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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2006/11/16/creflo_dollar/comment-page-1/#comment-11564</link>
		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 19:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J_R,

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Jesus came so that we could have life and have it more abundantly.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In that you are correct, and that abundance can&#039;t be measured because it&#039;s the gift of eternal life, not money.  Or how do you explain the fact, that the people Jesus said that to, who followed Him, were the biggest homeless spectacles for the world, unlike Creflo Augustus Dollar Junior&#039;s material status, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=53&amp;chapter=4&amp;version=49&amp;context=chapter&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;1 Corinthians 4&lt;/a&gt;?  Is Creflo greater than the Apostles of the Lord Jesus?  

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 A more abundant life would be a life of having plenty.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=61&amp;chapter=6&amp;version=49&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;1 Timothy 6&lt;/a&gt; refutes that the reward to expect is material wealth.  In that scripture, even those who are rich are told not to see any certainty in material wealth.  You&#039;re promoting a false gospel of certain material riches for Christians.  You are well described in verse 5 there.

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If you will read the Holy Bible, the Father God says that He will give His children â€œblessings that they can not containâ€ . Do all Christians have blessings that they can not contain?â€¦.. NO. Is that Godâ€™s decision? ..NO.
Itâ€™s up to the Christian to â€œbelieveâ€ Godâ€™s word. When the Christian believes Godâ€™s word, that is Faith. When the christian â€œactsâ€ on their faith, then that is what Moves the hand of God.. it allows God to do what He said He would do. Creflo Dollar is a prime example of a man who loves, obeys, and believes God. He has spent time in Godâ€™s word and in Godâ€™s presence and he has grasped hold of the blessings that God has for His children. Itâ€™s available to all of Godâ€™s children.
â€¦and not just prosperity in the realm of money.. but also for devine healing/health, Peace of mind, and any area of your life that you need God.
Why is it that it makes people angry to see a person blessed by God? ..or in this case an entire church. Obviously the prosperity message being preached by Creflo to his church is working.. the church is obviously prospering if they are able to give the amount of money they give. I Thank God for His provision from poverty.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So J_R, can you explain for us how the early church in the presence of the Apostles who had physically walked with Jesus and saw the resurrected Christ, was in a state of poverty?  With all their gifts of REAL tongues and the miracles they saw, why were they &lt;em&gt;(&quot;they&quot; being those who believed in Jesus)&lt;/em&gt; facing stark famine in Jerusalem?  Which church in the Bible is shown to have had masses of material wealth?  Which church in the Bible mirrors the assembly of Creflo?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J_R,</p>
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Jesus came so that we could have life and have it more abundantly.</p></blockquote>
<p>In that you are correct, and that abundance can&#8217;t be measured because it&#8217;s the gift of eternal life, not money.  Or how do you explain the fact, that the people Jesus said that to, who followed Him, were the biggest homeless spectacles for the world, unlike Creflo Augustus Dollar Junior&#8217;s material status, <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=53&#038;chapter=4&#038;version=49&#038;context=chapter" rel="nofollow">1 Corinthians 4</a>?  Is Creflo greater than the Apostles of the Lord Jesus?  </p>
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 A more abundant life would be a life of having plenty.</p></blockquote>
<p>And <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=61&#038;chapter=6&#038;version=49" rel="nofollow">1 Timothy 6</a> refutes that the reward to expect is material wealth.  In that scripture, even those who are rich are told not to see any certainty in material wealth.  You&#8217;re promoting a false gospel of certain material riches for Christians.  You are well described in verse 5 there.</p>
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If you will read the Holy Bible, the Father God says that He will give His children â€œblessings that they can not containâ€ . Do all Christians have blessings that they can not contain?â€¦.. NO. Is that Godâ€™s decision? ..NO.<br />
Itâ€™s up to the Christian to â€œbelieveâ€ Godâ€™s word. When the Christian believes Godâ€™s word, that is Faith. When the christian â€œactsâ€ on their faith, then that is what Moves the hand of God.. it allows God to do what He said He would do. Creflo Dollar is a prime example of a man who loves, obeys, and believes God. He has spent time in Godâ€™s word and in Godâ€™s presence and he has grasped hold of the blessings that God has for His children. Itâ€™s available to all of Godâ€™s children.<br />
â€¦and not just prosperity in the realm of money.. but also for devine healing/health, Peace of mind, and any area of your life that you need God.<br />
Why is it that it makes people angry to see a person blessed by God? ..or in this case an entire church. Obviously the prosperity message being preached by Creflo to his church is working.. the church is obviously prospering if they are able to give the amount of money they give. I Thank God for His provision from poverty.
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<p>So J_R, can you explain for us how the early church in the presence of the Apostles who had physically walked with Jesus and saw the resurrected Christ, was in a state of poverty?  With all their gifts of REAL tongues and the miracles they saw, why were they <em>(&#8220;they&#8221; being those who believed in Jesus)</em> facing stark famine in Jerusalem?  Which church in the Bible is shown to have had masses of material wealth?  Which church in the Bible mirrors the assembly of Creflo?</p>
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		<title>By: J_R</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2006/11/16/creflo_dollar/comment-page-1/#comment-11562</link>
		<dc:creator>J_R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 17:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesus came so that we could have life and have it more abundantly.    A more abundant life would be a life of having plenty.    If you will read the Holy Bible, the Father God says that He will give His children &quot;blessings that they can not contain&quot; .  Do all Christians have blessings that they can not contain?..... NO.   Is that God&#039;s decision? ..NO.
 It&#039;s up to the Christian to &quot;believe&quot; God&#039;s word.  When the Christian believes God&#039;s word, that is Faith.  When the christian &quot;acts&quot; on their faith, then that is what Moves the hand of God.. it allows God to do what He said He would do.    Creflo Dollar is a prime example of a man who loves, obeys, and believes God.  He has spent time in God&#039;s word and in God&#039;s presence and he has grasped hold of the blessings that God has for His children.   It&#039;s available to all of God&#039;s children.  
...and not just prosperity in the realm of money.. but also for devine healing/health, Peace of mind, and any area of your life that you need God.   
 Why is it that it makes people angry to see a person blessed by God?  ..or in this case an entire church.  Obviously the prosperity message being preached by Creflo to his church is working.. the church is obviously prospering if they are able to give the amount of money they give.   I Thank God for His provision from poverty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus came so that we could have life and have it more abundantly.    A more abundant life would be a life of having plenty.    If you will read the Holy Bible, the Father God says that He will give His children &#8220;blessings that they can not contain&#8221; .  Do all Christians have blessings that they can not contain?&#8230;.. NO.   Is that God&#8217;s decision? ..NO.<br />
 It&#8217;s up to the Christian to &#8220;believe&#8221; God&#8217;s word.  When the Christian believes God&#8217;s word, that is Faith.  When the christian &#8220;acts&#8221; on their faith, then that is what Moves the hand of God.. it allows God to do what He said He would do.    Creflo Dollar is a prime example of a man who loves, obeys, and believes God.  He has spent time in God&#8217;s word and in God&#8217;s presence and he has grasped hold of the blessings that God has for His children.   It&#8217;s available to all of God&#8217;s children.<br />
&#8230;and not just prosperity in the realm of money.. but also for devine healing/health, Peace of mind, and any area of your life that you need God.<br />
 Why is it that it makes people angry to see a person blessed by God?  ..or in this case an entire church.  Obviously the prosperity message being preached by Creflo to his church is working.. the church is obviously prospering if they are able to give the amount of money they give.   I Thank God for His provision from poverty.</p>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2006/11/16/creflo_dollar/comment-page-1/#comment-3265</link>
		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 20:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that the heretic has been banished and will no longer spread lies here.  Those who want to know the truth about this twisted lie of some folks calling themselves &quot;god&quot; can find &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-definition-god-watchtower-JW-henotheism.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;it all right here&lt;/a&gt;.

Anyone with half a lick of discernment would understand without a detailed explanation, but there it is for those who might needed it.  It speaks of how the Jehovah’s Witnesses use the lie.  The Nation of Islam uses the lie too.  And now even some people calling themselves Christians are starting to run with such lies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that the heretic has been banished and will no longer spread lies here.  Those who want to know the truth about this twisted lie of some folks calling themselves &#8220;god&#8221; can find <a href="http://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-definition-god-watchtower-JW-henotheism.htm" rel="nofollow">it all right here</a>.</p>
<p>Anyone with half a lick of discernment would understand without a detailed explanation, but there it is for those who might needed it.  It speaks of how the Jehovah’s Witnesses use the lie.  The Nation of Islam uses the lie too.  And now even some people calling themselves Christians are starting to run with such lies.</p>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2006/11/16/creflo_dollar/comment-page-1/#comment-3264</link>
		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 20:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re a freakin&#039; nut and I&#039;ve had about all I can stand of your garbage.  Like Jesus did the demons, &lt;b&gt;I&#039;m casting you out&lt;/b&gt;, of this blog!

AMEN!

You and the workers of heresy may twist the Word for profit today, but a bill is coming that your money can never pay!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re a freakin&#8217; nut and I&#8217;ve had about all I can stand of your garbage.  Like Jesus did the demons, <b>I&#8217;m casting you out</b>, of this blog!</p>
<p>AMEN!</p>
<p>You and the workers of heresy may twist the Word for profit today, but a bill is coming that your money can never pay!</p>
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		<title>By: Lion Heart</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2006/11/16/creflo_dollar/comment-page-1/#comment-3263</link>
		<dc:creator>Lion Heart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 19:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is not an explanation, you see you can&#039;t an insight into the scripture, so you mask ingorance with fruitless insult attempts, with word such as idiot and fool etc. Now I am false, have you anymore ha ha ha.
Do you realise Satan decieved Eve by telling her she will be as God to know good and evil. She and Adam were already in his image and likeness. 

Gen 3:22
22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: 

So by their disobedience mankind were already as you put it false gods. Which is the reason for psalm 82
 
Psalm 82
 1God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. 
 2How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah. 
 3Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy. 
 4Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked. 
 5They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course. 
 6I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. 
 7But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes. 
 8Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nat

So if I am false god, so are you brother. 
Furthermore, Don&#039;t you know the word is real, if you condemn one you condemn yourself too. poor fellow.

But through salvation I am reversing the effect of Adam&#039;s disobedience, and not being false god to my own selfish whims and fancies. But, Salvation leads me to become son of God, a true god, one with Yahweh, The Abraham, Issac and Jacob.
If you deny that you denying God&#039;s Word and his Kingdom. If you not with im you against HIM. Woe unto The Lord&#039;s opposition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is not an explanation, you see you can&#8217;t an insight into the scripture, so you mask ingorance with fruitless insult attempts, with word such as idiot and fool etc. Now I am false, have you anymore ha ha ha.<br />
Do you realise Satan decieved Eve by telling her she will be as God to know good and evil. She and Adam were already in his image and likeness. </p>
<p>Gen 3:22<br />
22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: </p>
<p>So by their disobedience mankind were already as you put it false gods. Which is the reason for psalm 82</p>
<p>Psalm 82<br />
 1God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.<br />
 2How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.<br />
 3Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.<br />
 4Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.<br />
 5They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.<br />
 6I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.<br />
 7But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.<br />
 8Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nat</p>
<p>So if I am false god, so are you brother.<br />
Furthermore, Don&#8217;t you know the word is real, if you condemn one you condemn yourself too. poor fellow.</p>
<p>But through salvation I am reversing the effect of Adam&#8217;s disobedience, and not being false god to my own selfish whims and fancies. But, Salvation leads me to become son of God, a true god, one with Yahweh, The Abraham, Issac and Jacob.<br />
If you deny that you denying God&#8217;s Word and his Kingdom. If you not with im you against HIM. Woe unto The Lord&#8217;s opposition.</p>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2006/11/16/creflo_dollar/comment-page-1/#comment-3262</link>
		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 18:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lion Heart, you are your own false god.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lion Heart, you are your own false god.</p>
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		<title>By: Lion Heart</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2006/11/16/creflo_dollar/comment-page-1/#comment-3261</link>
		<dc:creator>Lion Heart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 18:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have never even heard Creflo speak of this, neither do i watch TBN.
So if I am short of understanding explain to me the scripture in 
The Book of John. If we are called to be one with God, being part of God in Spirit, wouldn&#039;t we be gods?
No one said he is The GOD or God The Father, but it is written we are to be sons of God, in his image and likeness. Which is why we mmust be born. Maybe you don&#039;t believe, we are to follow Christ, and look foward to harnessing some of the power of The Holy Spirit. If you don&#039;t I do, we have more power potential than we realise or have witnessed. We are not only human.
So please with sugar on top explain to me the words in The book of John 10 then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never even heard Creflo speak of this, neither do i watch TBN.<br />
So if I am short of understanding explain to me the scripture in<br />
The Book of John. If we are called to be one with God, being part of God in Spirit, wouldn&#8217;t we be gods?<br />
No one said he is The GOD or God The Father, but it is written we are to be sons of God, in his image and likeness. Which is why we mmust be born. Maybe you don&#8217;t believe, we are to follow Christ, and look foward to harnessing some of the power of The Holy Spirit. If you don&#8217;t I do, we have more power potential than we realise or have witnessed. We are not only human.<br />
So please with sugar on top explain to me the words in The book of John 10 then.</p>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2006/11/16/creflo_dollar/comment-page-1/#comment-3259</link>
		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 18:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly I don&#039;t think of you as an idiot in the true sense of the word.  You&#039;re just a little short on understanding at the moment.  I just pray you get it right before it&#039;s too late.

Run with &quot;I am a god&quot; Creflo if you wish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly I don&#8217;t think of you as an idiot in the true sense of the word.  You&#8217;re just a little short on understanding at the moment.  I just pray you get it right before it&#8217;s too late.</p>
<p>Run with &#8220;I am a god&#8221; Creflo if you wish.</p>
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		<title>By: Lion Heart</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2006/11/16/creflo_dollar/comment-page-1/#comment-3257</link>
		<dc:creator>Lion Heart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 17:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>look up the meaning of heretic and undertand. If I am the heretic, whose brainwashing doctrine do you support.? Maybe it&#039;s The Catholic Pope.
 And Oh Keep calling men fools and idiots, ha ha ha you killing me with laughter here, poor fellow. Call a man fool then pray for him int eh same breath, you are your own contradiction. You don&#039;t know the word but talk with such conviction. So do continue to pray for us idiots ha ha ... I rather support a heretic than Satan. DO you know The Word? Do you not see and realise Christ was heretic in his day which is why the Pharisees and Scribes wanted him dead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>look up the meaning of heretic and undertand. If I am the heretic, whose brainwashing doctrine do you support.? Maybe it&#8217;s The Catholic Pope.<br />
 And Oh Keep calling men fools and idiots, ha ha ha you killing me with laughter here, poor fellow. Call a man fool then pray for him int eh same breath, you are your own contradiction. You don&#8217;t know the word but talk with such conviction. So do continue to pray for us idiots ha ha &#8230; I rather support a heretic than Satan. DO you know The Word? Do you not see and realise Christ was heretic in his day which is why the Pharisees and Scribes wanted him dead.</p>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2006/11/16/creflo_dollar/comment-page-1/#comment-3256</link>
		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 16:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Always a useful idiot around to defend the heretics that use the Lord&#039;s name to line their own pockets.

I knew some of you would not be able to resist exposing yourselves.

I have given you the truth and pray you learn to accept it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Always a useful idiot around to defend the heretics that use the Lord&#8217;s name to line their own pockets.</p>
<p>I knew some of you would not be able to resist exposing yourselves.</p>
<p>I have given you the truth and pray you learn to accept it.</p>
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