOUT MONEY FOR HEALTHCARE. And they do obey the law. It’s a shame you would rather defend the few who hurt other people breaking the law in the name of whoever else they feel deserves the money.

    Perhaps you’d gladly watch your children live in poverty when there’s something you could do about it.

    Illegals were already were able to survive before coming here. The over 80% of Mexican citizens that still live in Mexico are able to survive without breaking American laws. It’s a shame you defend the minority who choose to break the law in the name of wealth.

    Perhaps if you were running from Saul you would have permitted your companions to suffer from hunger by forbidding them to eat the consecrated bread.

    Now you’ve jumped into conjecture on a topic already addressed by Christ. I know you’re having trouble defending your position, but what’s next? A scenario with space aliens?

    If your lamb fell into a pit, you’d stoicly listen to its cries as they got weaker and weaker throughout the day. I admire that. I couldn’t do it.

    I don’t own any lambs.

  6. brooklyn Says:

    One of the seriously overlooked reasons why any country must control immigration is for reasons of health. When my family immigrated from Jamaica to the US they had to go through a health check and take a battery of shots. Hospitals have been reporting an increase of tuberculosis that is resistant to our current preventative medicines. This is due to the influx of Mexican and Chinese illegal immigrants who enter the country unchecked. This can easily end up blowing up in our faces and result in a major health crisis. It doesn’t take much for it to happen. That is why we must have controlled legal immigration and stop inviting people across the boarder unchecked and undocumented.

  7. GraceKim Says:

    Again, the Bible does not prevent or discourage a man from traveling for business purposes. For you to suggest that it does is heretical. The Bible does require that one provide for one’s immediate family which is what these men are doing.

    I didn’t ignore Romans 13 or 1 Peter 2. I abide by those passages. However, the Bible neither commands that I enforce the law nor prohibits me from petitioning authorities to have mercy on lawbreakers, as Jesus did with the woman caught in adultery, nor prohibits me from petitioning the government to change laws or write new ones. You have decreed that these men are lawbreakers. Congratulations. You have accomplished nothing. You load people down with burdens they can hardly carry, and you yourself will not lift one finger to help them.

    The fact that there are plenty of Americans without healthcare is irrelevant to the father of a child in Mexico with a tooth infection that could be treated with drugs that his family can’t afford to buy. The man who does not do all he can to provide that medical care for his family is one sorry excuse for a man.

    The scenario of David and the lamb in the pit as well as the reference to how Jesus dealt with the woman caught in adultery and her accusers are examples of how Jesus dealt with law breakers. David and his men ate the bread that the law forbade them to eat. It was mandated by law that the woman caught in adultery be stoned. Laws are made for people; people were not made for the laws. At no time did Jesus point a finger and howl at lawbreakers and sinners. In fact, Jesus invited himself to dinner at the house of Zacchaeus. It wasn’t until after Jesus showed him love and respect
    that Zacchaeus repented.

    For you to say that they should never have left is not for you to say. Who are you to judge another man’s servant? My husband left us today. He’s at his job. In April he will go on a business trip for two weeks. You are in no position to tell him that he shouldn’t do that. You are in no position
    to judge these people.

  8. IndependentConservative Says:

    GraceKim,

    These men and their families were eating in Mexico. These men were doing their full Biblical duty when they remained in Mexico. They fell into the trap of material desires over their Godly duty to be there for their families and left for more money. So these men are no longer doing their duty as Christians (if they claim to follow Jesus at all). They are simply going after desires of their own hearts.

    Jesus talking down a mob from KILLING an adulterous woman for a crime under Mosaic law is not comparable to wanting to see men remain with their families and obey laws of the state.

    These women are not talking about kids with tooth infections, so please stop making up sympathy stories. I’m sure you’ll claim an X-Files like alien plot soon! (No pun intended.)

    Illegals are shown good treatment and respect. Given trials and if incarcerated live better than some Americans. It’s time they repent and go back home.

    I said what I feel about illegal aliens and I stand by my statements. Your comments here are an effort to judge me. So get some Windex for your glass house!

    Nice dodge on the comments made to you by brooklyn and bloggingunitedstates.

    And by the way, I could care less about your family situation.

  9. brooklyn Says:

    Mexico demands that the United States give illegal aliens access to our schools, healthcare system and jobs why don’t they provide the same for immigrants into their country?

    http://www.cis.org/articles/2002/back702.html

    http://washingtontimes.com/national/20050324-121935-8473r.htm

    It is well known that Mexico abuses it’s illegal immigrants on it’s southern border. Many have suffered imprisionment (illegal immigration is treated as a fellony) rape, forced prostitution, murder by Mexican gangs and extortion from Mexican police. So it is the height of hypocrisy for Mexico to demand anything from the US government that it will not provide for it’s illegals.

    I personally demand no less from people who want to enter the US than was expected from my own family members. They all had to wait anywhere from 5 to 10 years (and counting) they had to have medical records and checkups and prove that they would not be a burden to American society.

    So can anyone (specifically Grace) explain to me why should Mexican illegals be treated any different?

    I will patiently await your response to my query.

  10. brooklyn Says:

    Still waiting for a response to my original query.

  11. GraceKim Says:

    Again, you are in no position to judge whether or not these men doing their Godly duty as Christians. You are in no position to judge whether or not they are even Christians. My parents were eating and living in Korea. Like the pilgrims, the Clovis people and millions after them, they migrated. Millions of people migrate to improve their standards of living whether it is from Mexico to the United States or from Tennessee to Georgia to pursue a career. Some people go to college. They had enough to eat before they went to college. They can earn enough for food and clothing by delivering newspapers or mending fences. Yet they decided to go to college. You are in no position to judge any of them. And there is no Biblical mandate that prevents a man from traveling for business purposes despite your heretical suggestions.

    Jesus talking down people from carrying out a punishment mandated by law, his comments on David and his men having eaten bread that was forbidden by law for them to eat and the comment about someone working on the Sabbath (again prohibited by law) to rescue an animal are all examples of how Jesus dealt with those who broke the law. How He treated Zacchaeus, the prostitute who kissed his feet and other sinners is an example of how we
    should treat sinners.

    I made no judgment of you. You judge others and then complain that someone his judging you.

    Brooklyn asks: can anyone explain to me why should Mexican illegals be treated any different? I can’t explain why Mexican illegal aliens should be treated any different than other illegal aliens. Maybe you should direct this question to someone who believes that Mexican illegal aliens should be treated differently? However, I can say that the United States does what is in its best interests regardless of whether that is “fair” to everyone in the world. A dictator receives aid while another dictator does
    not. It’s because our epresentatives believe that it serves our best interests to buy the dictator. Dr. McGillicuddy’s request for a visa is
    approved. Jose Francisco Gallardo’s is not. It’s because our representatives believe it is in our best interest to have Dr. McGillicuddy here and not in our best interest to have Jose here. Karen refugees from the Tham Hin camp are permitted to come to the U.S. Karen refugees from the other refugee camps are not. You may personally think that no less should be demanded from people who want to enter the US than was expected from your family members. However, the U.S. will act on its best interest, and if you don’t like it, then that’s tough.

  12. IndependentConservative Says:

    Moving within the USA is legal without going through an immigration process. Coming from another nation does require it and once again, I could care less about your personal situation. Those who don’t wish to follow immigration laws need to be sent back. And yes if you break the law in the name of upping your pay grade you’re following your own desires and not the will of God.

    You simply dislike when you are held to the same standard you attempt to hold others to regarding judgment.

    You have been deceived into thinking that people who follow legal means to make money are on par with people who choose to break to law in order to make money. Those who broke our laws should repent and return to where they came from. Any prostitute that came to Jesus turned from prostitution. Any tax collector that cheated people and went to Jesus not only turned from cheating people, but repaid a multiple of what they had taken from people. In every case of people going to Jesus, the person in sin turned from that sin and took steps to correct their wrong doing. Often going over and above simple restitution. This is the example you are choosing to overlook. They could return to their families and their wives feel they would be able to survive, which is why they are simply asking us to enforce our laws. Maybe I should tell you that you are in no position to judge them? They are the ones who know their family could survive if their husbands were returned, while you continue to make excuses for men who not only break the law, but left their families.

  13. brooklyn Says:

    GarceKim said…”I can’t explain why Mexican illegal aliens should be treated any different than other illegal aliens. Maybe you should direct this question to someone who believes that Mexican illegal aliens should be treated differently?”

    Okay I’ll bite…

    How do you want to see them treated? Do you think that people who use fake Social Security numbers falsify state and government documentation and commit identity theft should be prosecuted just like a US citizen would if they committed the same acts?

  14. brooklyn Says:

    Indy said “You have been deceived into thinking that people who follow legal means to make money are on par with people who choose to break to law in order to make money.”

    Exactly!!!

    Where does one draw the line? Is a street corner drug dealer selling crack to a pregnant woman on par with a doctor prescribing medicine to a cancer patient?

    Both are selling drugs right? I mean who are we to judge…right?

  15. GraceKim Says:

    Now we’re making progress. You now agree that acting to up “your pay grade” is not in and of itself sinful. And I’ve seen you’ve also backed off the suggestion that men are not permitted to travel for business purposes. I’m glad that you acknowledge that not. It takes a mature person to back off of a position after they’ve been shown that it’s heretical.

    Now your basic argument is that they are illegal immigrants and should repent and leave the country. I agree with that. I also agree that terrorists should stop terrorizing. Abusive fathers should stop abusing their children. Thieves should stop stealing. We’re solving all the world’s problems here you and I. Of course the only problem is that I don’t know if the terrorists, abusive fathers, thieves and other sinners are going to comply.

    I didn’t overlook that the prostitute and the tax collector “turned from” their prostitution and cheating people. In fact, I wrote that. I also did NOT overlook the fact that they “turned from” their sins after and only after they were shown love and compassion from Jesus. The Pharisees whining and moaning and criticizing was not effective in changing their hearts. Neither will a guy whining and moaning and criticizing on a blog change their hearts.

    You are right about that I am not in a position to judge them. Maybe that’s why I didn’t judge them. Neither have I made an excuse for them.

    And I have written nothing to indicate that I have been deceived into thinking that people who follow legal means to make money are on par with people who choose to break to law in order to make money. I never said that. I never implied that. In fact, in my earlier comment I acknowledged that they were lawbreakers.

  16. IndependentConservative Says:

    GraceKim,

    I think it is you who have conceded that these illegals need to leave, rather than me ever conceding anything. Because I never said work and earning money were sinful. I’ve always spoken in the context of ILLEGAL activity in the name of a buck being sinful. Leaving your family that was not starving in the name of making a buck is sinful. Let’s review a statement I said in my very first comment to you.

    The real issue here is that these men should not leave their families in the first place. They should not break laws in the name of making a buck. They were honestly not starving in Mexico.

    I’ve already mentioned them being shown love and compassion.

    Illegals are shown good treatment and respect. Given trials and if incarcerated live better than some Americans. It’s time they repent and go back home.

    Now for all the social services and money they have received in the USA, rather than repent, they remain. Their wives are calling them home. They beg us to enforce our laws. Who am I to not honor the request of these women? I only give a greater voice to their cries that fall on politicians’ deaf ears.

    Now let’s look at my original post and see what I said:

    Anybody that thinks God wanted men to leave their families in the pursuit of cash is insane. Those people are not starving, otherwise those towns would be EMPTY. Men are leaving their families for an enhanced life, not survival. Chasing the dollar and breaking the law. There is NOTHING Christian about that.

    I say no to amnesty, no to illegal immigration and send the illegals BACK HOME.

    Prior to those statements I addressed our politicians. My position has remained unchanged since the start.

  17. GraceKim Says:

    You say the people in Mexico are not starving, therefore there is no need to seek to improve one’s lifestyle. Yet you are in no position to judge. Do you know how many of those families have instances of hunger? Probably none because of the income sent back from their man working in the U.S. But how many nights did they go to bed hungry before? If my family had to go to bed hungry one night (ONE NIGHT!), I would look for a better job. I wouldn’t wait until they all died. How many of their children died at birth because they couldn’t afford rudimentary health care? You don’t know. If one of my children died at birth because I couldn’t afford rudimentary health care, I would do something to make sure I had the money for the next child. What a brave person who risks his life traveling hundreds of miles to a strange land to work to improve his family’s well being.

    Did they leave home merely to follow their material desires? Someone with a 4th grade education who works a menial job at low pay and sends billions of dollars to their mothers and families back home? That’s doesn’t appear to be greedy to me. Those who judge them don’t consider this. What a selfless person to work hard for low pay, live in less than ideal conditions, be away from family and loved ones, and, rather than using the money for his own enjoyment, send it to his family.

    There is no Biblical basis for your claim that they should not leave their families temporarily to find work. No Biblical basis. All you’ve got is that they did something illegal.

    You sit there with a quality K-12 education provided at no cost to you and a myriad of post K-12 educational opportunities, a social safety net and an institutional infrastructure, and you sit there and criticize other people who only want to opportunity to work for a living to provide a decent standard of living for their family. And, no, you didn’t show any of them any love of Christ, and you know it too.

    I’m confident that someday you will change your pharisaical attitude. You changed your position on tithing. I mean tithing. Please. Come on. That new testament believers are not required to follow the mosaic law is so elementary. Loving your neighbors is much more complicated than that so if you’ve only recently dealt with the tithing issue, then you have a long way to go. Keep on keeping on.

  18. IndependentConservative Says:

    You are still attempting to advocate breaking the law, when I am in a position to say they have basic needs met in Mexico. It’s why their own wives ask them to return. Sorry, I won’t change my position on this one.

  19. GraceKim Says:

    I’m advocating breaking the law no more than Jesus did when his disciples picked heads of grain to eat on the Sabbath in Matt. 12. It looks like I’m in good company.

    I knew a family down south, and they weren’t the poorest of the poor. They would be considered poor here, but there they were better off than most. Their daughter was able to go to school, and she was happy and healthy. Then one day she had a stroke. She existed as an invalid for several years before passing away. Had the father gone to the United States to work thereby providing the family with enough income for rudimentary physical exams and health care, they may have been able to prevent that.

    Another family in the same neighborhood was poor by their standards. The oldest daughter went to the United States and got a good job. She could have bought a house for herself, but she sent as much as she could to her family. Her mother was able to get glasses and treatment for her many physical ailments. They could afford medicine and doctor visits when necessary. The younger daughter was able to attend school. The father got false teeth. Meanwhile the oldest daughter was living in a dinky little apartment. Yet you claim that she went to the US going after her material desires. It seems to me that your accusation doesn’t fit the facts.

  20. IndependentConservative Says:

    GraceKim, everybody in all the world that is not rich can claim that they might prevent something if only they had more money in their pocket. Even the American truck driver, that has to eat fast food because he’s got no other option on the road and can’t afford a fancy meal can make this claim, given he might have a heart attack.

    Maybe today he can get a McDonald’s salad, but even that was not always an option. Does this mean that truck driver should break the law to ensure he’s got more money to afford better meals to have better health? If he can’t afford money for an annual checkup, should he steal to be able to pay for one, so he might prevent something?

    We are to be content with what we have, even if we are so broke we end up in debt slavery.

    1 Timothy 6:1-10 (New King James Version)

    1) Let as many bondservants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and His doctrine may not be blasphemed.

    2) And those who have believing masters, let them not despise them because they are brethren, but rather serve them because those who are benefited are believers and beloved. Teach and exhort these things.

    3) If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which accords with godliness,

    4) he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions,

    5) useless wranglings of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself.

    6) Now godliness with contentment is great gain.

    7) For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.

    8) And having food and clothing, with these we shall be content.

    9) But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and harmful lusts which drown men in destruction and perdition.

    10) For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

    Remember the words of our Lord.

    Matthew 6:25-34 (New King James Version)

    25) “Therefore I say to you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink; nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food and the body more than clothing?

    26) Look at the birds of the air, for they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they?

    27) Which of you by worrying can add one cubit to his stature?

    28) “So why do you worry about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin;

    29) and yet I say to you that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.

    30) Now if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will He not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?

    31) “Therefore do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’

    32) For after all these things the Gentiles seek. For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things.

    33) But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you.

    34) Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.

    Again I say to you, the people in Mexico are not starving. So Matt. 12 does not apply here. They live in literally one of the richest nations in the world. Believe it or not, Mexico is a rich nation. Comparatively one of the richest in the world.

    Now lets talk about how we can fight for justice IN MEXICO.

  21. GraceKim Says:

    “Does this mean that truck driver should break the law to ensure he’s got more money to afford better meals to have better health?”

    You pay about as much attention to my comments as you do while reading the Bible. I write about people making sacrifices for their families. You think that’s the same as a truck driver serving his own interests. If someone seeks a better paying job in order to better provide for his family, it does not constitute “going after” his “material desires” as you so wrongfully accuse.

    “Again I say to you, the people in Mexico are not starving. So Matt. 12 does not apply here”

    False. Matt. 12 applies in every country. The disciples were not starving. They could have waiting until the next day to get food just like many people south of the border often do. And your own link concedes that perhaps half the country lives in poverty. If my neighbor is rich, it doesn’t make my life any better. The fact is that there are millions of poor people in Mexico many who go to bed hungry all too often, many who live in substandard housing, many who live on the street, and many who go without medical care. There are many families that have children that suffer from treatable ailments but can’t afford even the most rudimentary medical care. If the parents of these children seek higher paying jobs to better provide their families’ needs, it does not constitute “going after material desires” as you so wrongfully accuse.

  22. IndependentConservative Says:

    GraceKim, I will only tolerate your emotional outburst for a short time. Keep up the silly comments and you’ll be doing them while talking to the screen, without login access to this blog.

    Regarding a truck driver, they could have a sick kid. Should they steal to pay for that child’s medical care? Maybe run illegal drugs so their kid can get a check-up?

    Now let’s talk about the portion of Matthew 12 that you raise, since you choose to say nothing about the verses I’ve cited for you, that clearly refute your claims to cover for illegal immigration.

    Matthew 12:1-8 (New King James Version)

    1) At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. And His disciples were hungry, and began to pluck heads of grain and to eat.

    2) And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to Him, “Look, Your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath!”

    3) But He said to them, “Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him:

    4) how he entered the house of God and ate the showbread which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests?

    5) Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless?

    6) Yet I say to you that in this place there is One greater than the temple.

    7) But if you had known what this means, ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the guiltless.

    8) For the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”

    We see Jesus and his disciples were hungry on the Sabbath and while legally residing in a country, they went into grainfields to eat. The law violated here was not one of eating grain when hungry. There were already Hebrew laws in place to excuse petty theft for the sake of easing hunger. They were not illegally residing in a country. What you miss, is that they violated a Mosaic law regarding the Sabbath. An old law “written in stone”. (See: 2 Corinthians 3:4-11) They did not violate a law of the Earthly ruling government. This, like the stoning Jesus prevented were Mosaic laws, that Jesus intentionally broke, to prove that a new covenant was taking root. So those old laws were going away. And Jesus is Lord of all, including the Sabbath. He is the Lord, he can do what he wants, even on what was designated as His Day. Just the same, Jesus never actually “broke” a law, he just showed us a better way, because of the Pharisees’ lack of understanding. He is the Lord, he can’t break what does not apply to him. And just the same he lived a life on Earth in flesh that was perfect in every way.

    Now under the new covenant, Christians are required to obey the laws of the land.

    Romans 13:1-7 (New King James Version)

    1) Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.

    2) Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.

    3) For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same.

    4) For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.

    5) Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake.

    6) For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing.

    7) Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.

    When Jesus was taken to be judged, the Roman rulers could not find any fault in him. He never asked anyone to steal in violation of Roman laws to eat. He never asked anyone to break any of the ruling government’s laws and the ruling government’s laws did not conflict with being able to live right as an individual.

    You see people who are in need. It is a Christian’s duty to give to them. Give to them where they are. Don’t violate US laws and claim you’re doing it for Christ’s sake. Pray that their (Mexico’s) corruption is removed.

  23. GraceKim Says:

    I never said anyone should steal to provide for their family. I wrote what I wrote to refute your false claim that the immigrants are merely “going after” their “material desires” by migrating. You have judged, and you have judged incorrectly. I have referred to information that suggests that these immigrants send billions of dollars annually to their respective families in their respective countries meanwhile living in less than ideal conditions themselves. I used an example of some families I’ve known I have refuted your suggestion that these people migrate because they are merely “going after” their “material desires”. Your attempts to avoid that are telling.

    Telling also is your suggestion that man’s laws are more important than God’s laws. The mosaic law was in force and was the law at the time of Matthew 12. The disciples (who were not dead) violated letter of the law that was in effect at that time. Jesus also referred to a sheep falling into a pit on the Sabbath. To fetch the sheep would constitute violation of the law. How much more valuable is a child than a sheep? Someone thinks that in Matthew 12 Jesus was proving that a new covenant was taking root. Yet he brought up an event that happened centuries prior. Was this new covenant going to be retroactive? No. Jesus was talking about the mosaic law that was in effect at that time, and he was saying that some things are more important than the written law. In Mark 2 Jesus states that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.

    If you had known what these words mean, ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice’, you would not have condemned the innocent. He was quoting Hosea: For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings. The condition of one’s heart is more important to God than the fact that the individual meticulously follows every minute written law. If someone violates the law to save an animal, Jesus does not condemn that. How much more valuable is a child than a sheep?

    Another thing that Jesus was doing in this exchange (something he did frequently) was rebuke the Pharisees for their legalistic judgmental attitude, always ready to leap to criticize someone else for not following every jot and tittle of the law yet at the same time neglecting the greatest commandment as well as the second. Strain out a gnat yet swallow a camel. Paul wrote that each one should test his own actions. Then he can take pride in himself, without comparing himself to somebody else. He often rebuked the Pharisees for the very thing that you are doing here.

  24. IndependentConservative Says:

    Did Paul instruct Christians to respect Roman laws, including immigration laws regarding who entered their gates, yes or no?

    Which of man’s laws did Jesus break? What breakers of earthly law did the disciples tell us to provide sanctuary from arrest to?

    Which of man’s laws did Jesus say we could break in order to eat a better meal?

    Nobody is being “sacrificed” by being returned to their home country.

    You live in a nation that gives plenty to immigrants every year. Sorry, we can’t save them all and plenty are being helped via legal means. If you wish to cater to those who BREAK the law, that is your option.

    MOST MEXICANS are surviving IN MEXICO. Yet you continue making excuses for those who CHOOSE to break the law.

    If one of their sheep crosses into the USA illegally, I’m sure our US Border Patrol is more than willing to allow a Mexican to get the sheep and return with it back to Mexico.

    We have had this discussion for weeks now. It will end here. Comments to this thread are now closed.

    Thank you for proving that when presented with sound scripture, some folks will always attempt to retrofit Gospel into secular humanism.

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