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	<title>Comments on: Europeans Learning Islam is Incompatible With the West</title>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2006/10/11/europeans_islam_incompatible/comment-page-1/#comment-2887</link>
		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 00:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t say that I agree that the moderates are the majority.  I guess it really depends on what you consider a &lt;em&gt;moderate Muslim&lt;/em&gt; to be.

&lt;strong&gt;Is an moderate Muslim:&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;1.&lt;/strong&gt; Someone who would never engage in a terrorist act?

&lt;strong&gt;2.&lt;/strong&gt; Someone who sincerely disapproves of terrorist acts?

&lt;strong&gt;3.&lt;/strong&gt; Someone who actively speaks out and works against Jihadists?

&lt;strong&gt;4.&lt;/strong&gt; Someone who actively engages the Jihadist in a theological battle?  Trying to convince them that Jihadism is wrong on Islamic grounds? 

These are the 4 categories laid out by Robert Spencer.

For me, a moderate Muslim is someone who fills all 4 of those categories.  But most Muslims have not.  Many make excuses for the murders of innocent people in Israel and don&#039;t even think it should exists as a Jewish state.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.independentconservative.com/2006/08/08/hannity_n_shoebat/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Polls and elections by Muslims often result in the endorsement of people who are radicals.&lt;/a&gt;  Even in places where radicals have not been elected to office, people like bin Laden and others are praised.

The actions of the founder of Islam, Muhammad were inherently radical.

Given what happens in the majority of Muslim nations that is supported by the masses there, I can&#039;t say most are moderates.  Killing converts to Christianity, oppressing women, endorsing slavery, hating lands near them that are not Islamic like Israel and so on....  Nope I can&#039;t say I see the majority as moderate and therefore I can&#039;t see how they are integrating well with Europe given parts of nations like France can&#039;t even be patrolled by police.

The Koran explicitly says they should subjugate or kill non-Muslims.

When is the last time the Nazi extremists blew up a plane, train or building?  I don&#039;t like Nazis at all, but they are no where close in comparison with Jihadists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t say that I agree that the moderates are the majority.  I guess it really depends on what you consider a <em>moderate Muslim</em> to be.</p>
<p><strong>Is an moderate Muslim:</strong><br />
<strong>1.</strong> Someone who would never engage in a terrorist act?</p>
<p><strong>2.</strong> Someone who sincerely disapproves of terrorist acts?</p>
<p><strong>3.</strong> Someone who actively speaks out and works against Jihadists?</p>
<p><strong>4.</strong> Someone who actively engages the Jihadist in a theological battle?  Trying to convince them that Jihadism is wrong on Islamic grounds? </p>
<p>These are the 4 categories laid out by Robert Spencer.</p>
<p>For me, a moderate Muslim is someone who fills all 4 of those categories.  But most Muslims have not.  Many make excuses for the murders of innocent people in Israel and don&#8217;t even think it should exists as a Jewish state.  <a href="http://www.independentconservative.com/2006/08/08/hannity_n_shoebat/" rel="nofollow">Polls and elections by Muslims often result in the endorsement of people who are radicals.</a>  Even in places where radicals have not been elected to office, people like bin Laden and others are praised.</p>
<p>The actions of the founder of Islam, Muhammad were inherently radical.</p>
<p>Given what happens in the majority of Muslim nations that is supported by the masses there, I can&#8217;t say most are moderates.  Killing converts to Christianity, oppressing women, endorsing slavery, hating lands near them that are not Islamic like Israel and so on&#8230;.  Nope I can&#8217;t say I see the majority as moderate and therefore I can&#8217;t see how they are integrating well with Europe given parts of nations like France can&#8217;t even be patrolled by police.</p>
<p>The Koran explicitly says they should subjugate or kill non-Muslims.</p>
<p>When is the last time the Nazi extremists blew up a plane, train or building?  I don&#8217;t like Nazis at all, but they are no where close in comparison with Jihadists.</p>
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		<title>By: dsfds</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2006/10/11/europeans_islam_incompatible/comment-page-1/#comment-2883</link>
		<dc:creator>dsfds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Oct 2006 23:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luckyly, muslim extremists are a vast minority. The majority of arabs integrate well in Europe, but there is no need to speak of those. European also have the problem of nazi extremists that are as much of a problem. And I do not believe either extremism is better</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luckyly, muslim extremists are a vast minority. The majority of arabs integrate well in Europe, but there is no need to speak of those. European also have the problem of nazi extremists that are as much of a problem. And I do not believe either extremism is better</p>
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